Dead Marine's father ordered to pay protesters' legal costs

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**Cheese Elemental**

ShumaGorath wrote:Heres a better idea. Wherever Gwar! is, lets just let him stay there and annoy those people instead.

You've got a sick sense of humour, Shuma.

**Tyyr**

Given that their speech is made intentionally to incite people to violence or litigation wouldn't it fall under the fighting words provision and therefore NOT be protected speech?

**Frazzled**

It could by a creative judge. I think a better method is laws restricting protests to 500 yards from a school, mortuary, cemetary. That would lhold iup beter as a reasonable restriction.

An unreasonable person would say something else entirely though

**Marshal2Crusaders**

Seriously, I hate Westboro Baptist Church. Seriously.

**Soladrin**

Marshal2Crusaders wrote:Seriously, I hate Westboro Baptist Church. Seriously.

Things like this is why I've never had any hope in humanity as a race.

**Frazzled**

Why? We breed like rabbits and are wicked smart.

**Soladrin**

Frazzled wrote:Why? We breed like rabbits and we think we are wicked smart.

Fixed it.

**Frazzled**

You don't have to be smartest, just smarter than the guy next to ya.

**Soladrin**

How is that.. even..... relevant? Okay you confused me.

**Frazzled**

Soladrin wrote:How is that.. even..... relevant? Okay you confused me.

We don't have to be brilliant geniuses. We just have to be smarter than everything else.

**Soladrin**

Yes, but we can't ever prove how smart we are, since humans ideas of.. everything... can never be proven to be correct as it is.

**ShumaGorath**

Frazzled wrote:It could by a creative judge. I think a better method is laws restricting protests to 500 yards from a school, mortuary, cemetary. That would lhold iup beter as a reasonable restriction.

An unreasonable person would say something else entirely though

I don't know if I would phrase it in such a way. Schools themselves, especially at collegiate levels are excellent protest grounds specifically because of their large size, open areas, and political importance. Plenty of protests occur around schools. As for cemeteries, 500 yards could well be entirely too much. There are areas in this country where the prevalence of cemeteries would make the act of protesting in a population center virtually impossible. Especially when combined with the mortuary and school stipulation.

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Soladrin wrote:
Frazzled wrote:Why? We breed like rabbits and we think we are wicked smart.

Fixed it.

We've been to space.

**Frazzled**

ShumaGorath wrote:
Frazzled wrote:It could by a creative judge. I think a better method is laws restricting protests to 500 yards from a school, mortuary, cemetary. That would lhold iup beter as a reasonable restriction.

An unreasonable person would say something else entirely though

I don't know if I would phrase it in such a way. Schools themselves, especially at collegiate levels are excellent protest grounds specifically because of their large size, open areas, and political importance. Plenty of protests occur around schools. As for cemeteries, 500 yards could well be entirely too much. There are areas in this country where the prevalence of cemeteries would make the act of protesting in a population center virtually impossible. Especially when combined with the mortuary and school stipulation.

I'm thinking k-12 here. Its similar to fesderal legislation against firearms or drugs or something I forget.
500 yards works for me from a cemetary. Its kind of the point.

**Soladrin**

ShumaGorath wrote:

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Soladrin wrote:
Frazzled wrote:Why? We breed like rabbits and we think we are wicked smart.

Fixed it.

We've been to space.

Rocks are in space, doesn't make them smart.

**Fateweaver**

Well then tough on not being allowed to protest a funeral because there is nowhere to protest.

Certain grounds/locations should not be usable for protests or strikes or rallies or what not. Funeral grounds should be one. Schools such as HS's and below should be another.

College. Well, only the college students think they are too important for rallies/protests to be banned within 500 yards.

**Frazzled**

Soladrin wrote:
ShumaGorath wrote:

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Soladrin wrote:
Frazzled wrote:Why? We breed like rabbits and we think we are wicked smart.

Fixed it.

We've been to space.

Rocks are in space, doesn't make them smart.

How do you know? have you ever asked them?

**ShumaGorath**

Soladrin wrote:
ShumaGorath wrote:

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Soladrin wrote:
Frazzled wrote:Why? We breed like rabbits and we think we are wicked smart.

Fixed it.

We've been to space.

Rocks are in space, doesn't make them smart.

If that rock overcame a gravity well using a liquid fuel boosted rocket craft than its a pretty damn smart rock.

**Bran Dawri**

Soladrin wrote:Yes, but we can't ever prove how smart we are, since humans ideas of.. everything... can never be proven to be correct as it is.

Nonetheless, we's clever monkeys.

As for these turds, someone ought to pull a Blues Brothers on them next time they "protest" anywhere.
In any case, any reasonable judge should at least award the family the emotional damage claim, even if the other charges can't stick due that freedom of speech thing.

