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Fetterkey wrote:

ph34r wrote:uhg

Alerian wrote:

Jollydevil wrote:Im sorry, but i wouldnt play with that. Also, I highly doubt that that model is legal in tournements, becuase Its majority of pieces is not games workshop/ forge world made. Lastly, if you do use that model, its not legal to have anymore dreadnaughts unless they look almost exactly like that one.

That is not true at all.
Talk to Ork players about scratchbuilt and convered pieces and you will find that quite often one truck/dread/Killakan/BW/etc look NOTHING like the others...that is kinda the point of scratchbuilding and cenverting

Do I like this model? Not really...in fact, not at all.
Will I discourage new builders from experimenting? Certainly not!
Keep experimenting until you get models that your opponents will love to play against. Remember the "rule of cool" - if it looks cool , it will most likely be "legal" at any game store

In legal terms, it is. The rules say if a model doesnt have the majority gw made pieces, it cant be fielded. Also, ALL of the same model type have to have a similar resemblence. Read the rules.

Jollydevil wrote:In legal terms, it is. The rules say if a model doesnt have the majority gw made pieces, it cant be fielded. Also, ALL of the same model type have to have a similar resemblence. Read the rules.

That's only at tournaments, and nowhere did the OP claim he was using it in tournaments. It doesn't say anything about model composition in the BRB (IIRC), nor model similarities. Not to mention, not all models have to have a similar appearance, it just makes it a hell of alot easier for your opponent to distinguish between what your proxies are. But a proxy is a proxy. For the sake of the thread, let's not try to take an inflammatory position against other members shall we? If anything, take it to PM.

Anyways, I like the idea of this model, but feel that it could have been executed better. Perhaps a meshing of this Zoid toy and a Defiler model would have made a cool conversion, but as of right now, it's a mess.

I realize. My whole piont was IF he were to try and use it in tournements. Read my whole post next time.

wow, thanks for all the flame, it was just a test conversion, it was an old toy i was just going to throw away, but decided to do something with, i know its not good, but i don't really care its a legal piece at my gaming store and everyone there was just fine with it. the paintjob is better than in the pics since those pics are terrible. but hey next time instead of using 40 posts to tell me how much I suck, why dont you all try and be a bit constructive. thanks for wasting my time

Thank you for sharing your first conversion with us, I can only apologise for those here who decided to stamp all over another gamer's first foray into kitbashing a model.

Whilst this thread has shown some of dakka's membership in a very poor light, I only hope you will continue, both to post new works and to continue to use your imagination and creativity to model new and exciting work for your hobby.

Just bear in mind that the internet teems with armchair coaches, some of them are quite young or otherwise excused for their frankly infantile and overblown criticism without merit.

Keep on trucking. Don't let em put you off future projects.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Thank you for sharing your first conversion with us, I can only apologise for those here who decided to stamp all over another gamer's first foray into kitbashing a model.

Whilst this thread has shown some of dakka's membership in a very poor light, I only hope you will continue, both to post new works and to continue to use your imagination and creativity to model new and exciting work for your hobby.

Just bear in mind that the internet teems with armchair coaches, some of them are quite young or otherwise excused for their frankly infantile and overblown criticism without merit.

Keep on trucking. Don't let em put you off future projects.

+1

CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM *is* OK.

Slagging off on someone's work to the point that it is borderline insulting, or straight up insulting?

THAT IS NOT OK.

Everyone please keep this in mind going forward.

Ignoring RULE #1 is ESPECIALLY FROWNED UPON in the Painting and Modeling sections of Dakka Dakka.

If anyone is unclear about what the rules of Dakka Dakka actually are, please click on the link in my signature.

And tread very, very carefully in the future.

Maybe a bit cartoonish, but I like it, good conversion.

I really like it. i think it would be cooler as an ork dredd, but i like it quite a bit the idea is cool, i had often thought of using old zoid figures for converting. but yeah maybe just clean it up a bit and itll be perfect.

Well, counts as Space Wolves marines called Cobalt Raptors.

Use this as the dred, use cold ones from the dark elf range as the thunderwolves. Use salamanders bits and pieces from Chapterhouse for the vehicles (dark blue instead of green) and use black ark corsairs cloaks on the marine vets or terminators.

corpsesarefun wrote:

DeathGod wrote:This "model" represents everythign that is wrong with our hobby.

If that "model" was placed on the table during a friendly game at my FLGS, I'd simply pack my miniatures up and walk away, without another word.

If that "model" was placed on the table during a tournament, I'd walk right over to the organizer and inform him that my opponent just chose to forfeit.

I didn't drop $500 dollars and spend months painstakingly building and painting my army to have someone mock me and my hobby by gluing a lascannon to a toddler toy and dropping it in a bucket of Testers.

What's next? Glue a couple of PVC pipes to my little sister's old care bear teddy bear and call it a stompa?

God i totally agree, i mean whats next? some slow sticking plasticard on a mr potato head and calling it a stompa?

Or putting marines on the backs of wolves?

