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You know sersi as usual I have to give it toyou as this is freaking SWEET!!

CadianXV wrote:Great work, but have to say I'm not a big fan of the lance. Its very GrimDark, and in keeping with the Black Templar 'look', but IMO it appears... off somehow.
Perhaps its just the pose, but I think it needs some work.

My thought on the lance is, well Grey Knights have pole axes and are somehow still effective. That, and the lance can also serve as a type of banner. Besides, nothing tops impaling some Xeno scum and mounting upright as a warning for all see.

Technically, Grey Knights use halberds, and in close combat they are actually effective fighting weapons (ancient China is where you look for those). Lances on the other hand are really one shot weapons (obviously Britain, France, Spain, etc..). Spears are good but they have a tendency to get caught in people and break, and they aren't very Templar friendly I don't think.

Anyway... I vote one of the guys should have a big pair of brass knuckles.

Good work, keep it up.

Grey Knight Luke wrote:Technically, Grey Knights use halberds, and in close combat they are actually effective fighting weapons (ancient China is where you look for those). Lances on the other hand are really one shot weapons (obviously Britain, France, Spain, etc..). Spears are good but they have a tendency to get caught in people and break, and they aren't very Templar friendly I don't think.

Anyway... I vote one of the guys should have a big pair of brass knuckles.

Good work, keep it up.

Well sure if you want to be technical and stuff....


Brass Knuckles, huh? How about a power fist wrapped with chain...electrified of course.

I like chains. Use lots of chains.

WOW THOSE ARE NICE!

I vote for a Dark Arts tutorial!!

Excellent work, and its nice to see someone else using grey stuff ^_^ (the resin casts too!)

Lessons in the "Dark Arts", huh? I'll see what I can do.

i have to say these guys are starting to look like grey knights, but i like them alot. keep it up

Sorry, the title threw me off. Are these 28mm, or 40mm, or how tall are they?

Also holy crap, they look awesome.

These are awsome

Very nice models!

All I can say is..... WOW!!!

Grey Knight Luke wrote:Technically, Grey Knights use halberds, and in close combat they are actually effective fighting weapons (ancient China is where you look for those). Lances on the other hand are really one shot weapons (obviously Britain, France, Spain, etc..). Spears are good but they have a tendency to get caught in people and break, and they aren't very Templar friendly I don't think.

Anyway... I vote one of the guys should have a big pair of brass knuckles.

Good work, keep it up.

More technically, they are glaives, which were (along with their 10^4 variants) tremendously popular in Europe and Russia. Halberds are more ax like, and calling the Chinese pole weapons "halberds" is a really weak translation, like calling women from the Yangzhe province "Valley Girls"
Glaives are really awkward one handed, though at least the current GK rules and models sort of imply they use both hands. A lance would be even worse, though a spear would be quite reasonable. One handed spears were used with shields from right around the same time as man invented shields, and are plenty durable. It is only when they get out past 6 or 7 feet that they get a bit awkward and breakable.

I am really digging the biggerized boys, though I do wonder if you are going to add some details, especially to the chest area. Even my wife noticed that they look a little dull, though of course fancy painting could remedy that as well as resin

Wehrkind:

I am really digging the biggerized boys, though I do wonder if you are going to add some details, especially to the chest area. Even my wife noticed that they look a little dull, though of course fancy painting could remedy that as well as resin

Yes, indeed I actually have several small stamps that I've made to apply putty details to them. I'll be adding a some modeling chain to wrap around their weapons etc. That said what would you suggest detail wise?

WARBOSS TZOO

Sorry, the title threw me off. Are these 28mm, or 40mm, or how tall are they?

They're still 28mm heroic scale, around 2-3mm taller that standard terminators.

TyraelVladinhurst:

I have to say these guys are starting to look like grey knights, but i like them alot. keep it up

Not much difference between the two in my opinion.

Fafnir:

I like chains. Use lots of chains.

Oh they be lots of chain in evidence here!

Wehrkind wrote:

Grey Knight Luke wrote:Technically, Grey Knights use halberds, and in close combat they are actually effective fighting weapons (ancient China is where you look for those). Lances on the other hand are really one shot weapons (obviously Britain, France, Spain, etc..). Spears are good but they have a tendency to get caught in people and break, and they aren't very Templar friendly I don't think.

Anyway... I vote one of the guys should have a big pair of brass knuckles.

Good work, keep it up.

More technically, they are glaives, which were (along with their 10^4 variants) tremendously popular in Europe and Russia. Halberds are more ax like, and calling the Chinese pole weapons "halberds" is a really weak translation, like calling women from the Yangzhe province "Valley Girls"
Glaives are really awkward one handed, though at least the current GK rules and models sort of imply they use both hands. A lance would be even worse, though a spear would be quite reasonable. One handed spears were used with shields from right around the same time as man invented shields, and are plenty durable. It is only when they get out past 6 or 7 feet that they get a bit awkward and breakable.

