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The US also was behind 9/11 bombings, H1N1 was a ploy to kill off anyone who didn't agree with the Free Masons (I mean look at all those FEMA casket protectors).

Gitmo. Look at Gitmo to see how evil the US is.

So, deliberately passing out smallpox infected blankets was an accident, and I'm curious what nation built death camps before the US? Are you also implying that the US did not, in fact, deliberately infect a racial minority with syphilis? Or kill thousands of Confederate POWs at Elmira?

I will imply that when I imply that. If you would like to read the post you quoted I simply stated a fact. As for previous death camps those date all the way back to biblical times. Work camps where no one stops working until they die have never been particularly unheard of. Vlad the impaler had them.


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Fateweaver wrote:The US also was behind 9/11 bombings, H1N1 was a ploy to kill off anyone who didn't agree with the Free Masons (I mean look at all those FEMA casket protectors).

Gitmo. Look at Gitmo to see how evil the US is.

Who are you even talking too? Are you drunk?

The US was also behind the Iceland volcanic eruption and the sinking of the BP Horizon. Don't forget the US also secretly sank the Titanic to get the US into WWI years before it actually started-thats how evil thinking we are.





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BaronIveagh wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

I do think that one of the more entertaining things about this is here we have an American whining that other Americans are acting like Nazis. First of all: the Nazis just modernized ideas that the US invented, and used them all at the same time.

Please cite examples.

Death Camps? Check. (Andersonville/Elmira, anyone?)

Genocide? Check. (according to some estimates, over 60 million native Americans died, compared to six million Jews)

Inhuman medical experiments? Check. (Tuskegee, anyone?)

Total war/war on civilians? Check. (Fredricksburg? Sherman's Georgia campaign? The Wyoming Valley Campaign? The Harmar Campaign?)

There they are! We didn't invent any of those things and the nazis were better at most. As to the native american issue, the vast majority of them died from starvation or disease while still reletively segregated from american power. The same thing happened to the south american empires. Disease is a powerful and often times accidental weapon.

So, deliberately passing out smallpox infected blankets was an accident, and I'm curious what nation built death camps before the US? Are you also implying that the US did not, in fact, deliberately infect a racial minority with syphilis? Or kill thousands of Confederate POWs at Elmira?

Wrong country Amherst was a British officer
http://www.nativeweb.org/pages/legal/amherst/lord_jeff.html
Smallpox blankets
Despite his fame, Jeffrey Amherst's name became tarnished by stories of smallpox-infected blankets used as germ warfare against American Indians. These stories are reported, for example, in Carl Waldman's Atlas of the North American Indian [NY: Facts on File, 1985]. Waldman writes, in reference to a siege of Fort Pitt (Pittsburgh) by Chief Pontiac's forces during the summer of 1763:

... Captain Simeon Ecuyer had bought time by sending smallpox-infected blankets and handkerchiefs to the Indians surrounding the fort -- an early example of biological warfare -- which started an epidemic among them. Amherst himself had encouraged this tactic in a letter to Ecuyer. [p. 108]
Some people have doubted these stories; other people, believing the stories, nevertheless assert that the infected blankets were not intentionally distributed to the Indians, or that Lord Jeff himself is not to blame for the germ warfare tactic.

ShumaGorath wrote:

So, deliberately passing out smallpox infected blankets was an accident, and I'm curious what nation built death camps before the US? Are you also implying that the US did not, in fact, deliberately infect a racial minority with syphilis? Or kill thousands of Confederate POWs at Elmira?

I will imply that when I imply that. If you would like to read the post you quoted I simply stated a fact. As for previous death camps those date all the way back to biblical times. Work camps where no one stops working until they die have never been particularly unheard of. Vlad the impaler had them.


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Fateweaver wrote:The US also was behind 9/11 bombings, H1N1 was a ploy to kill off anyone who didn't agree with the Free Masons (I mean look at all those FEMA casket protectors).

Gitmo. Look at Gitmo to see how evil the US is.

Who are you even talking too? Are you drunk?

You say I don't know what I'm talking about so I'm proving your point so that your epeen will get bigger (or your already over inflated ego, whichever of the two is smaller).

Fateweaver wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

So, deliberately passing out smallpox infected blankets was an accident, and I'm curious what nation built death camps before the US? Are you also implying that the US did not, in fact, deliberately infect a racial minority with syphilis? Or kill thousands of Confederate POWs at Elmira?

I will imply that when I imply that. If you would like to read the post you quoted I simply stated a fact. As for previous death camps those date all the way back to biblical times. Work camps where no one stops working until they die have never been particularly unheard of. Vlad the impaler had them.


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Fateweaver wrote:The US also was behind 9/11 bombings, H1N1 was a ploy to kill off anyone who didn't agree with the Free Masons (I mean look at all those FEMA casket protectors).

Gitmo. Look at Gitmo to see how evil the US is.

Who are you even talking too? Are you drunk?

You say I don't know what I'm talking about so I'm proving your point so that your epeen will get bigger (or your already over inflated ego, whichever of the two is smaller).

