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Wehrkind wrote:

1: Don't use black except as a wash. As odd as it sounds starting with black and building up to highlight is much harder than is needed. Black leaves you no where to go to make it darker. When I did my chaos warriors and marauders I did the black armor in this fashion:
a: light grey primer
b: Vallejo Neutral Grey (sort of a medium dark grey)
c: highlight with White Grey (I don't use white either if I can)
d: Badab Black wash.

This is almost exactly what I plan to do. I got the Zenithal Highlighting tutorial from Miniature Mentor, and studied Les and Wintergreen techniques. So, I plan on airbrushing: black, then dark grey color and highlighting up adding white and blue to the mix. Then glazing with a blue/black wash. Then gloss varnish, pin wash, apply and weather the decals.

I'll mask off the models and then hit the knee pads etc with a base of a light grey, and then from above with white.

I've decided to not edge highlight with paint. I'll more likely edges where the paint would where with color and graphite pencils instead; its far easier to control than a brush.

For weathering I want to show that they been on campaign but not through a meat grinder. That and I like the idea of pristine glossy black armor, caked with matte mud. Having read Helsarch, I really tempted to base them off of the Ash wastes of Armageddon.


Very quick and dirty method to get quick highlights that blend nicely. If an area is too light you can apply more black wash as a glaze. This should also work with a black to light blue highlight, though I am not certain.

2: As to white shoulder pads, yea, getting there from black is miserable. If you have to do so, I would mix in some of the really pale foundation color (Adeptus battle grey?) with white for a base coat, and build from there accepting that the grey showing around the edges will help shade. Instead of going for pure white, get to a grey/white and you will be good to go.

Yeah, I plan on starting with a dark gray and highlighting up to white. Then going back with a brush to do the trim in gold, black or red as needed. I got some block of floral arrangement foam from the dollar store, so I can super glue like 50 pads at a time to toothpicks, jam them in to the foam and then airbrush on the successive coats of paint.

3: As to whether it is better to put them together first or not, I don't know. I almost always put my stuff together because I can't resist seeing how the model will look. I tell you though, those warriors were a HUGE pain with their cloaks blocking the backs of their legs.

I'll definitely be leaving the pads off, and probably the back packs as well. The arms I'm not to worried about because, I don't have many bolters, and the ones I do have are not held in both hands for the most part; and most of my poses are open with the hands away from the body.

Looks great man, so long as I remind myself that I don't have to imagine painting it all myself!

Now that I got the basics sorted out the only thing that worries me is the details.


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Wehrkind wrote:

1: Don't use black except as a wash. As odd as it sounds starting with black and building up to highlight is much harder than is needed. Black leaves you no where to go to make it darker. When I did my chaos warriors and marauders I did the black armor in this fashion:
a: light grey primer
b: Vallejo Neutral Grey (sort of a medium dark grey)
c: highlight with White Grey (I don't use white either if I can)
d: Badab Black wash.

This is almost exactly what I plan to do. I got the Zenithal Highlighting tutorial from Miniature Mentor, and studied Les and Wintergreen techniques. So, I plan on airbrushing: black, then dark grey color and highlighting up adding white and blue to the mix. Then glazing with a blue/black wash. Then gloss varnish, pin wash, apply and weather the decals.

I'll mask off the models and then hit the knee pads etc with a base of a light grey, and then from above with white.

I've decided to not edge highlight with paint. I'll more likely edges where the paint would where with color and graphite pencils instead; its far easier to control than a brush.

For weathering I want to show that they been on campaign but not through a meat grinder. That and I like the idea of pristine glossy black armor, caked with matte mud. Having read Helsarch, I really tempted to base them off of the Ash wastes of Armageddon.


Very quick and dirty method to get quick highlights that blend nicely. If an area is too light you can apply more black wash as a glaze. This should also work with a black to light blue highlight, though I am not certain.

2: As to white shoulder pads, yea, getting there from black is miserable. If you have to do so, I would mix in some of the really pale foundation color (Adeptus battle grey?) with white for a base coat, and build from there accepting that the grey showing around the edges will help shade. Instead of going for pure white, get to a grey/white and you will be good to go.

Yeah, I plan on starting with a dark gray and highlighting up to white. Then going back with a brush to do the trim in gold, black or red as needed. I got some block of floral arrangement foam from the dollar store, so I can super glue like 50 pads at a time to toothpicks, jam them in to the foam and then airbrush on the successive coats of paint.

3: As to whether it is better to put them together first or not, I don't know. I almost always put my stuff together because I can't resist seeing how the model will look. I tell you though, those warriors were a HUGE pain with their cloaks blocking the backs of their legs.

