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Alright firstly the comments made here are horrible! jesus the guy just tried to make a model your all acting like hes committed a capital crime.

To the op i wouldnt have used the toy I would have used components the cog bits work really well with something admechy so a Dreadnought kit the cogs strategically placed in the joints and rivets would have made for a interesting archaic machine.

Your painting NEEDS to improve seriously just take more time and more effort and then you should get it just right.

DeathGod wrote:

I game and hobby with some of the best in America (I sit at my FLGS's paint bar with 4 Golden Demon winners, Brian Shaw and Matt Sterbenz being the two heavy guns), not to mention that the store's owner is a former LA Bunker Manager.

Is it hard to concentrate on painting with these guys? With all the screaming fans, the underpants being flung at them, and the paparazzi, and what not?

I'd wager that less then one person in 100,000 even knows what a "Golden Demon" is.

Yea but remember they sit next to these guys and their grandous ideals rub off onto them its like "Please hobbygod! lend me some of your awesomenesssesss"

I have honestly never seen a guy get laid into so much as this poor SOB has.

Deathgod one piece of advice dont argue with a MOD.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

DeathGod wrote:Am I a hobby snob? Admittedly. I game and hobby with some of the best in America (I sit at my FLGS's paint bar with 4 Golden Demon winners, Brian Shaw and Matt Sterbenz being the two heavy guns), not to mention that the store's owner is a former LA Bunker Manager.

What the feth is this?
You sit with good painters and that entitles you to be an arsehat?
Your stop owner used to run a Bunker...

So, what's that then, greatness by association?

Either that or it's that guff about having a job and how much he spends on the hobby. And if some kid can't also afford to "drop $500 dollars" on models then he should get out of the furnace, or something.

Hobby Snob?? wasnt really aware that the term even existed

In a way Im glad I dont spend too much time at the old FLGS anymore.....

Stop the madness!!! i see now that creating this thread was a mistake, honestly I don't love this model, it was a rushed project and I should have spent more time on it, while this didn't turn out that great I still like the idea of converting, and the idea of robot dinosaurs, if they still make these old zoid kits I might get a few and plan a project out, I might even ask for advice before I dive right in, and again I like constructive criticism, but I don't appreciate insults, so deathgod and the others who couldn't muster up an intelligent opinion get with the program or please don't comment on my threads anymore. I'll keep this thread in mind when I'm deciding weather of not to post something

Modquisition on.
Everyone move on now.
Lets refocus on the mini in a critical manner. If you cannot do that, do not post in this thread. This is the final warning and should be viewed as a public warning to all. posters after this open themselves to suspension. Be advised this would be an excellent way to get suspended if you so desire, whoever you are.

The Night Stalker wrote:I still like the idea of converting, and the idea of robot dinosaurs

I wasn't too fond of this particular robot dinosaur, but greatly love the idea of a Raptornaught in general. Also, this thread gave me an awesome idea for a teddy bear-PVC stompa conversion, so it wasn't all bad.

Have you considered stripping it down and starting anew on it? There are a ton of posts on her on stripping paint from minis.

Perhaps you could re-imagine the model as a daemon engine, and work from there?

Ouze wrote:

The Night Stalker wrote:I still like the idea of converting, and the idea of robot dinosaurs

I wasn't too fond of this particular robot dinosaur, but greatly love the idea of a Raptornaught in general. Also, this thread gave me an awesome idea for a teddy bear-PVC stompa conversion, so it wasn't all bad.

Have you considered stripping it down and starting anew on it? There are a ton of posts on her on stripping paint from minis.

Well I just went over to amazon and searched the zoids kits, and I'm a bit confused, they are really really expensive, I'm guessing they are pretty much all discontinued, and i'm not really sure of their scale. i got this kit a very loooong time ago, probably at a toys are us. I used to love the zoids TV show when I was in middle school, It was pretty popular back then, but its a long dead anime now. if somebody can find some cheap and to scale figs put up a link.

Personally I like the potential this still has. Needs more conversion work to 40kify it really. Still looks like what it first was.

I think it looks fine for a model that was bashed together without a clear plan. It could easily by retro-improved with a bit of greenstuffing and so on and a new paint job.

Sketching ideas is a good way of planning a conversion. Having said that I often divert from my plan and start bodging pieces as the project progresses. No plan survives contact with the enemy!

Last note -- the old Zoids are really good sources of vaguely SF mechanical bitz, though checking eBay quickly, the prices seem rather high for something you're going to saw up.