But you prove my point every time you post seriously! You don't need to prove my point on purpose, you do it anyway!

As a neutral observer of your online love-affair I'd say Fate is actually the less antagonistic, though I agree with Shuma slightly more often. 60-40 or so...

Its like watching two brothers hitting each other in the back of the car. Occasionlly Dad reaches around and smacks whicher's closer but usually he just wonders where it all went wrong. After all he was going to be an astronaut/scientist/millionaire. What the hell happened?

ShumaGorath wrote:

Fateweaver wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

So, deliberately passing out smallpox infected blankets was an accident, and I'm curious what nation built death camps before the US? Are you also implying that the US did not, in fact, deliberately infect a racial minority with syphilis? Or kill thousands of Confederate POWs at Elmira?

I will imply that when I imply that. If you would like to read the post you quoted I simply stated a fact. As for previous death camps those date all the way back to biblical times. Work camps where no one stops working until they die have never been particularly unheard of. Vlad the impaler had them.


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Fateweaver wrote:The US also was behind 9/11 bombings, H1N1 was a ploy to kill off anyone who didn't agree with the Free Masons (I mean look at all those FEMA casket protectors).

Gitmo. Look at Gitmo to see how evil the US is.

Who are you even talking too? Are you drunk?

You say I don't know what I'm talking about so I'm proving your point so that your epeen will get bigger (or your already over inflated ego, whichever of the two is smaller).

But you prove my point every time you post seriously! You don't need to prove my point on purpose, you do it anyway!

Apparently you don't read all of my posts.

So apparently in your little world no post of mine ever makes sense and is mindless drivel.

Go read every single one of my posts and then come back to me and apologize for talking out your ass. I suggest you start in News and Rumors and work your way down. Stop in at the P&M threads to.

Of course knowing you you'll find something in one of my posts about modeling to attack.

If you were a girl Shuma I would think you are in love with me the way you obsess over my posts. It's kind of creepy actually. LOL. I'm lead to believe you are a male. If you are female than you'd for sure be the last woman on Earth I'd ever give my number to. LOL.

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Modquisition.
Ok break the hold here guys enough lovey dovey already. Lets focus back On Topic shall we?

Poor hyena getting muzzled.

Yep.

Fateweaver wrote:Poor hyena getting muzzled.

Apparently, muzzling a hyena is easier that muzzling Glen Beck!

I want a pack to guard my yard. I'll train them to attack Liberals with intent to kill.

So yeah, Lewis Black irritates me worst than Jon Stewart and that's saying a lot.


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dietrich wrote:

Fateweaver wrote:Poor hyena getting muzzled.

Apparently, muzzling a hyena is easier that muzzling Glen Beck!

Well, perhaps there is that whole "Constitution" thing getting in the way of muzzling him.

Of course liberals and liberal MSM (god how ironic that is) want tighter constraints on what the 1st Amendment should entail. The Second Amendment is under attack constantly and thanks to liberal PC nonsense the First is being threatened as well.

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Modquisition.
Ok break the hold here guys enough lovey dovey already. Lets focus back On Topic shall we?

Am I allowed to reply to him? Or should I just leave it alone? He's just going to complain about the liberal media in every post and infer that liberals hate the constitution and want to destroy america every time he does it.

Fateweaver wrote:I want a pack to guard my yard. I'll train them to attack Liberals with intent to kill.

So yeah, Lewis Black irritates me worst than Jon Stewart and that's saying a lot.

I used to like Lewis Black. However the last few shows I saw of him, he went from funny/ranty to funny/political ranty to not funny/political ranty.

I'd reply with drivel of mine own to match the drivel you just spewed out but I'm not a douche and actually listen to what the mods tell me instead of attacking them as well.

Your obsession with me is scary Shuma. I bet if I got perma-banned you'd make an account on Warseer just to troll me there. LOL.

ShumaGorath wrote:

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Modquisition.
Ok break the hold here guys enough lovey dovey already. Lets focus back On Topic shall we?

Am I allowed to reply to him? Or should I just leave it alone? He's just going to complain about the liberal media in every post and infer that liberals hate the constitution and want to destroy america every time he does it.

You can reply to the points. Lets cut the personal stuff and discuss the topic itself.

Can we put "Liberal" in the wordfilter, alongside of "Apologist"?

Liberal filtered through Dakka = "anti-Constitutionalist."

Apologist = "Approving even 1% of the time of what GW does".

I should submit those to Yakface.

I'd reply with drivel of mine own to match the drivel you just spewed out but I'm not a douche and actually listen to what the mods tell me instead of attacking

Funny how you've been banned more than me then.

Your obsession with me is scary Shuma. I bet if I got perma-banned you'd make an account on Warseer just to troll me there.

No, I would just be happy that you were gone.

You can reply to the points. Lets cut the personal stuff and discuss the topic itself.

