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kronks made a good point that many people arent realizing. Right now the economy is unstable and gakky so if your the CEO of GW your not gonna waste time and money to support a few die-hard fans by putting out a DE or necron codex. Sm sell the most so they get the most attention, so GW survives the ressesion and hopefully throw the DE people a bone.
GW doesnt care about fluff and whos turn it is they are just in it to make money

sc0ttfree wrote:kronks made a good point that many people arent realizing. Right now the economy is unstable and gakky so if your the CEO of GW your not gonna waste time and money to support a few die-hard fans by putting out a DE or necron codex. Sm sell the most so they get the most attention, so GW survives the ressesion and hopefully throw the DE people a bone.
GW doesnt care about fluff and whos turn it is they are just in it to make money

Well you could say that though. Peopel can start with any army they wish to , buts its this idea of marines being easy and flexable to play .If an army is updated that makes them the new hottest thing at the workshop making people want to buy them regardless of if the yare marines or not . I think if they did re do Necrons or DE kids would want to paly them. Its not a case of die hard people .A kid who had just started out complained about the Necron sets, he had started with Necrons and didnt like the fact they hadnt been updated like Sm. It isnt the old grumpy people who want change.

I do know in a recent WD Article, Jervis explains that re-launching or adding new armies is a risky business, so from the standpoint of DE and Necrons, GW might not release a new Codex due to the high amount of risk in relaunching a whole product line at once.

And even if they did do that, you'd prolly only see a re-launch like that once ever 2 years because of the logistics and as I mentioned at the start of my post, the risk.

ZeroWolf wrote:I do know in a recent WD Article, Jervis explains that re-launching or adding new armies is a risky business, so from the standpoint of DE and Necrons, GW might not release a new Codex due to the high amount of risk in relaunching a whole product line at once.

And even if they did do that, you'd prolly only see a re-launch like that once ever 2 years because of the logistics and as I mentioned at the start of my post, the risk.

It's their fault to begin with. They wouldn't be "fringe armies" if they were properly marketed in the first place. They shouldn't bother adding new armies if they don't plan on properly supporting them. Maybe (as it seems to be their current strategy) they plan on making these re-releases huge releases to finally drum up proper support for them. As I understand it, Orks weren't terribly popular until they got their latest codex, and were beforehand seen as joke army rather than a proper one.

Vhalyar wrote:Actually it's only rumored to be Phil Kelly in charge and Jervis has come out and said that the Inquisition will not be unified. Not sure where you got your information, but you're better off reading this page for something more accurate

GW also said "Its NOT Space Hulk!", so there goes any official GW credibility...

Apples and oranges. There's a difference between GW denying the existence of a product due to a marketing policy and a well-known employee at a Gamesday, where he's there to answer questions, saying that their plan was not to create a combined Inquisition.

By your logic we can assume that not a single Dark Eldar model has been sculpted, that no work has been done on the codex and that the same goes for every other army, because GW held true to their marketing policy once! This is what you are saying

Ostrakon wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:I do know in a recent WD Article, Jervis explains that re-launching or adding new armies is a risky business, so from the standpoint of DE and Necrons, GW might not release a new Codex due to the high amount of risk in relaunching a whole product line at once.

And even if they did do that, you'd prolly only see a re-launch like that once ever 2 years because of the logistics and as I mentioned at the start of my post, the risk.

It's their fault to begin with. They wouldn't be "fringe armies" if they were properly marketed in the first place. They shouldn't bother adding new armies if they don't plan on properly supporting them. Maybe (as it seems to be their current strategy) they plan on making these re-releases huge releases to finally drum up proper support for them. As I understand it, Orks weren't terribly popular until they got their latest codex, and were beforehand seen as joke army rather than a proper one.

I agree with you 100% however, that doesn't mitigate the risk of a relaunch, and I know GW brought this on themselves. But business at the end of the day is just that.. business, and if the numbers don't support it, there is little we can do to change that. Some say "vote with your wallet" I would argue against that, because if GW doesnt make money, it has no incentive to continue to make product. For the most part, those of us who play now are supporting future developement of all armies, I just think we all wish it would happen faster and in a more balanced fashion than it is currently.

ZeroWolf wrote:

Ostrakon wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:I do know in a recent WD Article, Jervis explains that re-launching or adding new armies is a risky business, so from the standpoint of DE and Necrons, GW might not release a new Codex due to the high amount of risk in relaunching a whole product line at once.

And even if they did do that, you'd prolly only see a re-launch like that once ever 2 years because of the logistics and as I mentioned at the start of my post, the risk.

It's their fault to begin with. They wouldn't be "fringe armies" if they were properly marketed in the first place. They shouldn't bother adding new armies if they don't plan on properly supporting them. Maybe (as it seems to be their current strategy) they plan on making these re-releases huge releases to finally drum up proper support for them. As I understand it, Orks weren't terribly popular until they got their latest codex, and were beforehand seen as joke army rather than a proper one.

