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dogma wrote:Being a relatively wealthy young professional, I would not.

Being part of civilisation, I would not. Seriously, a financial meltdown in the US would really, really suck. It's why you guys really need to get your political dialogue and your economic policies in order.

And no, the Tea Party is not part of that.


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Fateweaver wrote:I so find Lewis Black unfunny. I sometimes think he starts his morning off with a 24 pack of Red Bull followed up by 2 pounds of sugar.

He's more animated than a 5yo hopped up on speed.

I don't normally find Lewis Black all that funny. But most people are pretty funny when they're making fun of Glenn Beck, and Black's bit was particularly hilarious.

I think it might be because Black is normally a bit over the top with his schtick about shouting perceived common sense at people, but it works here because people really need to be shouting common sense at Beck.

sebster wrote:

dogma wrote:Being a relatively wealthy young professional, I would not.

Being part of civilisation, I would not. Seriously, a financial meltdown in the US would really, really suck. It's why you guys really need to get your political dialogue and your economic policies in order.

Having lived in the united states for nearly twenty-one years I'm all but sure our politicians will try their damnedest to dance around the problem while poking each other with the 'blame' stick.

Fateweaver wrote:I so find Lewis Black unfunny. I sometimes think he starts his morning off with a 24 pack of Red Bull followed up by 2 pounds of sugar.

He's more animated than a 5yo hopped up on speed.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds him irritating. If loud and angry equaled funny, than Hitler must have been a hilarious speaker.
Oh crap- I must have Nazi Tourettes too... what a d-bag.

To me he seems to be proof that the empty can rattles the most.

Fateweaver wrote:As opposed to the gak MSNBC puts out?

ALL MSM news networks are full of liars and outright gak heads.

Glad only Fox is the culprit though?

Independent studies show that of the cable and Big Three networks, in terms of trustworthiness polling inidcates that Fox is rated #1 for trust, with CNN just behind. These two beat all other networks. I like that.

While I think that Glenn Beck is out of his mind I do watch a bit of his show here and there.

A man having a breakdown every day on TV is entertaining, pure and simple. I don't watch much Fox News but I don't go overboard with hate for it either. They have an audience that they cater to. If you don't like it, don't watch.

News shows shouldn't "cater", they should report what's going on. It's okay to have opinion pieces too, but they need to be clearly defined as such and not misrepresent the facts.

Da Boss wrote:News shows shouldn't "cater", they should report what's going on. It's okay to have opinion pieces too, but they need to be clearly defined as such and not misrepresent the facts.

They do that on Fox though... There are news reports and opinion shows on the channel. I don't know how many people that make these claims have actually watched Fox News without any kind of prejudice.

I place the responsibility on the viewer, honestly. If you're watching The O'Reilly Factor and can't figure out that it's an opinion-based show you should be booted right in your genitals.

Exactly. People have a beef with Beck and are derisive about Fox, but don't seem to have a beef with ABC putting on Lost. Both networks run non-news programming.

Monster Rain wrote:

Da Boss wrote:News shows shouldn't "cater", they should report what's going on. It's okay to have opinion pieces too, but they need to be clearly defined as such and not misrepresent the facts.

They do that on Fox though... There are news reports and opinion shows on the channel. I don't know how many people that make these claims have actually watched Fox News without any kind of prejudice.

The onus isn't on if there should or should not be political bias on the various networks, we understand that there is, (although coming from the UK, I am surprised and alittle disgusted by just how much blatant bias there is on Fox), rather it is that the bias opinions are presented by such a nub. This Beck fellow is ignorant in the extreme and therefore ill placed to be a centre-stage reporter and political commentator. It's like they let the angry tub-thumping conspiracy nut from the end of the bar wander in drunk and stay forever.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:

Da Boss wrote:News shows shouldn't "cater", they should report what's going on. It's okay to have opinion pieces too, but they need to be clearly defined as such and not misrepresent the facts.

They do that on Fox though... There are news reports and opinion shows on the channel. I don't know how many people that make these claims have actually watched Fox News without any kind of prejudice.

The onus isn't on if there should or should not be political bias on the various networks, we understand that there is, (although coming from the UK, I am surprised and alittle disgusted by just how much blatant bias there is on Fox), rather it is that the bias opinions are presented by such a nub. This Beck fellow is ignorant in the extreme and therefore ill placed to be a centre-stage reporter and political commentator. It's like they let the angry tub-thumping conspiracy nut from the end of the bar wander in drunk and stay forever.

yea.