What point would that be? The point where he stated that MSM (whatever that is (I think he meant MSN)) wanted to destroy the first and second amendment? How do I respond to that? It's not coherent, it's not factual, he makes no effort to support it and it's vaguely insulting. It's the exact kind of thing you as a mod are supposed to be attempting to reduce. It's a troll post. Its fairly off topic unsubstantiated partisan drivel with no backing and no effort at moderation.

You're right. I'll work on that right now.

ShumaGorath wrote:

I'd reply with drivel of mine own to match the drivel you just spewed out but I'm not a douche and actually listen to what the mods tell me instead of attacking

Funny how you've been banned more than me then.

Your obsession with me is scary Shuma. I bet if I got perma-banned you'd make an account on Warseer just to troll me there.

No, I would just be happy that you were gone.

You can reply to the points. Lets cut the personal stuff and discuss the topic itself.

What point would that be? The point where he stated that MSM (whatever that is (I think he meant MSN)) wanted to destroy the first and second amendment? How do I respond to that? It's not coherent, it's not factual, he makes no effort to support it and it's vaguely insulting. It's the exact kind of thing you as a mod are supposed to be attempting to reduce. It's a troll post. Its fairly off topic unsubstantiated partisan drivel with no backing and no effort at moderation.

You don't know my ban count and I'm not going to oblige you. I can tell you it's more than one and less than 10. I'm sure yours is higher.

I think you are happy to attack me whatever I post about. Like I said, go to P&M and attack my posts there (and maybe even learn some skills).

MSM = Mainstream media. I thought you were such an edumacated person Shuma. The liberal run media (and not just news bout movies and tv) do a great job at attacking the constitution and those people that support it (Garafalo, Damon, Jon Stewart, Sean Penn...the list goes on). It's not conservatives who started all this PC bs and forcing political correctness on people is censorship and censorship goes against the First Amendment. It's not conservatives wanting to make guns all but impossible for people to own; it's hypocrites like Moore and tools like Penn and Stewart that are doing anything they can to make people who want to own guns out to be anti-government rednecks with no education.

You didn't just substantiate your point. You just made more unsubstantiated claims.

ShumaGorath wrote:

So, deliberately passing out smallpox infected blankets was an accident, and I'm curious what nation built death camps before the US? Are you also implying that the US did not, in fact, deliberately infect a racial minority with syphilis? Or kill thousands of Confederate POWs at Elmira?

I will imply that when I imply that. If you would like to read the post you quoted I simply stated a fact. As for previous death camps those date all the way back to biblical times. Work camps where no one stops working until they die have never been particularly unheard of. Vlad the impaler had them.

First, you're conflating a labor camp and a death camp.

Additionally, Vlad (III) 'Ţepeș', for all his inhumanity, according to archeological evidence, never built a labor camp at Poienari. There are also no first (or even third) hand accounts of it available. Most of the available information consists of German and Russian pamphlets of the period depicting Vlad in lurid, and inaccurate, detail, many of them being largely poetic in nature. The supposed Easter massacre and enslavement of the boyars comes from a Muscovite pamphlet of the time, and does not appear in any other texts for several years. Almost universally, these were written after his death, by his enemies.


I'm not familiar with the biblical labor camps you mentioned.

I am going to temporarily close and edit this thread to keep it going.

I am going to temporarily close and edit this thread to keep it going.
Never mind. Lets start again. Posts after this post will be dealt with assuming negative intent on the point of the poster and strict liability in that area. Fatevweaver / Shuma this means you. I have a nice "congrats you're being suspended!" letter written out, but will desist if YOU TWO AND ANY OTHERS desist the personal attacks.

I still can't figure out the post delete thing.

I've got life to live today so I'm done with dealing with Shuma......for now.

Adios.

On the Fort Pitt small pox distribution: : "Out of our regard for them [sc. representatives of the besieging Delawares], we gave them two Blankets and an Handkerchief out of the Small Pox Hospital. I hope it will have the desired effect." - William Trent, trader and militia leader at Fort Pitt, July 24, 1763.

BaronIveagh wrote:On the Fort Pitt small pox distribution: : "Out of our regard for them [sc. representatives of the besieging Delawares], we gave them two Blankets and an Handkerchief out of the Small Pox Hospital. I hope it will have the desired effect." - William Trent, trader at Fort Pitt, 1763.

Note the date. Note the officer. It refutes your statement directly.
British.


Anderson wasn't a death camp, just poorly managed with no reasources. No worse, or better than ship hulks commonly employed for retention of prisoners. revolutionaries prisoners in hulks had a 90% mortality. Again different country and predates the US.

Elmira was neither, and had the same rate of casualties.

Trent went on to be Major William Trent for the US. He also was an extensive land speculator in Western PA.

The 90% figure is, however, correct for the HMS Jersey. It's rather lower for other hulks.

The problem with 'British' at that time is most of them went on to be 'American'.

Though I'll grant that the British used germ warfare during the Revolution more commonly then the colonials did.

However, none of the British acts were secretly infecting your own citizens with diseases just to see what would happen.