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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/27 17:00:04
Subject: What exactly is wrong with Arizona Immigration Law SB1070?
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Fixture of Dakka
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and with that, this thread has jumped the shark
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Six mistakes mankind keeps making century after century: Believing that personal gain is made by crushing others; Worrying about things that cannot be changed or corrected; Insisting that a thing is impossible because we cannot accomplish it; Refusing to set aside trivial preferences; Neglecting development and refinement of the mind; Attempting to compel others to believe and live as we do |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/27 18:36:01
Subject: What exactly is wrong with Arizona Immigration Law SB1070?
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Boosting Black Templar Biker
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I read about them capturing some Coyotes that had a couple of AKs, and RPK, and the Russian Drum fed Grenade launcher in the back of a car. That could've seriously ruined someone's day.
Must have been big time CoD fans.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/27 18:57:21
Subject: What exactly is wrong with Arizona Immigration Law SB1070?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Or rednecks in disguise.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/27 19:17:53
Subject: What exactly is wrong with Arizona Immigration Law SB1070?
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Boosting Black Templar Biker
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Rednecks do love guns man. My .45 is my baby. Nothing makes me happier than feeling that sucker kick, delivering some full metal loving to whatever the feth Im trying to hit. Well women make me happier, but thats a given. Im totally not gay I swear.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/27 19:20:51
Subject: What exactly is wrong with Arizona Immigration Law SB1070?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I'm Bi so I really wouldn't care about that.
And... yea.. I'll stick to my bow.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/27 19:24:23
Subject: What exactly is wrong with Arizona Immigration Law SB1070?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I am all for this law.
If you are here legally, then you have nothing to worry about. How flipping hard is it to go "Here you go Officer, here is my drivers license/green card ect ect" and hand it over for 30 seconds??
Suck it up and drive on.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/27 19:27:51
Subject: What exactly is wrong with Arizona Immigration Law SB1070?
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Fixture of Dakka
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jp400 wrote:I am all for this law.
If you are here legally, then you have nothing to worry about. How flipping hard is it to go "Here you go Officer, here is my drivers license/green card ect ect" and hand it over for 30 seconds??
Suck it up and drive on.
The feds can't even get it right, much less some yokel sheriff deputy.
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Six mistakes mankind keeps making century after century: Believing that personal gain is made by crushing others; Worrying about things that cannot be changed or corrected; Insisting that a thing is impossible because we cannot accomplish it; Refusing to set aside trivial preferences; Neglecting development and refinement of the mind; Attempting to compel others to believe and live as we do |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/27 19:31:20
Subject: What exactly is wrong with Arizona Immigration Law SB1070?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I have more faith in the local PD then I do the Feds.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/27 19:35:07
Subject: What exactly is wrong with Arizona Immigration Law SB1070?
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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jp400 wrote:I have more faith in the local PD then I do the Feds.
I have more faith than Cheech Marin than I do the Feds.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/27 19:38:56
Subject: What exactly is wrong with Arizona Immigration Law SB1070?
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Fixture of Dakka
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jp400 wrote:I have more faith in the local PD then I do the Feds.
Here's a quot for you,
"As ICE increased its collaboration with state and local police and prisons under changes to immigration laws and policies in recent years, some detainees who have had a run-in with the law drop through a trapdoor from the criminal justice system into deportation proceedings."
You leave the house without your ID to walk down the street to the convenience store, some cop thinks your look suspicious and asks for ID, you say it's at home but they just cuff you and haul you in; next thing you know, you're spending 9 months behind bars trying to prove that you're a citizen. Guilty of being brown.
http://articles.sfgate.com/2009-07-27/news/17218849_1_judy-rabinovitz-immigration-laws-illegal-immigrant
I'm not saying illegal immigration isn't a problem. I just think there are better ways of going about it than creating a system whereby you are effectively terrorizing a segment of the population.
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Six mistakes mankind keeps making century after century: Believing that personal gain is made by crushing others; Worrying about things that cannot be changed or corrected; Insisting that a thing is impossible because we cannot accomplish it; Refusing to set aside trivial preferences; Neglecting development and refinement of the mind; Attempting to compel others to believe and live as we do |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/27 19:43:23
Subject: What exactly is wrong with Arizona Immigration Law SB1070?
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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SFGate?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/27 19:43:48
Subject: Re:What exactly is wrong with Arizona Immigration Law SB1070?