..isn't the rumour that Beck is being dropped/leaving soon anyway ? He's not on their latest newspaper advert, lost 1 third of his viewing figures and, most importantly, has caused quite a few advertisers to cancel their sales spots.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:

Da Boss wrote:News shows shouldn't "cater", they should report what's going on. It's okay to have opinion pieces too, but they need to be clearly defined as such and not misrepresent the facts.

They do that on Fox though... There are news reports and opinion shows on the channel. I don't know how many people that make these claims have actually watched Fox News without any kind of prejudice.

The onus isn't on if there should or should not be political bias on the various networks, we understand that there is, (although coming from the UK, I am surprised and alittle disgusted by just how much blatant bias there is on Fox), rather it is that the bias opinions are presented by such a nub. This Beck fellow is ignorant in the extreme and therefore ill placed to be a centre-stage reporter and political commentator. It's like they let the angry tub-thumping conspiracy nut from the end of the bar wander in drunk and stay forever.

You say that as if it wouldn't be the best show ever...

Whether or not Glenn Beck is a nub, his show is opinion-based and isn't presented as news. As far as whether or not he's qualified as a political commentator, apparently enough people think that he is for him to keep a big enough audience to stay on the air.

I apologise for the confusion, I was responding to your point about Fox News, which I have watched and gotten that impression of, not Glenn Beck's show, which I have only seen out of context clips from.

Bias is fairly unavoidable, but I still think it should be kept to as low a level as possible.

Everything is biased. Other outlets are particularly eggregious as well (NBC, MSNBC, CBS). Its the only news one thats biased right wing. Its refreshing.

dogma wrote:Being a relatively wealthy young professional, I would not.

Oh well. I suppose you should start hoping hard now that the DOW doesn't do a nose dive like it did the other day. Of course, with Greece turning the Euro to dust, I'm making good money buying from Europe and selling in the US.

But seriously, I'd like to see it all come down. Jefferson suggested, IIRC that a country needs a revolution every 200 years or so. I think that the US is heading toward that as it grows more and more polarized and the Government seizes more and more power. Look at New York. Taxes are approaching the point the population cannot bare them, and the state is still not able to make payroll. How much longer before we see rioting in the streets in Buffalo and Albany, since it's the western part of the state that's being hit hardest. Most of the people out here are making very little money to begin with, and the state is taxing them for everything it can think of, including the number of trees on your property.

I'm thankful every day that being Seneca shields me from most of it, but it's approaching the critical point.

Edit: yes, but few other stations would put on anyone as idiotic as that hypocrite Glen Beck. Black does have one point: Beck has no right to suggest that he's outraged about anyone calling someone else a Nazi.

Frazzled wrote:

Fateweaver wrote:As opposed to the gak MSNBC puts out?

ALL MSM news networks are full of liars and outright gak heads.

Glad only Fox is the culprit though?

Independent studies show that of the cable and Big Three networks, in terms of trustworthiness polling inidcates that Fox is rated #1 for trust, with CNN just behind. These two beat all other networks. I like that.

In a related statistic with as much evidence 70% of people actually live on the moon and commute to work.

ShumaGorath wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

Fateweaver wrote:As opposed to the gak MSNBC puts out?

ALL MSM news networks are full of liars and outright gak heads.

Glad only Fox is the culprit though?

Independent studies show that of the cable and Big Three networks, in terms of trustworthiness polling inidcates that Fox is rated #1 for trust, with CNN just behind. These two beat all other networks. I like that.

In a related statistic with as much evidence 70% of people actually live on the moon and commute to work.

I've heard John Stewart is now the most trusted name in news.

But seriously, I'd like to see it all come down. Jefferson suggested, IIRC that a country needs a revolution every 200 years or so. I think that the US is heading toward that as it grows more and more polarized and the Government seizes more and more power. Look at New York. Taxes are approaching the point the population cannot bare them, and the state is still not able to make payroll.

Jefferson slept with his slaves and taxes are below what they were when clinton was in office.


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BaronIveagh wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

Fateweaver wrote:As opposed to the gak MSNBC puts out?

ALL MSM news networks are full of liars and outright gak heads.