On second thought a robot dinosaur is actually cooler then marines on the backs of wolves....

I like this zoid but could never think of anything to do with it.

http://zoids.wikia.com/wiki/Molga

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Thank you for sharing your first conversion with us, I can only apologise for those here who decided to stamp all over another gamer's first foray into kitbashing a model.

Whilst this thread has shown some of dakka's membership in a very poor light, I only hope you will continue, both to post new works and to continue to use your imagination and creativity to model new and exciting work for your hobby.

Just bear in mind that the internet teems with armchair coaches, some of them are quite young or otherwise excused for their frankly infantile and overblown criticism without merit.

Keep on trucking. Don't let em put you off future projects.

+3

Don't let 'em get you down. We all start somewhere and there are elitist snobs everywhere. The whole point is to try things out, learn from your mistakes (and successes) so that your work gets better and YOU HAVE FUN.

I saw the words 'raptor-nought' and dived straight in here.

Good effort. Others have given some painting and modeling advice so I'll just say that I want to see more.
(I'm eying up kids toys for conversions atm).

Firstly MGS +4 (I think that was the tally).

It's an ok conversion (believe me I've seen worse!), like the others my opinion is it just needs refinement, maybe even move the lascannons up onto the shoulders (like I think the original zoid had).

Kind of like the shields on there, creates a more smooth armour plate that blends better.

I see that the mature people have finally found this thread. thanks for what little constructive criticism came out of this thread. this was a very haphazard project, and I admit I don't really love it all that much, but I really wanted to do something with this thing instead of just throwing it out. It was deemed a legal unit at my local store, it was successfully fielded when i played yesterday and even scored a kill on an enemy dread. its a ramshackle piece but I only really started this whole interest last month, so with a little work and effort I hope I can eventually replace the not so good looking pieces with better ones. so I extend my thanks to those who posted well written, constructive comments since my last post.


here is something that came out much better i did this about a year ago, again it was an old toy, but it was executed with better materials and with alot more planning

Okay, that I like. Looks noticeably different from the base model, though I think you could have made the extra armour look a bit less bolted-on. Good job.

That is a far better conversion, and it really shows that you planned it out. Actually took me a minute to figure out it was a Warthog. Care to show more camera angles? I'd like to see the rest of it.

they are up in my gallery, camera throws a little bit too much light on the model though... there's a front and rear angle.

I think the planning really matters It took me about a week to make that warthog thing. while the raptor took about a day.

Howard A Treesong wrote:I like this zoid but could never think of anything to do with it.

http://zoids.wikia.com/wiki/Molga

before this thread i never heard of zoids...
i like them. are they also sold in germany? does someone know?
and for this caterpillar zoid: it screams nid to me. make hive tyrant from it. could be cool^^

Viktor von Domm wrote:

Howard A Treesong wrote:I like this zoid but could never think of anything to do with it.

http://zoids.wikia.com/wiki/Molga

before this thread i never heard of zoids...
i like them. are they also sold in germany? does someone know?
and for this caterpillar zoid: it screams nid to me. make hive tyrant from it. could be cool^^

They are one of those 1980s toys that has been done several times. They were clip together models with wind up bits in them that makes them walk or drive around the floor. I had the molga when I was young but lots of parts got lost over the years. But some years ago they did many of them again, so I bought another Molga. There are more being made now but they seem to have new scupltsw. They are cheap enough on eBay, take a look. Molga is about 6 inches long.

had a quick lookaround at ebay, yep can be bought.

if i ever complet my sm da then orcs and after that certainly nids with a nice zoid conversion.

thx for the help

Alpharius wrote:CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM *is* OK.

Slagging off on someone's work to the point that it is borderline insulting, or straight up insulting?

THAT IS NOT OK.

Everyone please keep this in mind going forward.

Ignoring RULE #1 is ESPECIALLY FROWNED UPON in the Painting and Modeling sections of Dakka Dakka.

If anyone is unclear about what the rules of Dakka Dakka actually are, please click on the link in my signature.

And tread very, very carefully in the future.

I totally agree , when i was reading through some of the comments in this thread i felt really bad for the creator of the thread. If it was me who had created this model i would be really upset with the comments i would have recived , yes it is not the best looking of models out there but this does not give the right for others to totally abuse CRITICISM. If this was me and i was a user of www.dakkadakka.com i would be ashamed of myself for such comments seeing as dakka dakka is such a nice community.

I however do agree that the second conversion is much better and looks as it has much more time and effort put into the modeling of it , Good job so far.

~UnDeAd~

DeathGod wrote:This "model" represents everythign that is wrong with our hobby.

If that "model" was placed on the table during a friendly game at my FLGS, I'd simply pack my miniatures up and walk away, without another word.

If that "model" was placed on the table during a tournament, I'd walk right over to the organizer and inform him that my opponent just chose to forfeit.

I didn't drop $500 dollars and spend months painstakingly building and painting my army to have someone mock me and my hobby by gluing a lascannon to a toddler toy and dropping it in a bucket of Testers.

