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This is pretty much the first big conversion i have ever attempted, it ended with a bit of success but there is still some major room for improvement. i found an old Zoids figure a few days ago, and instead of throwing it out i decided to do something a bit creative with it, so with some amature skill and grace it became Raptornought. its actually a legal dread, and i can use it at my local store, it sports a CC weapon with an integrated twin linked bolter, and a twin linked lascannon on the other arm. so here check it out

Very Nice!!

That looks like a Zoid with some 40k parts hastily glued to it, then painted with gloss blue. As much as I love dinosaur robots and inventive dreadnought conversions, I'm not a fan.

Burn it with fire.

Yeah sorry for sounding harsh but I really don't like it. It's just a plastic toy with some 40k parts hastily glued on.

Valk

Not for me, I'm afraid....

Sorry, I just don't like it. The assembly is rushed, the painting's rushed, and it doesn't even look like you used primer. It just looks really, really cheap, above all else.

In all honesty, I just hate the idea in general, but if you're going to try with something like this, you need to sit down and take your time. Plan out where you're going to place your parts, how your going to place them, what parts you'll need to scratch build. When you're painting, for the love of god, prime it, then just take your time to use thin coats, and finally wash it. It just looks hastily slapped together with no sense of direction.

Thats a bit harsh guys. looks okay to me.

Harsh or not, I'm with those guys.

Okay then,i've seen a lot worse paint jobs. dont be put off mate.

Wait a second is that a zoid toy i see used as a base?

Boy Oh boy the worlds really starting to change

While I agree the paint job could use some work, I think the concept is just fine.

This "model" represents everythign that is wrong with our hobby.

If that "model" was placed on the table during a friendly game at my FLGS, I'd simply pack my miniatures up and walk away, without another word.

If that "model" was placed on the table during a tournament, I'd walk right over to the organizer and inform him that my opponent just chose to forfeit.

I didn't drop $500 dollars and spend months painstakingly building and painting my army to have someone mock me and my hobby by gluing a lascannon to a toddler toy and dropping it in a bucket of Testers.

What's next? Glue a couple of PVC pipes to my little sister's old care bear teddy bear and call it a stompa?

DeathGod wrote:This "model" represents everythign that is wrong with our hobby.

If that "model" was placed on the table during a friendly game at my FLGS, I'd simply pack my miniatures up and walk away, without another word.

If that "model" was placed on the table during a tournament, I'd walk right over to the organizer and inform him that my opponent just chose to forfeit.

I didn't drop $500 dollars and spend months painstakingly building and painting my army to have someone mock me and my hobby by gluing a lascannon to a toddler toy and dropping it in a bucket of Testers.

What's next? Glue a couple of PVC pipes to my little sister's old care bear teddy bear and call it a stompa?

God i totally agree, i mean whats next? some slow sticking plasticard on a mr potato head and calling it a stompa?

My psychic visions are telling me that this is going to degenerate into a "what's next" thread where all of us hobby snobs try to one up each other with our fears for the gaming table...

As for me, and this is God's honest truth, I honestly did exactly what I was describing against an ork player a couple months ago. He had two kleenex boxes he cut in half, glued ork tires he got from... someone... to the sides and called them trukks. Not to mention his lego battlewagon.

DeathGod wrote:My psychic visions are telling me that this is going to degenerate into a "what's next" thread where all of us hobby snobs try to one up each other with our fears for the gaming table...

As for me, and this is God's honest truth, I honestly did exactly what I was describing against an ork player a couple months ago. He had two kleenex boxes he cut in half, glued ork tires he got from... someone... to the sides and called them trukks. Not to mention his lego battlewagon.

My statement was sarcasm, someone DID make a mr potato head stompa and it was fething awesome.

God, that model is awesome.

But that's not what I was talking about, and I think you know it.

Whoever made that stompa took their time and devoted much love and effort into making it amazing. He definately did NOT "stick plasticard on it and call it a stompa."

The Night Stalker wrote:This is pretty much the first big conversion i have ever attempted, it ended with a bit of success but there is still some major room for improvement.

The OP introduced the project as his first conversion, and went so far as to add the caveat that there is room for improvement.