**Soladrin**

ShumaGorath wrote:
Soladrin wrote:
ShumaGorath wrote:

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Soladrin wrote:
Frazzled wrote:Why? We breed like rabbits and we think we are wicked smart.

Fixed it.

We've been to space.

Rocks are in space, doesn't make them smart.

If that rock overcame a gravity well using a liquid fuel boosted rocket craft than its a pretty damn smart rock.

My point is, the entire smart thing is based upon how we perceive it.

**Platuan4th**

Soladrin wrote:
ShumaGorath wrote:
Soladrin wrote:
ShumaGorath wrote:

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Soladrin wrote:
Frazzled wrote:Why? We breed like rabbits and we think we are wicked smart.

Fixed it.

We've been to space.

Rocks are in space, doesn't make them smart.

If that rock overcame a gravity well using a liquid fuel boosted rocket craft than its a pretty damn smart rock.

My point is, the entire smart thing is based upon how we perceive it.

Smart is a measure of how clever something is, and Humanity as a species is damn clever.

**ShumaGorath**

Soladrin wrote:
ShumaGorath wrote:
Soladrin wrote:
ShumaGorath wrote:

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Soladrin wrote:
Frazzled wrote:Why? We breed like rabbits and we think we are wicked smart.

Fixed it.

We've been to space.

Rocks are in space, doesn't make them smart.

If that rock overcame a gravity well using a liquid fuel boosted rocket craft than its a pretty damn smart rock.

My point is, the entire smart thing is based upon how we perceive it.

Yes, and you're not going to win any awards by claiming intelligence is relativistic and then comparing humans to inanimate objects that don't display anything similar to the dictionary definition of intellegence.

**Soladrin**

I'm not looking for any awards, it's just my view of humanity that we think to much of ourselves.

No need to get all uppity about it. :\

God, can't you for once try to act nice?

**Fateweaver**

I'm insulted that you think I think too much of myself.

It's not that I think I'm great. It's that others around me think I'm great.

**Soladrin**

I'm not speaking of individuals here mate

**Fateweaver**

Well, how many people do you know (other than Emos) who think to themselves "man I suck you know? I'm not really all that great so why do my fellow men and women act like humans are so great?"

We realize we are the greatest species on Earth (until one of us gets mauled by a lion or swallowed whole by a rock python) so we act upon it.

**Soladrin**

Those exceptions made me giggle...

And I know I don't think myself stupid (nor do I think myself smart) but yea. My entire point is I think the human perspective of things will eventually be proven completely wrong. It's just how I live with this world I guess.

**Fateweaver**

Well, when the damn dirty apes take over the world and make us slaves than we'll have no choice but to realize we aren't all that great. Until then.....yeah, I as a human being AM the greatest species on Earth.

**ShumaGorath**

Soladrin wrote:Those exceptions made me giggle...

And I know I don't think myself stupid (nor do I think myself smart) but yea. My entire point is I think the human perspective of things will eventually be proven completely wrong. It's just how I live with this world I guess.

Interestingly enough though, thats also incorrect relativistically as that would require an observer. To assume that rocks are smarter than people because were only smarter because we perceive ourselves that way labors under the assumption that something else perceives rocks as more intelligent and that it's viewpoint will supercede our own in correctness eventually. The thought can't be proven wrong as to prove us wrong labors under the same false ideas that you are saying don't prove us right.

**Soladrin**

ShumaGorath wrote:
Soladrin wrote:Those exceptions made me giggle...

And I know I don't think myself stupid (nor do I think myself smart) but yea. My entire point is I think the human perspective of things will eventually be proven completely wrong. It's just how I live with this world I guess.

Interestingly enough though, thats also incorrect relativistically as that would require an observer. To assume that rocks are smarter than people because were only smarter because we perceive ourselves that way labors under the assumption that something else perceives rocks as more intelligent and that it's viewpoint will supercede our own in correctness eventually. The thought can't be proven wrong as to prove us wrong labors under the same false ideas that you are saying don't prove us right.

I never said rocks were smarter then us, that was just a joke. Rest of it is pretty much right though. And yea I believe in Aliens, (no not in the media's UFO and alien stories out there) but it's impossible for us to be the only species in something so vast as the universe. I'm not saying we are being observed, but that I think that there are things that are way beyond us, and from that viewpoint we aren't all that special. All in all, it's just a personal weird ass view of things. ^^

**Kilkrazy**

Anyway I've been spaced out so there.

You can't ban protest within x distance of a school because it would prevent schoolchildren from protesting. Their right to free speech has already been upheld in some decision about a T shirt.