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Here, here what Gornall said.

If they do fail their leadership from said wounds and have to fall back but can not, because there is no way to disembark from a perfectly good vehicle during the shooting phase, then would they fall under the rules for being traped which would see the unit destroyed?

Gornall wrote:BTW, Yakface, since you seem to favor it affecting units in transports, do you plan on addressing those issues?

INAT has already ruled that units inside transports never have to take Morale tests.

The DoM has 83.333 percent chance of being in range to leech when you spod it in a spore with a diameter equal to 4" assuming the average scatter on 2d6 is 7" since the super Zoie can disembark up to 2" away from the base of the spod:

7" - 2" - 2" = 3"

Thus the spore can scatter back up to 10" (10/12 = 83.333%) and the DoM is still within 6" range of the enemy battleline.

Odds of failing the leadership test on 3d6 and wounds allocated:

3d6 on average is 9 - 12, let's assume a combined roll of 11:

Ld10 - 11 = 1 wound
Ld09 - 11 = 2 wounds
Ld08 - 11 = 3 wounds
Ld07 - 11 = 4 wounds

The rule says every non vehicle unit within 6" must test so I do think this includes embarked units and this was probably the intention.

The best way to counter this power is to keep your units spread out and to me it's not that big a deal. DoM might be able to rock you with one S8 AP1 blast the turn he drops if he is in range of one Ld7 unit. It's your own fault if you clump your units closer together.

I noticed that the word wounds is capitalized under the description of the Cataclysm power... You rules lawyers might be able to figure out how to have some fun with that one.

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Gornall wrote:Yeah... my problem with Doom is the whole "what happens next aspect". TBH, if it affects units in transports that's fine. But then do you get cover saves? And then if you lose too many guys and fail your leadership, what happens? It's just a mess. Can't wait for the FAQ.

By the cover save rules, you can't claim cover against the Doom of Malantai.

The question of breaking a unit in a transport isn't new - it's been possible for some time, but has never been addressed. Template weapons fired into buildings have the same effect, as can plasma weaponry inside a transport, or small unit with an attached psyker.

While checking how to handle it, I noticed there's nothing preventing a unit that's falling back hopping into a transport, provided their fall back roll stops them within embarkation range.

forkbanger wrote:While checking how to handle it, I noticed there's nothing preventing a unit that's falling back hopping into a transport, provided their fall back roll stops them within embarkation range.

That one's been debated before, with opinions divided. Some feel that it's perfectly legal (although returns you to the question of what happens next turn...) whilst others feel that as the Fall Back replaces your normal movement, a unit is restricted to only doing those things that the Fall Back rules specifically state that they can do. Which doesn't include embarking into a transport.

I like how the INAT FAQ addresses fallback whilst inside a transport, it doesn't happen.

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Hey guys I am still new here and don't know the terminology much, what is INAT please.

INAT FAQ is the Adepticon guy's FAQ. We use it in ATL for our tourneys. Some other places use it. You can download it for free after a quick google search if you like.

I saw a Nid player gloating about this. He was up against a SM player with a gunline list. All game long "wait till the DOOOM! gets here". It finally showed up. Mystics pointed to a Dev squad, missile launchers ended it (though that occasioned another round of the Spod vs. Mystics debate). Just thought I'd share an anecdote.

Here is one anecdote of mine. Doom Pods in right behind a Grey Hunter unit that has a Rune Priest and a WGT with CML in it.

Tries to Spirit Leech, I pass the Ld Test. Tries to Cataclysm, my Rune Staff nullifies it. Next turn, tries to Leech again, I roll a 9 on 3D6. Then, I fire 8 Bolters, 2 Plasma Guns, a Storm Bolter, 2 Krak Missiles and Living Lightning (which I passed by rolling a 7 on 3D6). The end result was one very dead Doom of Malan'tai and one dead Grey Hunter.

Yes, I killed more of my own men with Plasma Overheats than the Doom Killed.

Its not like it's not going to do some damage some of the time. I've seen people roll 3+ like crazy.

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Green Blow Fly wrote:Its not like it's not going to do some damage some of the time. I've seen people roll 3+ like crazy.

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Like that one game my wolf guard battle leader made 26 out of 27 3+ invul saves over the course of 7 rounds of combat at that doubles tournament.

40kenthusiast wrote:Mystics pointed to a Dev squad, missile launchers ended it (though that occasioned another round of the Spod vs. Mystics debate)

Isn't it clearly spelled out in the DH FAQ that you can choose whether to shoot at a Pod or the Unit inside of it?

Monster Rain wrote:Isn't it clearly spelled out in the DH FAQ that you can choose whether to shoot at a Pod or the Unit inside of it?

The DH FAQ specifically addresses Drop Pods. Whilst it can be extrapolated to apply to other Deep Striking vehicles, the Mycetic Spore is not a vehicle, so some feel that the Mystic ruling doesn't apply.

Personally, it comes to the exact same situation, so it's good enough for me... but YMMV.

Not like it's hard to avoid the mystic's range... unless someone literally has their army climbing on top of each other. At which point they have other problems.

If you're avoiding the Mystics' range you are also too far away to use the DoM so the advantage goes to the Imperial Player anyway.

In a mech army it's pretty easy to have the Mystics placed to provide coverage to your whole force.

Just thinking about all the other game mechanics that get affected by DoM affecting units in transports I think the ruling will come down very easy,

"Spirit Leech is considered a psychic attack which does not require a psychic test."

That will come in line with the FAQ of psychic attacks not affecting embarked units and prevent GW devs from having to address a plethora of other issues that would result of allowing it to affect embarked units.

So vibro cannons can hit transports and the units in them now? Cool.

Edit: Nevermind read the rest of the thread

A Rune Priest can only use some of his powers if he has a fire point, a "hatch" that can be opened to call to the spirits of the great wolf, "wind spirits" and "wolf spirits" If they cant hear my "spirit" unless my heads stuck out the Rhino then I'll be surprised if Spirit Leech can suddenly suck it out regardless.

Sure the spirits can hear you, it's just the difficult concept of left and right, so you need to point out who thery are going to attack ;-)