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Moustache-twirling Princeps
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My main issue with the law, besides the fact that it can cause serious problems for Hispanic citizens, is the fact that it will introduce an entire population to the prisons of Arizona. There are half a million illegal immigrants in the state, roughly, and even a fraction of that will likely overburden the prison system, while DIRECTLY pouring taxpayer money into housing, feeding, and basically protecting illegal immigrants.
In my eyes, this law is the worst of both sides, and is bound to cause more problems that it solves.
I would also like to apologize for the migrant workers that have contributed so much to the entire countries economy, while also introducing the ability to live in an actual house within their own country... instead of a mud hut. Damn evil bastards, HOW DARE THEY STRUGGLE!!!
It seems much easier to paint with massive brush strokes...
I would also like to add that I do not think the passing of this law, was anything other than an attempt to shove immigration into the spotlight, in order to force a move from the Feds. Conversations like these change the future of our country, don't underestimate the power of coffee-table discussions.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/27 19:47:20
Subject: What exactly is wrong with Arizona Immigration Law SB1070?
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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I don't apologize. We did not create the mess that is Mexico. It was a mess since the Spanish were kicked out. Take your guilt somewhere else.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/27 19:49:58
Subject: What exactly is wrong with Arizona Immigration Law SB1070?
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Moustache-twirling Princeps
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Frazzled wrote:I don't apologize. We did not create the mess that is Mexico. It was a mess since the Spanish were kicked out. Take your guilt somewhere else.
Translation = Nuke Mexico from Orbit... It is the only way to be sure.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/27 19:50:59
Subject: What exactly is wrong with Arizona Immigration Law SB1070?
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Wrexasaur wrote:Frazzled wrote:I don't apologize. We did not create the mess that is Mexico. It was a mess since the Spanish were kicked out. Take your guilt somewhere else.
Translation = Nuke Earth from Orbit... It is the only way to be sure.
Fixed your quote.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/27 20:00:10
Subject: What exactly is wrong with Arizona Immigration Law SB1070?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Frazzled wrote:SFGate?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Agreed.
Then again, what do I know about problems with Illegals... oh wait.... I helped boarder patrol for 2 months in Texas and have seen first hand how big a problem it really is.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/27 20:04:18
Subject: What exactly is wrong with Arizona Immigration Law SB1070?
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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jp400 wrote:Frazzled wrote:SFGate?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Agreed.
Then again, what do I know about problems with Illegals... oh wait.... I helped boarder patrol for 2 months in Texas and have seen first hand how big a problem it really is. 
You must have been hot. On the positive, mayhaps you partook of the perfection that is Tex-Mex.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/27 20:04:59
Subject: What exactly is wrong with Arizona Immigration Law SB1070?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Yeah and the fact that I work for the government and deal with legal and illegal immigrants on a daily basis carries no merit...
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Six mistakes mankind keeps making century after century: Believing that personal gain is made by crushing others; Worrying about things that cannot be changed or corrected; Insisting that a thing is impossible because we cannot accomplish it; Refusing to set aside trivial preferences; Neglecting development and refinement of the mind; Attempting to compel others to believe and live as we do |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/27 20:07:35
Subject: What exactly is wrong with Arizona Immigration Law SB1070?
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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None to me. You're part of the problem.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2010/04/27 20:07:54
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/27 20:08:57
Subject: What exactly is wrong with Arizona Immigration Law SB1070?
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Hangin' with Gork & Mork
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agnosto wrote:Yeah and the fact that I work for the government and deal with legal and illegal immigrants on a daily basis carries no merit...
Which government? There is more than one you know. In what capacity to you deal with said immigrants? Your statement is somewhat vague and needs clarification.
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/27 20:12:53
Subject: What exactly is wrong with Arizona Immigration Law SB1070?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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hmm
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/27 20:13:27
Subject: What exactly is wrong with Arizona Immigration Law SB1070?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Ahtman wrote:
Which government? There is more than one you know. In what capacity to you deal with said immigrants? Your statement is somewhat vague and needs clarification.
Not particularly. I was intentionally vague as this is an anonymous forum after all. That and my boss doesn't need to know how I spend my breaks.
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Six mistakes mankind keeps making century after century: Believing that personal gain is made by crushing others; Worrying about things that cannot be changed or corrected; Insisting that a thing is impossible because we cannot accomplish it; Refusing to set aside trivial preferences; Neglecting development and refinement of the mind; Attempting to compel others to believe and live as we do |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/27 20:14:59
Subject: What exactly is wrong with Arizona Immigration Law SB1070?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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agnosto wrote:Yeah and the fact that I work for the government and deal with legal and illegal immigrants on a daily basis carries no merit...
Frazzled wrote:None to me. You're part of the problem.