Demonslayer82 wrote:Hobby Snob?? wasnt really aware that the term even existed

I direct you to coolminiornot.com

All the evidence you need.

The Zoids can be used as some good conversion material from looking at them. They have a more mechanical appearance and would fit well with some proper attention to detail in the right places to fit with some armies. For the raptor i would think making it a bit more angled in appearance so it would give the look of armor plating would be a good start then from there add bits to compliment the army you are going to attach it to. for orks i can see Zoids working extremely well if done right.

I quite like the idea, but for me it doesn't seem 40k enough. Not that that stops people , I've seen Dune themed armies and deamon circus armies. If you took this one all the way and did 2000pts worth , filling in various troop types with dino-robots it would probably rock.

By the way I was late to this thread and I couldn't find the place to pick up my pitchfork and burning torch, sorry.

well for conversions a realy cheap suggestion:

mc donalds toys. and if that isn´t cheap enough try fleemarkets or garage sells. i constantly scan such possabilities and have a great suply from there. only down part: i am working on a sm armee and i consider this kind of conversions more related to orish armees...

also a quick scan on german ebay showed not so expensive auctions

Wow, I thought that the YMDC forum was supposed to be the heated one, but this without doubt tops any thread I've ever seen in terms of pure vitriol, and I've been privy to some pretty nasty flame-wars.

About the Raptornought... I'm going to have to agree with the majority of the posts here and say that it's definitely got promise, but the execution just needs some work. I really like the idea and can see this actually being quite cool. I also wouldn't hesitate to play against it. But yeah, with just a bit more conversion work and a new paintjob, I think it could be greatly improved.

No matter what, though, consider this: It still looks better than the GW Chaos Dreadnought. If they can get away with selling that, you have nothing to worry about.

while, I completely agree with the fact that this model is Horrid, i dont have much room to talk because i have not posted much yet. HOW ever, would suggest to the OP to try and use things, not from the toy world and use things from the modeling world. There really is a biiiiiggg difffeeernce.

Keep up the good work Night Stalker.

Personally I don't like the model but thats just me. I spend days on one mini!!! Ha.

I'd still play ya though. As long as I don't play with your mini. He stays on your team.

To the mini snobs, let people play whatever army\mini they choose. You play your own mini's and enjoy yourself!! Im happy to blow up tissue boxes disguised as ork truks with my Eldar.

The Night Stalker wrote:
Well I just went over to amazon and searched the zoids kits, and I'm a bit confused, they are really really expensive, I'm guessing they are pretty much all discontinued, and i'm not really sure of their scale. i got this kit a very loooong time ago, probably at a toys are us. I used to love the zoids TV show when I was in middle school, It was pretty popular back then, but its a long dead anime now. if somebody can find some cheap and to scale figs put up a link.

Ok I've been lurking on this for a few days now. I've got some things to say to you Mr. Night Stalker.
Firstly, Zoids FREAKING RULE! Well done for taking something that's already awesome and thinking of a way to do something even awesomer with it! Props to you!
Secondly, does the mechanism still work? How awesome would it be to have that bad boy stomping around the battlefield!!?

So we've established that quite a lot of people on forums and the internet in general feel empowered by their anonymity (sp?) and sometimes go a but far with the criticism. I for one commend your idea; it's aces. Robots + Dinosaurs + 40k = Epic Awesome.

In regards to your comment on Zoids kits; the original run of Zoids was in the mid 80s - this became known as the OAR (Original American Release) - in Europe and Japan it was OER and OJR (do the math )
These kits are going to be quite expensive these days as they are collector's.
Since then they were all rereleased as Zoids2, and then again several times into what became known as the NAR (New American Release) and other territories respectively. There have been literally five or six "versions" of each Zoid toy released, each under new and exciting brand names. Seeing as you're going to be converting these up, try and find some of the more recent kits. You can grab a few incomplete etc kits on eBay or somewhere similar for pretty cheap.

There was a brief period where Zoids went a but crap (about 5 years ago I think), and now we're getting these even newer kits, called MMK (I think) which is Master Model Kits. These are new sculpts of the old designs, similar to the way GW and others do things (New Leman Russ kit for instance, or Classic Transformers). These are rather expensive, but then they are also rather brilliant.

I would love to see a Zoids-themed army; such a cool idea. I hope my information serves as a slight help to you, and not a hindrance. If you're ever confused about several Zoids with the same name, all being sold under different prices, just get the cheapest one. The build quality and model will be comparable no matter which one you buy, don't pay out for a toy you're going to convert up and paint yourself.