@The Night Stalker: I like it. Don't be discouraged. For a first attempt this is very good. There are lessons to take away, like using the right glue carefully and sparingly, thinning your paints with a drop or two of water, or more thorough integration of GW bits. The scale matches up well, and the model represents a DCCW and TL-Las nicely. Everybody is going to have their opinion, and they're entitled to them. In the end, yours is the only one that matters. Do you like the finished product? Then slap it on a table and roll some dice! If somebody won't play against you because of one (painted!) dread counts-as, then shrug it off and find somebody else who will.

For what it's worth, this is miles better than a lot of other "conversions" that sometimes crop up at the FLGS. Coke can drop pods, shoebox battlewagons, pill bottle carnifexes, many without a lick of paint on them.

Keep building, keep experimenting, keep trying new things. It's the fastest way to improve your skills.

I agree with teek, the OP clearly has an eye for conversion even if he does not yet have the experience and skill level to produce something like the stompa I linked.

Give it time and I assure you that you will get better quite quickly.

Oh and teek if your still looking around I would be interested to see if i fit into your "crappy ork converter" category my conversions are in my p&m blog

I think it is a great conversion, you show a good eye for conversions. Anyone who would "pack up and leave" if you tried to play with it clearly has some larger issues with their obsession over toy soldiers.

One thing I would have done differently would be to not have the raptor claw on the side with the lascannons. Instead using the claws on the other arm, or just save them for something else later. I also think the placement of the twin linked bolter could be a bit better, as it is Raptornaught looks like he might smash his bolter when he smashes into something squishy.

You might also want to pick out those shoulderpad spikes with something either silver (to match with the lascannons) or something like that. You did a lot of work to put the spikes there, now you just need them to be visible!

Mmm, and finally, the feets look like they just blend right into the base.

But like I said, its a really cool conversion. It looks fun and I'd be willing to fight it on the tabletop.

Im sorry, but i wouldnt play with that. Also, I highly doubt that that model is legal in tournements, becuase Its majority of pieces is not games workshop/ forge world made. Lastly, if you do use that model, its not legal to have anymore dreadnaughts unless they look almost exactly like that one.

Jollydevil wrote:Im sorry, but i wouldnt play with that. Also, I highly doubt that that model is legal in tournements, becuase Its majority of pieces is not games workshop/ forge world made. Lastly, if you do use that model, its not legal to have anymore dreadnaughts unless they look almost exactly like that one.

That is not true at all.
Talk to Ork players about scratchbuilt and convered pieces and you will find that quite often one truck/dread/Killakan/BW/etc look NOTHING like the others...that is kinda the point of scratchbuilding and cenverting

Do I like this model? Not really...in fact, not at all.
Will I discourage new builders from experimenting? Certainly not!
Keep experimenting until you get models that your opponents will love to play against. Remember the "rule of cool" - if it looks cool , it will most likely be "legal" at any game store

It was a good idea, but I think the simplistic style of the zoids line offsets it with the ornate detail normally found on miniatures, especially space marines (and ESPECIALLY dreadnoughts). If I were you, I'd probably add some more imagery and such to make it more space marine-ish. As for the paintjob, darker colours would probably work better for this sort of thing. As it already looks very cartoonish, a grittier paint job will tether more into the realm of 40K, and not Zoids.

DeathGod wrote:This "model" represents everythign that is wrong with our hobby.

If that "model" was placed on the table during a friendly game at my FLGS, I'd simply pack my miniatures up and walk away, without another word.

If that "model" was placed on the table during a tournament, I'd walk right over to the organizer and inform him that my opponent just chose to forfeit.

I didn't drop $500 dollars and spend months painstakingly building and painting my army to have someone mock me and my hobby by gluing a lascannon to a toddler toy and dropping it in a bucket of Testers.

What's next? Glue a couple of PVC pipes to my little sister's old care bear teddy bear and call it a stompa?

I agree with Deathgod in sentiment, just not in degree. When one is being unnecessarily rude, you need to take it to the next level.

If that "so-called model" was placed on the table during a game at my FLGS, I'd simply leave, come back with a can of gasoline, and burn it down with everyone inside, while swallowing a delicious punch made of lemonade, clorox, and broken glass. Taking toys and converting them is the CANCER that is killing our hobby, which is 100% serious business.

ok, all joking aside, it's a good start, but you could definitely use better integration of the bits, priming before you assemble, and what the other people said.

Nuwisha wrote:Anyone who would "pack up and leave" if you tried to play with it clearly has some larger issues with their obsession over toy soldiers.