Agreed +1
Ahtman wrote:agnosto wrote:Yeah and the fact that I work for the government and deal with legal and illegal immigrants on a daily basis carries no merit...
Which government? There is more than one you know. In what capacity to you deal with said immigrants? Your statement is somewhat vague and needs clarification.
I would like to hear this one.
And here is some proof that I do know what I am talking about. As said I have come face to face with the said problem.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/27 20:15:37
Subject: What exactly is wrong with Arizona Immigration Law SB1070?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Frazzled wrote:On the positive, mayhaps you partook of the perfection that is Tex-Mex.
I find Texas BBQ to be >>> than Tex-Mex.
Hmm...brisket...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/27 20:16:39
Subject: What exactly is wrong with Arizona Immigration Law SB1070?
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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jp400 wrote:Frazzled wrote:SFGate?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Agreed.
Then again, what do I know about problems with Illegals... oh wait.... I helped boarder patrol for 2 months in Texas and have seen first hand how big a problem it really is. 
You expect us to believe you worked with an agency whose name you can't even spell?
What capacity were you "helping" them in? Because calling them to report someone as a suspected illegal != "helping".
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/27 20:17:16
Subject: What exactly is wrong with Arizona Immigration Law SB1070?
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Hey as long as they didn't make you wear the old school wool blue uniforms.... Automatically Appended Next Post: pombe wrote:Frazzled wrote:On the positive, mayhaps you partook of the perfection that is Tex-Mex.
I find Texas BBQ to be >>> than Tex-Mex.
Hmm...brisket...
Wise minds can disagree. Though rarer, others will contend Texas chicken fried steak remains king. It used to be the law that Texans had to eat chicken fried steak at least once a fortnight, or before rustling Mexican/Oklahoman cattle, whichever came first.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2010/04/27 20:21:41
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/27 20:22:19
Subject: What exactly is wrong with Arizona Immigration Law SB1070?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Kanluwen wrote:jp400 wrote:Frazzled wrote:SFGate?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Agreed.
Then again, what do I know about problems with Illegals... oh wait.... I helped boarder patrol for 2 months in Texas and have seen first hand how big a problem it really is. 
You expect us to believe you worked with an agency whose name you can't even spell?
What capacity were you "helping" them in? Because calling them to report someone as a suspected illegal != "helping".
Please, if you can't think of anything to argue and have to resort to becomming a grammar nazi, then I suggest you move along for there is nothing to see here.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/27 20:24:51
Subject: What exactly is wrong with Arizona Immigration Law SB1070?
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Fixture of Dakka
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jp400 wrote:
And here is some proof that I do know what I am talking about. As said I have come face to face with the said problem.
Proudly displayed, in the second paragraph, "in defeating and elusive , narco-terrorist". You'd think they could edit something if they wanted to be taken seriously...
Should I scan my degree and certificates for you? My word carries just as much weight in a discussion on the topic matter as yours. You spent a week doing something and I've spent years working within the community. Congrats.
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Six mistakes mankind keeps making century after century: Believing that personal gain is made by crushing others; Worrying about things that cannot be changed or corrected; Insisting that a thing is impossible because we cannot accomplish it; Refusing to set aside trivial preferences; Neglecting development and refinement of the mind; Attempting to compel others to believe and live as we do |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/27 20:27:16
Subject: Re:What exactly is wrong with Arizona Immigration Law SB1070?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Also Fraz:
Tex Mix was good. Though the little gut truck filled with locals serving us was a godsend over issue foodstuffs.
And if they would have made me run around in the old school blues, you would have seen me naked greeting boarder jumpers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/27 20:28:07
Subject: What exactly is wrong with Arizona Immigration Law SB1070?
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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jp400 wrote:Kanluwen wrote:jp400 wrote:Frazzled wrote:SFGate?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Agreed.
Then again, what do I know about problems with Illegals... oh wait.... I helped boarder patrol for 2 months in Texas and have seen first hand how big a problem it really is. 
You expect us to believe you worked with an agency whose name you can't even spell?
What capacity were you "helping" them in? Because calling them to report someone as a suspected illegal != "helping".
Please, if you can't think of anything to argue and have to resort to becomming a grammar nazi, then I suggest you move along for there is nothing to see here. 
Sorry there sweetheart, I've already made my point. Not my fault you can't bother to read it or need it spelled out with pictures.
The point is:
This law is ENTIRELY ridiculous. It's racial profiling at its very core.
You want to do something about illegal immigration?
Then put the companies making it lucrative to bring illegal immigrants across the border into your crosshairs.
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