I am really digging the biggerized boys, though I do wonder if you are going to add some details, especially to the chest area. Even my wife noticed that they look a little dull, though of course fancy painting could remedy that as well as resin

I stand slightly corrected. But thanks a bunch for the insight into ancient weaponry. I still say that spears are not templarish..

oh and electrified chains on fists would work ok... but I was thinking brass knuckles modeled onto a powerfist. that would look cool in my brain without any real life thing to back it up with.

nice work, keep it up

Actually, those stamps on the chest would be about perfect. I kind of figured that was what you had in mind but wasn't certain.
One thing I might suggest though is a little more detail around the face/jaw parts of the visor, sort of like the older style dogfaced bascinettes and great helms:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_helm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bascinet
The bascinet has more of a "beaky" look, but something similar with grill work/holes in the helms might add a little visual interest. Functionally pointless, technically, but visually interesting


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Also, are you planning to eschew the use of tabards and cloaks, or do you plan to add them later? Not that the lads necessarily need them, just that it might add some interesting movement to the models, and maybe help cover some of the more awkward leg joins and so save you some putty work.

Okay, I see what you mean now, regarding the helmets. They'll be getting more details:

1. rivets
2. drilled in vent holes
3. carved in grill slots.
4. probably some hoses as well.


I'll also be using some standard marine heads, and bear heads with chain mail coifs.

Nice, they all resemble GK terminators, I'd definatly would like to see more different heads.

I like this stuff, having done a huge horde of Blue Space Marine Templars years ago, this almost makes me want to do it again, if I wasn't doing so much fantasy stuff.

Your chainmail needs a bit of work though. You need a ball stylus, like my 99 cent one from Michaels (#4 in the pic)

Then make sure you go back and forth alternating your angles in each row either vertically or horizontally.

With your skills, you'll be out doing me in about 5 minutes.

Looking forward to seeing more.
---PPC

Grey Knight Luke wrote:

I still say that spears are not templarish..

I have to disagree with you. The Black Templars are based on the templars that crusaded in the holy land, such as those under Richard the Lion Heart) and they would have used lances. Plus archers at that time would often use a shortened wooden lance to defend themselves in combat once they had run out of arrows or their enemies had closed the distance. so Lances are fine with templars, and they would be used as pennants, displaying each Knight's (or here each squad's) heraldry.

I like this though keep going.

Imp. Monkey

Anyone else getting Monty Python flashbacks after looking at the running pose? I can't seem to get the Ministry of Silly Walks sketch out of my head.....

person person:

Since you mentioned it. I will be adding some alternate heads.

PsychosisPC:

Thanks allot! I'll give the stylus a try, I have several that I use for hand and faces. It never occurred to me to use them for chain-mail.



A Couple of Ideas:

I was looking through my bits and two useful bits from the Grave Guard box came to mind.

1. that great weapons fixed to a styrene rod makes a great plastic Halberd for Grey Knights or in my case Black Templars.
2. all those un-used shoulder pads make great knee and elbow pads, or to just add an additional layer of armor plate, the have nice details to: spikes and skull mostly.

Spectacular!

Okay these have been languishing for a week of so...


I intend for each to be unique. There knights of legend so they should all look like individuals. Unique heraldry, etc, etc....


Here the start for the Chaplain:


Yes, he is sporting Grave Guard shoulder pads on his legs.








































Banner Bear:

























More later.... I have like 30 modeled will start painting very soon.

Dysartes wrote:Anyone else getting Monty Python flashbacks after looking at the running pose? I can't seem to get the Ministry of Silly Walks sketch out of my head.....

OMG!!! I demand neophytes with the coconut shells!!!!


Bot, on topic, these are lookin great Sersi. Once I get more IG shoulder pads I' gotta play catch up with my tallarns!

Grey Knight Luke wrote:

Wehrkind wrote:

Grey Knight Luke wrote:Technically, Grey Knights use halberds, and in close combat they are actually effective fighting weapons (ancient China is where you look for those). Lances on the other hand are really one shot weapons (obviously Britain, France, Spain, etc..). Spears are good but they have a tendency to get caught in people and break, and they aren't very Templar friendly I don't think.

Anyway... I vote one of the guys should have a big pair of brass knuckles.

Good work, keep it up.

More technically, they are glaives, which were (along with their 10^4 variants) tremendously popular in Europe and Russia. Halberds are more ax like, and calling the Chinese pole weapons "halberds" is a really weak translation, like calling women from the Yangzhe province "Valley Girls"
Glaives are really awkward one handed, though at least the current GK rules and models sort of imply they use both hands. A lance would be even worse, though a spear would be quite reasonable. One handed spears were used with shields from right around the same time as man invented shields, and are plenty durable. It is only when they get out past 6 or 7 feet that they get a bit awkward and breakable.

I am really digging the biggerized boys, though I do wonder if you are going to add some details, especially to the chest area. Even my wife noticed that they look a little dull, though of course fancy painting could remedy that as well as resin

I stand slightly corrected. But thanks a bunch for the insight into ancient weaponry. I still say that spears are not templarish..

oh and electrified chains on fists would work ok... but I was thinking brass knuckles modeled onto a powerfist. that would look cool in my brain without any real life thing to back it up with.

TBH, Brass Knuckles aren't terribly 'Knightly'

Knightly...smightly...I say. The only honorable fights are the ones you win! Hur...hur...

Mistress of minis wrote:

Dysartes wrote:Anyone else getting Monty Python flashbacks after looking at the running pose? I can't seem to get the Ministry of Silly Walks sketch out of my head.....

OMG!!! I demand neophytes with the coconut shells!!!!

What... is the average air-speed velocity of an unladen thunderhawk gunship?

These BT true scales are great looking and I can't wait to see the finished chaplin