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Space_Potato wrote:Farseer - Doom, Runes of Warding, Runes of Witnessing - 105pts
10 Storm Guardians with Warlock - Flamer, Fusion Gun, Destructor, Wave Serpent with EMLs - 247pts
7 Dire Avengers with exarch - Dual Shuripults, Bladestorm, Wave Serpent with EMLs - 248pts
5 Fire Dragons - Wave Serpent with Twin-linked Shuriken Cannons, Shuriken cannon, Spirit stones - 200pts
Fire Prism - Shuriken Cannon - 115
2 War Walkers - Shuricannons - 80

995 points.

How's that?
2 melee AT weapons, 3 AT shots at bs3, 6 at bs4 (one of which is on the fire prism), for 11 in total. The rest is a craplot of AI firepower.

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I would:

Make that fusion gun into a flamer.

Drop a ShuriCannon from the fire dragon's serpent.

Drop RoWitnessing from the farseer.

Change the fire prism into two more walkers with shuriken cannons. (Or drop all of them, and get three walkers with scatter lasers)

Add in a few more avengers.

That would be a killer 1,000 point list.

Strange, Inquisitor Syphonius's poat appears as 'last post' but I can't actually see it confusing...

:EDIT: Nevermind, there it is, just my computer being crap

Farseer - Doom, Runes of Warding - 95pts
10 Storm Guardians with Warlock - Flamer, Flamer, Destructor, Wave Serpent with Bright lance - 262pts
9 Dire Avengers with exarch - Dual Shuripults, Bladestorm, Wave Serpent with Bright lance - 287pts
5 Fire Dragons - Wave Serpent with Twin-linked Shuriken Cannons, Spirit stones - 190pts
2 War Walkers - Shuricannons - 80
2 War Walkers - Shuricannons - 80

994 points.

How's that? I implemented all the changes you suggested Syphonius, and changed the EMLs to BLs to pad points.

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It looks pretty decent to me. The problem with changing the prism to walkers is instead of a 60" weapon on a pretty durable hull, you've got a bunch of 24" weapons on non-durable hulls. Also, 2 walkers are $60 while one prism is only $40. But at this point, in terms of effectiveness, we're just talking about matters of personal preference. As long as you're debating between prisms, warwalkers, and falcons for heavy support, you're on solid ground. Storm guardians, Avengers, and Fire Dragons in serpents can't really go wrong either.

Just make sure to magnetize your serpernt and warwalker turret weapons, you will definitely want to experiment with different configurations, especially at higher points levels.

Ok then, I'll magnetise the options.

So I think the list is finalised (the 1000 point version anyway).
Thanks for all of the help and advice guys, hats off to you all.

And special thanks to Ixe and Inquisitor_Syphonius, for the fast responses, and all-round helpful comments

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Ixe wrote:Ugh. Unless you play against scrubs that list will disappoint. This is one reason not to set too much store in Crappa Crappa -- people insisting that footdar is good so long as you use Dark Reapers. It's so sad that it would hurt to lol about it.

The man wants a foot list and the title says casual. If it read "tournament winning foot eldar list needed" , there would be nothing to post.
You need to preserve troops in 5th ed and Dark Reapers at 1000 pts are quite viable and a target that takes fire away from the dire avengers.
Even War Walkers start to draw fire from a different type of weapon so the stuff that would have to choose between DAs and DRs will be shooting at the DAs no matter what if the choice is DAs or Walkers.

The problem with DR is that 1000 pts is about the limit of playing them as EMLs are fine for AV 10-12 but are really challenged as the vehicle count goes up.

Yeah, that's a good strategy, reading the first page of a 3 page thread and then berating someone for reading the other 2 pages and following the discussion.

Or you could, you know, read the whole thread, and see that we convinced him that footdar is super weak, and he decided he might try a mech list after all. Offering more gimptastic footdar at this point is too little too late.

Ixe speaks the truth, they convinced me that footdar isn't too great.

Although I have heard that it becomes more viable at bigger points levels, so I may give them a try in the future.

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Space_Potato wrote:Ixe speaks the truth, they convinced me that footdar isn't too great.