What's next? Glue a couple of PVC pipes to my little sister's old care bear teddy bear and call it a stompa?

I agree with the 100%

Alpharius wrote:CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM *is* OK.

Slagging off on someone's work to the point that it is borderline insulting, or straight up insulting?

THAT IS NOT OK.

Everyone please keep this in mind going forward.

Ignoring RULE #1 is ESPECIALLY FROWNED UPON in the Painting and Modeling sections of Dakka Dakka.

If anyone is unclear about what the rules of Dakka Dakka actually are, please click on the link in my signature.

And tread very, very carefully in the future.

I assume this comment had me in the crosshairs... well, that or my overinflated image of my own worth makes me think it is.

I'd like to ask what, exactly, about my comment violated rule #1? And I'd like to ask you, politely to answer here instead of PM so that everyone can know the answer.

"When you see something that you find silly, rude or insulting first assume that perhaps there is more to it than you initially thought. Look at it again, keeping in mind that tone and inflection is difficult to convey in a visual format. It may be that the person is attempting a joke or is exaggerating on purpose."
Did that. I didn't see anything in the OP's post about the model being for laughs, or being in any way not serious.

"If after clarification you still disagree with the person then politely outline your points. "
I did exactly that.

"Try to avoid name-calling or even implying insults wherever possible."
I did this, too. There isn't one instance of name-calling in my post, and I certainly don't *think* I implied any insults.

I certainly offered some opinions of the hobby that were definitely prompted by the OP's post/presentation. My opinions, being my own and not fact, seeing as they are opinions, are certainly valid.

Am I a hobby snob? Admittedly. I game and hobby with some of the best in America (I sit at my FLGS's paint bar with 4 Golden Demon winners, Brian Shaw and Matt Sterbenz being the two heavy guns), not to mention that the store's owner is a former LA Bunker Manager. I work hard for my money at a regular job though, and I spend alot of time working on my models, with care and tremendous effort. I have the same opinion of the guy who glues Ork Trukk tires to a kleenex box and calls it a Trukk. Or the guy that puts a Todd McFarlaine toy on the table and calls it a titan.

If YOU don't mind kleenex box rhinos and old lego Battlewagons, more power to you and the guys you allow to use them. In my OPINION though, its a drag on the hobby. Its insulting to anyone who puts care into their modeling and/or saves money to buy a GW kit rather than gluing leftover lascannons to an old toy. Worse, when on the table at the FLGS, it propogates the negative stereotypes that surrounds our hobby. Worst, when a potential new player considering starting in the hobby sees something like that its a huge deterrant.

Really?

First of all, my post was meant to be a general warning as MANY in this thread went a bit too far.

But, you insist, so then, what about THIS:

DeathGod wrote:This "model" represents everythign that is wrong with our hobby.

If that "model" was placed on the table during a friendly game at my FLGS, I'd simply pack my miniatures up and walk away, without another word.

If that "model" was placed on the table during a tournament, I'd walk right over to the organizer and inform him that my opponent just chose to forfeit.

I didn't drop $500 dollars and spend months painstakingly building and painting my army to have someone mock me and my hobby by gluing a lascannon to a toddler toy and dropping it in a bucket of Testers.

What's next? Glue a couple of PVC pipes to my little sister's old care bear teddy bear and call it a stompa?

do you feel is not over the line?

Constructive criticism does not involve insults, bizarre extrapolations and descriptions of potential temper tantrums you might throw at some mythical tournament in which you and the OP find yourselves across the table from each other.

And remember, if you have a problem with ANYTHING a Mod does on this site, I encourage you to take it up with Yakface.

edit: Spelling!

*ahem*.. how 'bout them models then eh ?

Pfft, you're no fun

Anyway, I'm a supporter of the idea of converting old toys and things - final approval depends on execution. For example, raptornaught I'd fail, but the warthog conversion I'd pass. I think the OP should continue practising.

DeathGod wrote:Am I a hobby snob? Admittedly. I game and hobby with some of the best in America (I sit at my FLGS's paint bar with 4 Golden Demon winners, Brian Shaw and Matt Sterbenz being the two heavy guns), not to mention that the store's owner is a former LA Bunker Manager.

What the feth is this?
You sit with good painters and that entitles you to be an arsehat?
Your stop owner used to run a Bunker...

So, what's that then, greatness by association?

This thread represents the first steps of a guy learning a craft and you decided to take a dump on his cornflakes, your a poster who seems to have a 'very important opinion' on others work, yet there's nothing on your gallery here, nor any pictures in threads, not one, anywhere on this forum ever containing your work. Those of us who remember Rogue Trader can tell you that in that book, produced by games workshop, there was a grav-tank made out of a deodorant bottle, they make considerably better kits these days and given the right encouragement and productive modelling criticism, the OP's work can continue to grow.

You talk like an expert but you've not had the balls to put your own work on the forum, so you'll forgive me if I advise the OP and others here to treat your 'expert opinion' with more than a pinch of salt.