Glad only Fox is the culprit though?

Independent studies show that of the cable and Big Three networks, in terms of trustworthiness polling inidcates that Fox is rated #1 for trust, with CNN just behind. These two beat all other networks. I like that.

In a related statistic with as much evidence 70% of people actually live on the moon and commute to work.

I've heard John Stewart is now the most trusted name in news.

Interestingly enough, thats the only thing in this quote string that wasn't made up.

ShumaGorath wrote:

But seriously, I'd like to see it all come down. Jefferson suggested, IIRC that a country needs a revolution every 200 years or so. I think that the US is heading toward that as it grows more and more polarized and the Government seizes more and more power. Look at New York. Taxes are approaching the point the population cannot bare them, and the state is still not able to make payroll.

Jefferson slept with his slaves and taxes are below what they were when clinton was in office.


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BaronIveagh wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

Fateweaver wrote:As opposed to the gak MSNBC puts out?

ALL MSM news networks are full of liars and outright gak heads.

Glad only Fox is the culprit though?

Independent studies show that of the cable and Big Three networks, in terms of trustworthiness polling inidcates that Fox is rated #1 for trust, with CNN just behind. These two beat all other networks. I like that.

In a related statistic with as much evidence 70% of people actually live on the moon and commute to work.

I've heard John Stewart is now the most trusted name in news.

Interestingly enough, thats the only thing in this quote string that wasn't made up.

I think it illustrates nicely how polarized the US is, and how little reality has to do with any of it. And no, New York taxes are now at record highs. Remember, it's not just the fed that taxes you.

I think it illustrates nicely how polarized the US is, and how little reality has to do with any of it.

Meh, Jon just doesn't lie on tv. His big thing is catching other news agencies doing so, which he does regularly and with humor. It's easy to build up trust as a comedian whistleblower.

I do think that one of the more entertaining things about this is here we have an American whining that other Americans are acting like Nazis. First of all: the Nazis just modernized ideas that the US invented, and used them all at the same time.

Death Camps? Check. (Andersonville/Elmira, anyone?)

Genocide? Check. (according to some estimates, over 60 million native Americans died, compared to six million Jews)

Inhuman medical experiments? Check. (Tuskegee, anyone?)

Total war/war on civilians? Check. (Fredricksburg? Sherman's Georgia campaign? The Wyoming Valley Campaign? The Harmar Campaign?)

I do think that one of the more entertaining things about this is here we have an American whining that other Americans are acting like Nazis. First of all: the Nazis just modernized ideas that the US invented, and used them all at the same time.

Please cite examples.

Death Camps? Check. (Andersonville/Elmira, anyone?)

Genocide? Check. (according to some estimates, over 60 million native Americans died, compared to six million Jews)

Inhuman medical experiments? Check. (Tuskegee, anyone?)

Total war/war on civilians? Check. (Fredricksburg? Sherman's Georgia campaign? The Wyoming Valley Campaign? The Harmar Campaign?)

There they are! We didn't invent any of those things and the nazis were better at most. As to the native american issue, the vast majority of them died from starvation or disease while still reletively segregated from american power. The same thing happened to the south american empires. Disease is a powerful and often times accidental weapon.

Jon Stewart is trusted? That poll must have been the opinions of the left. Jon Stewart is unfunny, full of himself and full of hot air.

I love how Fox news is so evil for being right biased and the ONLY right biased news network in the MSM but MSNBC, CNN, ABC and CBS are left biased and that's okay.

US didn't invent that stuff are you nuts?


Fredericksburg was total war? Er say again? Stupidity in attacking an entrenched position, but in what reality could this possibly be linked to the nazis?

Death Camps? Check. (Andersonville/Elmira, anyone?) Mmm yea.

Genocide? Check. (according to some estimates, over 60 million native Americans died, compared to six million Jews) What nutjob was estimating there were 60MM Indians in North America?
What about Spain, Portugal, and England? They opened the West. What about the Romans, Assyrians, Persians, Turks, blah blah.

Inhuman medical experiments? Check. (Tuskegee, anyone?)
*Yea that’s bad, but no way the US was the first. How about pox ridden blankets? All those siege guys throwing dead corpses over walls?