Although I have heard that it becomes more viable at bigger points levels, so I may give them a try in the future.

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You have heard baloney. It sucks at all points levels. The people who win with it do so because their opponents are doofuses with scrub lists. A hybrid list, that might work. But pure foot, no. Just don't bother.

Not to say footdar can't win against competitive lists...

They are however, the red-headed middle child of the eldar family...

I think they're more competitive at these point ranges:

600

1,250

1,750

Anything else is meh to be honest.

*shrug* to quote from a thread refreshing my knowledge for fifth edition...

Reecius wrote:"you can go Foot Eldar. This build gets a lot of net hate, but there are some very good players competing with them at the top levels of competition. This build revolves around Eldrad and an Avatar with a variety of either very numerous or resilient troops and support units. "

Ixe prefers a streamroller approach to opinions, the advice is very good but doesn't mean that it's always right .

Ixe wrote:

Space_Potato wrote:Ixe speaks the truth, they convinced me that footdar isn't too great.

Although I have heard that it becomes more viable at bigger points levels, so I may give them a try in the future.

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You have heard baloney. It sucks at all points levels. The people who win with it do so because their opponents are doofuses with scrub lists. A hybrid list, that might work. But pure foot, no. Just don't bother.

Of course I will be doing hybrid, but with the spotlight on the infantry.

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Atre wrote:*shrug* to quote from a thread refreshing my knowledge for fifth edition...

Reecius wrote:"you can go Foot Eldar. This build gets a lot of net hate, but there are some very good players competing with them at the top levels of competition. This build revolves around Eldrad and an Avatar with a variety of either very numerous or resilient troops and support units. "

Ixe prefers a streamroller approach to opinions, the advice is very good but doesn't mean that it's always right .

Bah, steamrollers are for pussies. It's all about the nukes

I just don't equivocate when it comes to helping people with armies. The "it's all good man" hippie crowd has cost me a lot of money when it comes to Eldar, by advising me that really bad units and lists were perfectly fine. I've learned what works in Eldar the hard way, with money and experience.

For sure, different builds are good to different degrees. There's no build that absolutely never wins, and if you're a good enough player you can beat people using really silly army lists. But when a player wants to start a new army, I want to give them the best chance of success-- the army build that is most reliable, easiest to use, and most forgiving. That's mechdar. It's not that footdar can't win, it's that it's very tough to use, especially against certain opponents, and no matter your opponent it leaves very little room for error. IMO, any army that's as hard to use as footdar is placed squarely on the "suck" pile. The fact that it sucks doesn't mean that it's unplayable, it just means that unless you're VERY good (or your opponents are VERY bad) it will make you sad more often than not.

Yup, solid advice.

I lean more towards the hippie crowd, because life is more interesting when people have different builds and GW stock is not pared down to YES/NO units (also, crazy games are awesome). But, of course, I am better resourced than I was as a kiddie - so your kind of advice may have been much appreciated then.

By way of balance, some articles
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2010/06/40k-so-you-really-want-to-give-foot.html
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2010/03/40k-tactics-winning-with-eldar-foot.html
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2010/03/40k-tactics-winning-with-eldar.html

Mr space potato, have fun with your Eldar. I think you've put out a few decent lists, so you're probably thinking correctly about tactics.

We give you advice, and he posts links to a blog!

The list on the one looks ok, I would personally make a few tweaks because of my style, though it does look nice.

I don't know why, though I read some of the comments, do not read the comments...

Well i'm posting this from my phone because my computer is down, so my replies may be a little vague.

I agree with Ixe, steamrollers are for pussies. I have no idea what Syphonius means by never read the comments, and thanks for the links Atre, I shall check those when I have real internet back.

Thanks for all the support and comments guys, you've been great help.

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Ha, no, I really appreciated the info from all you guys. But I'm allowed to supplement right ?

PS. This relates to a separate thread we were both on. dw guys.

Atre wrote:Ha, no, I really appreciated the info from all you guys. But I'm allowed to supplement right ?

PS. This relates to a separate thread we were both on. dw guys.

Yeah good advice on there as far as I read.

I agree, very good advice there, thanks again Atre for that; and yes, of course you're allowed to supplement

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