I'll definitely be leaving the pads off, and probably the back packs as well. The arms I'm not to worried about because, I don't have many bolters, and the ones I do have are not held in both hands for the most part; and most of my poses are open with the hands away from the body.

Looks great man, so long as I remind myself that I don't have to imagine painting it all myself!

Now that I got the basics sorted out the only thing that worries me is the details.

Good luck to you sir I look forward to seeing how your process comes together so I can glean some ideas. I am always looking for new tricks to get lots of guys painted well in a short amount of time. In a few years I plan on starting a project to make my own Chinese sweatshop to get my models done, but it will have to wait until my wife and I finish grad school and we can afford kids :-P

Loving the work and the studs on the armor...nice touch!

Loving the models, now how bout some pictures of some painted ones even if they are WIP, I believe we all would love to see some more.

Ahh...updates.


Let's start with the Marshal shall we:


Marshal Uther:


Added some bling and cleaned him up. He still needs new shoulder pads though.





















This is an example of the level of detail each marine is getting:











And for scaling purposes, here's a Templar with an guardsman and a foul Xeno:








There are many more pics than these but I'm pressed for time this morning.

More Later!!

Im happy to see more updates! I'll be keeping tabs for future scenes!

Sweet mother of everything holy... This army is wicked!! Consider me subscribed to this Black Templar goodness!

SO AWESOME

Consider me subscribed, these guys look awesome!!
Keep up the great work!

The marshall seems disperportioned in the chest.

Hey thanks guys!

Empchild wrote:The marshall seems disperportioned in the chest.

I think its just his pose, because the torso proportions are the same for all of them. He does have those additional plates on his legs that make them look a bit bulkier. I'll take another look at that.




Chaplain Mordred:

Say how many skull, can a chaplain wear before it becomes tacky? So far he has "9" skulls both literal and ornamental adorning him. Still I'm considering the large skull shoulder pads from the WF Chaos Knights sprue, and perhaps a backpack mounted shrine. Hmmm.....












Crusaders:

Here are but a few examples of my Initiates. Note that none of these models have shoulder pads as those will be getting painted separate as will all the shields.



































































The full crusade as it stands now:







Dreadnought updates to follow.


More Soon....

Just looking at this army is inspiring me to no limit! This stuff is incredible!

I feel pity for the foul aliens, mutants, and heretics that will fall before this mighty crusade..... wait a minute? Pity? What the am I saying?! In the name of the God Emperor, DIE!!!!!

I salue you, Marshal Sersi!

The WIP looks amazing. The level of detail (especially all the gear) that each marine has makes me not want to look at my old marines.

The only thing I don't like is the one-handed special weapons. I know they are 8-ft man-machines of death, but I would think this would make accurate aiming more difficult. To each his own though.

Keep the updates coming.

"Bravo old chap. Bravo"
As 'Mithril hound' from B&C, I once again applaud your efforts.

they are lovely. are you going to make spare parts and sell them? cause I would love to have such sized space marines!
just look at them being awesome!

HOLY Wow cant believe my eyes, looks so awesome, would be willing to buy cast peices from you. Wow. Loving the the terminator Arms they seem to match the scale far more better than normal marine arms, makes me wonder though what you will you use for Terminator arms....

Holy crap, scrolled back up, Totally Epic

You must've spent a buttload of money on all that.

Looks fantastic.

So cool... so so so cool

Sersi wrote:

More Later!!

Very nice work, but now orc seems to small

Sersi how many points is that?

Looking very swish, makes my crusade look positively plain. Am loving your work!!!!!!!!!

Damn you!!!! Now I must purge my OWN black Templars out of shame!


Seriously though, they are so incredibly awesome! If only I had the skill and patience to do that, I could... I could bake a cake!

you don't do things by halves do you? A M A Z I N G.

this is soooow coooowl!!

Some seriously bad ass poses up there! AND a whole army out of scratch build true-scale marines is way too impressive to even mention.

I am insanely jealous. In a harmless worshipful way.

cool XD thumbs up..

This project looks amazing. The most amazing part is that you were able to save the expense of buying 200 sets of terminator legs--is there a taboo on talking about that part?

I would also really like to know how I could replicate your process. I have a truescale army in the works and this would save me a lot of time and money. Also, what size bases are you using.

Thanks for continuing to share your work.

wow amazing! great work!

will you be doing any scout models?

AesSedai wrote:This project looks amazing. The most amazing part is that you were able to save the expense of buying 200 sets of terminator legs--is there a taboo on talking about that part?

I would also really like to know how I could replicate your process. I have a truescale army in the works and this would save me a lot of time and money. Also, what size bases are you using.

Thanks for continuing to share your work.

I'd also like to know how you did that, Sersi.