Total war/war on civilians? Check. (Fredricksburg? Sherman's Georgia campaign? The Wyoming Valley Campaign? The Harmar Campaign?)
Fredericksburg was total war? Er say again? Stupidity in attacking an entrenched position, but in what reality could this possibly be linked to the nazis?
Georgia was nothing to what the Assyrians, Mongols, Tamerlane, Romans, Turks, all those guys would have done.

Fateweaver wrote:
I love how Fox news is so evil for being right biased and the ONLY right biased news network in the MSM but MSNBC, CNN, ABC and CBS are left biased and that's okay.

It's as if reality has a left leaning bias leading to virtually every single non fox affiliate news station to report that way! Or it could just be that fox is a flagrantly biased excuse for a news network that utilizes a ludicrous amount of yellow journalism and knowingly lies to it's audience daily because it's audience is pretty fething dumb?

The truth is both of these things are the case.

Jon Stewart is trusted? That poll must have been the opinions of the left. Jon Stewart is unfunny, full of himself and full of hot air.

You're just mad because your vote didn't count sixty million times.

I'm not mad. Jon Stewart is a tool. He bashes capitalism when it's capitalism allowing him to get paid millions per year to spew his hot air powered rants; he falls into the same category of people who somehow think it would have been better for the US to have invaded Japan instead of nuking it when there is enough proof to totally invalidate that idiotic claim.

I used to watch Jon Stewart before he did the daily show because he was funny. Now he's a wannabe news reporter trying to be funny when in fact smashing my elbow repeatedly against a steel structure until I can no longer feel my arm and my elbow is mush would be funnier.

That's my OPINION of him Shuma. I know you'll try to claim my OPINION is false so go on with your bad self.

Jon Stewart's brilliance lies in making all those people think he's not exactly the same as the people he sends up on his show.

So being a douche who knows nothing about what he's talking about is brilliant?

My how the IQ test standards have fallen.

Fateweaver wrote:I'm not mad. Jon Stewart is a tool. He bashes capitalism when it's capitalism allowing him to get paid millions per year to spew his hot air powered rants; he falls into the same category of people who somehow think it would have been better for the US to have invaded Japan instead of nuking it when there is enough proof to totally invalidate that idiotic claim.

I used to watch Jon Stewart before he did the daily show because he was funny. Now he's a wannabe news reporter trying to be funny when in fact smashing my elbow repeatedly against a steel structure until I can no longer feel my arm and my elbow is mush would be funnier.

That's my OPINION of him Shuma. I know you'll try to claim my OPINION is false so go on with your bad self.

Ok. You're opinion is false.

Jon Stewart's brilliance lies in making all those people think he's not exactly the same as the people he sends up on his show.

When jon stuart first went onto bill O'reillys show years ago he spoke a line that I think is pretty pertinent in the situation. Bill was lambasting him for not being serious on his show when he criticizes other newsmen and he was calling jon a Hippocratic. Jon replied that his show came on after a show with prank calling talking puppets, and that it's sad that he is capable of being the same as the people he criticizes. His show is a faux news show on comedy central. If he is the same as the people he is criticizing then he has a pretty good fething point.


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Fateweaver wrote:So being a douche who knows nothing about what he's talking about is brilliant?

My how the IQ test standards have fallen.

For never knowing what you're talking about you always seem to know when others don't know what they're talking about. Do you have a show on comedy central?

ShumaGorath wrote:

I do think that one of the more entertaining things about this is here we have an American whining that other Americans are acting like Nazis. First of all: the Nazis just modernized ideas that the US invented, and used them all at the same time.

Please cite examples.

Death Camps? Check. (Andersonville/Elmira, anyone?)

Genocide? Check. (according to some estimates, over 60 million native Americans died, compared to six million Jews)

Inhuman medical experiments? Check. (Tuskegee, anyone?)

Total war/war on civilians? Check. (Fredricksburg? Sherman's Georgia campaign? The Wyoming Valley Campaign? The Harmar Campaign?)

There they are! We didn't invent any of those things and the nazis were better at most. As to the native american issue, the vast majority of them died from starvation or disease while still reletively segregated from american power. The same thing happened to the south american empires. Disease is a powerful and often times accidental weapon.

So, deliberately passing out smallpox infected blankets was an accident, and I'm curious what nation built death camps before the US? Are you also implying that the US did not, in fact, deliberately infect a racial minority with syphilis? Or kill thousands of Confederate POWs at Elmira?