QFT

I mean, This is still play of toy soldiers. We can call it super uber pro hobby to make ourselves a bitt less geeky, bu the sad truth is, that this weekend my toy tanks will be driving around toy buildings trying to shoot toy aliens. If I'd play with OP, I think my only reaction would be "o wow, raptor dreadnougt", and I would spend next few hours trying to kill it.

corpsesarefun wrote:

DeathGod wrote:My psychic visions are telling me that this is going to degenerate into a "what's next" thread where all of us hobby snobs try to one up each other with our fears for the gaming table...

As for me, and this is God's honest truth, I honestly did exactly what I was describing against an ork player a couple months ago. He had two kleenex boxes he cut in half, glued ork tires he got from... someone... to the sides and called them trukks. Not to mention his lego battlewagon.

My statement was sarcasm, someone DID make a mr potato head stompa and it was fething awesome.

This example of the Mr. Potato head conversion shows a good example of a bit of experimenting.

The raptornaught is a good idea. though as has been mentioned take more time over this. Think clearly what army you are hoping to put it in and look at adding more bits that complement it.
Don't be discouraged. ignore the people who have merely slagged this off, and take those who are offering sincere criticism as a means of improving for the next one.

P.S. always prime please

i think that some people have truly lost contact to civilization due to their time consuming hobby.
otherwise i can´t understand such harsh criticism. the overall paint scheme is recognizable when compared to his gallery pix and fits right in.

for my it looks either that the op is of younger age or has very little time for his hobby, but wants to field models to play at a table. concerning playing against a a converted dreadnought like this: absolutly yes!
for me it looks good, and also i am far away to judge paintjobs as i am on my way to field such a cool wip fig.

well i think it shuld count as wip because it has enough room to develop and that also my own models are constantly developing in fashion is always romm to better one self in pinting and gaming.

i say have fun and read the constructive critics and try and play further

Jollydevil wrote:I highly doubt that that model is legal in tournements, becuase Its majority of pieces is not games workshop/ forge world made.

Who cares?

Lastly, if you do use that model, its not legal to have anymore dreadnaughts unless they look almost exactly like that one.

Say who?

DeathGod wrote:This "model" represents everythign that is wrong with our hobby.

If that "model" was placed on the table during a friendly game at my FLGS, I'd simply pack my miniatures up and walk away, without another word.

If that "model" was placed on the table during a tournament, I'd walk right over to the organizer and inform him that my opponent just chose to forfeit.

I didn't drop $500 dollars and spend months painstakingly building and painting my army to have someone mock me and my hobby by gluing a lascannon to a toddler toy and dropping it in a bucket of Testers.

What's next? Glue a couple of PVC pipes to my little sister's old care bear teddy bear and call it a stompa?

How about you make the criticism constructive rather than destructive? The original poster has tried to make something different. There's a lot of things wrong with it but if making comments you could try to offer some actual advice rather than just being aggressive and ridiculing them. You may not want to play it, but I assume that you do play against high quality conversions, so perhaps you could lend them your years of experiance to tell them how to raise their game to produce things that are a sufficient tabletop standard.


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Hi, I can see you've had a go at doing something, but like others I'm going to have to say that it's not good. What you have gow it not so much as a conversion but a model with a handful of other parts stuck on from the bits box. This is exagerated by the way the raptor is mostly blue, and the other parts are different colours. The way to get conversions to work is to integrate the seperate components in a more efficient way. For instance, the raptor doesn't need the arms and the guns, it's cluttered and the bright green and silver of the gun just make it looked tacked on as an afterthought rather than because of a specific design you were working towards. The warhammer shields...you put them on because they were in your bits box yeah? When making a conversion or scratchbuild you need to think about what you want to achieve, have some kind of vision, doing things as afterthoughts is not good. Do some drawings and have a good look at the parts you want, maybe you need to wait and buy or swap to get certain things you need. Rarely will you have everything you want and that everything will go to plan during the modelling process, but the more concessions you make and corners that get cut the worse it will look eventually look, so there's a pay off. Have a look into some of the blogs and conversions topics on the forum for ideas, some of the things on here take my breath away but I will be encouraged to produce something from them. You seem like an enthusiastic young player, don't let this all put you off. I've been doing this a few years now and can assure you that everyone has produced stuff so embarassingly bad they certainly wouldn't a) admit to having even made it, and b) take photos and put it online for criticism. Look at the genuine advice given in the thread and see what you can do in your next project.

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