As an afterthought, have you seen those spiky trophy racks you get on Chaos vehicles, termies and dreads? Some of those glued on somewhere would be wicked-bad.
Keep up the good work dude, don't pay attention to the haters.

Yes, the zoids are variable in price because some of them are in original packaging. If you look for the later re-releases by toy companies like Tomy they are considerably cheaper.

Yes! I like all the feedback so far, I think I am going to continue work on this mini since it can definitely be greatly improved, I'm thinking about adding some angular armor plating, kind of like I did on the warthog thing, I was thinking about using mat board for the armor plates but I might hold off a bit until after Easter, because with the money I hope I get I'm going to get a shadow sword superheavy tank, and I'm really eager to see what leftover bits I can collect from that kit.

I still have questions though, tell me what you think of these ideas.

-Definitely need to fix the paint job, probably going to take more time, apply a more even coat of ink.
-i'm going to stick with the TL lascannon, however should i remove those green wires or keep them attached.
- I like the CC claw weapon, but I will listen to suggestions on improving it
- i'm not really sure how to address that huge space on the back of the model, and where should the armor plates go?

@ Howard A Treesong: preach on brother, my first convertion was for gak but dam if I wasn't proud of it

@Night Stalker: Dude, keep up the good work, I'll definetly play against it and remember, what does not kill you, makes you stronger, (except if you play against my Blood Angels, melta to the face lol)

Wait, I have another question, should i repaint the Lascannon blue to match the majority of the fig, leave it silver, or paint it some other color?

my opinion: keep the green wires. they get the look away from an organic kind of vehicle to a monterous machine thats constructed by technicans. it is debateble if they should stay green or if you should think about the entire colour scheme anew...

as for your lighnings search for tutorials of how to make lighning, cause when done right they are way cool and i think they would then fit the overall appeareance of your figur quite good.

i am looking forward for new pixs of your promising development.

The Night Stalker wrote:

-Definitely need to fix the paint job, probably going to take more time, apply a more even coat of ink.
-i'm going to stick with the TL lascannon, however should i remove those green wires or keep them attached.
- I like the CC claw weapon, but I will listen to suggestions on improving it
- i'm not really sure how to address that huge space on the back of the model, and where should the armor plates go?

Firstly like some of the people in here, Im not a huge fan of the model, but I see the potential for it to be much much better.

-I'd definitely recommend thinning your paints, it can be difficult and time consuming I know, I'm still trying to get completely used to it myself. The bases paints through me off, but It was pointed out to me by my local redshirt that for every three parts paint use two parts water or if thats too "bubbly" use two parts pant one part water. Seems to work so far.

-Keep the wire, but maybe put a little more detail into it, like the things holding it in place. But over all I think due to the Raptor's size maybe replacing it with auto-cannons and changing it to be a Defiler would work better, that could also help fix the issue you have with the empty space.

-If its a dread, well I don't know what to tell you about that, but if it were a Defiler you could fill that void with a Battle Cannon and it housing, maybe also create an ammunition feed as well.

The Night Stalker wrote:Wait, I have another question, should i repaint the Lascannon blue to match the majority of the fig, leave it silver, or paint it some other color?

Silver would be best as it is supposed to be Night Lords and most Night Lord Weapons are a silvery color.

corpsesarefun wrote:God i totally agree, i mean whats next? some slow sticking plasticard on a mr potato head and calling it a stompa?

I agree with this - it's a rushed job. And I'm not against using models. I, for example, have made a Great Knarloc for my Kroot using an old Jurassic Park Velociraptor toy - but it's taken massive amounts of work to disguise it. I don't like lazy conversions and would rather not play against them - with the following stipulation.

If an Ork player had converted Mr Stompa Heads, I'd happily play him. That is all.

I agree the lightning needs to be redone, I can do nice looking lightning, I just quickly rushed it this time.

I actually might go and buy new paints before I continue work.

good input so far

one other suggestion: try to keep the shine down. i dont think you tried to achieve a shiny army or did you? i am as well in the process of getting rid of the shine by my own models...

since i have a small budget i cant afford to have the über sprays that fix it instantly...

well that shine is a product of an inkwash and a really annoying camera flash. in RL the model is not that shiny and certainly not that blotchy.

here is another pic with the flash off, its a much darker color with less blotches. I'm going to redo the lightning soon

Edit: http://www.coolminiornot.com/store/section.php?xSec=80&xPage=1&jssCart=7efe324269130850ccc64e282c4ad329

what are the scales on these, I love them