I agree with you 100% however, that doesn't mitigate the risk of a relaunch, and I know GW brought this on themselves. But business at the end of the day is just that.. business, and if the numbers don't support it, there is little we can do to change that. Some say "vote with your wallet" I would argue against that, because if GW doesnt make money, it has no incentive to continue to make product. For the most part, those of us who play now are supporting future developement of all armies, I just think we all wish it would happen faster and in a more balanced fashion than it is currently.

I dunno though, isn't pretty much any update a "relaunch"? Space Wolves hadn't had a codex since 3E, and weren't terribly popular either, but presumably they were pretty successful.

My point is doing a half-assed "relaunch" like they did with 4E BA isn't going to move any models. I think they've learned to actively give someone a reason to buy models they otherwise wouldn't have. Hell, releasing those Kans is what got me to start playing Orks.

It's financially in their best interest to make these armies fringe no longer by releasing kickass new models and powerful codices.

The difference here is that DE will need a complete revamp. Their entire product line needs to be replaced versus BAs getting 3 or 4 new models which themselves are just minor revisions to already existing SM models.

agnosto wrote:The difference here is that DE will need a complete revamp. Their entire product line needs to be replaced versus BAs getting 3 or 4 new models which themselves are just minor revisions to already existing SM models.

Well let's see: BA got 3 new plastic kits and what, 3 new metal ICs? If we presume they're getting a sort of phased release (meaning 1-2 more spaced between other releases, I'm guessing a stormraven and a plastic furioso), I think a lot of these "high risk" armies can get away with relatively small releases.

Can DE get away with a similarly spartan release? I think 3 could cover it, especially since (unlike WH and DH) their main troops are already plastic.

Necrons can definitely get away with it. Plastic Immortals, Pariahs, and one new type of transport or walker.

WH and DH both seems like pretty hardcore releases since they almost have no plastic.

I don't even play Dark Eldar but if they don't get a re-release in the next year. I will be mad. Not because I like the whole torture-happy-dressed-up-elves as much as they fill a strategy. Dark Eldar the fast attack, high power guys who die if they trip (makes my guardsmen feel a bit better) No other army matches their speed. And since all other armies fill the other niches, if I see another **** SM codex before them, I will do something drastic.

Ostrakon wrote:Can DE get away with a similarly spartan release? I think 3 could cover it, especially since (unlike WH and DH) their main troops are already plastic.

Necrons can definitely get away with it. Plastic Immortals, Pariahs, and one new type of transport or walker.

WH and DH both seems like pretty hardcore releases since they almost have no plastic.

Keep in mind that new Grey Knights would be grade-A bitz material for other SM armies. Heads, weapons, ornaments and other miscellaneous pieces, plus the fact that few people don't consider GK Termies as one of the more impressive.

Dark Eldar can mesh with Dark Elves, just like Eldar and High Elves do, but it's still much more risky. Necrons are like you said fine with minimal improvements, though I'd wish GW would remake the Warriors... talk bare-bones (oh oh oh!).

Sisters though a dicier.

Prolly dark eldar and then Necrons although DH deserve that one more Necrons seem to have a bigger player base.

awww, come on, the tau deserve a break, they want some xeno lovin' as well

Tau got a mini re-vamp before 5th was released...I'd guess they'll be the last codex done.

Ostrakon wrote:
Can DE get away with a similarly spartan release? I think 3 could cover it, especially since (unlike WH and DH) their main troops are already plastic.

Necrons can definitely get away with it. Plastic Immortals, Pariahs, and one new type of transport or walker.

WH and DH both seems like pretty hardcore releases since they almost have no plastic.

I'm certainly not one to argue that DE or Necrons don't deserve an update. They should have a new update and new plastic models to go with it. And I'll congratulate the DE and Necron players when they get it!

I was just pointing out that for GW's persepective, the most bang for their buck, the quickest return on their investments, and the fastest way to get money in their pockets is to churn our SM codexes right now. They did the heavy lifting with the Codex: Space Marines. Now they get the periferals by updating SW, BA, and BT.

That's money they have this year to invest in Necrons/DE/Whatever next year. And GW is hurting right now. They are tightening their belts, closing problem stores for good and cutting back on store hours.

Long term vs short term gains/risks arguements asside, they think this will work for them.

I can't say for certain if what they are doing is right, but it feels right. And I hope that by year end 2011, Necrons, Eldar, DE, and Tau have all gotten some attention.

Edit: spelling and additional thought. I know I'm a BT player, but I actually like my codex the way it is and fear that my favorite vow and ability to field 6 guys with a heavy and special weapon will go away. But so be it!

Vhalyar wrote:Actually it's only rumored to be Phil Kelly in charge and Jervis has come out and said that the Inquisition will not be unified. Not sure where you got your information, but you're better off reading this page for something more accurate

Nothing Jervis says matters (he's been wrong/misleading before), and no plans are set in stone.

I would be really pleased if they release those codex in this order: Dark Eldar, Necrons, CSM.