Casual Footslogging Eldar. Wait, *SERIOUS MODE ON*

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**Space_Potato**

For the old thread - http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/295446.page

Check my posts, it's now a 1k army, making the 1.5k list redundant.

I want a footslogging list, and Eldar just don't seem to cut it. So I'll go to my back up choice of marines.

S_P

**Zachar**

hi there , my suggestions are :

1. drop defend, power weapon and shimershield from the avengers, if they will be in cc against cc unit they will die. period.

2. apart frp, wave serpent, you have nothing that would be suitable for 13, 14 av vehicles, eml on the guardians might not do, and the avatar and wraithguard have low range

3. i have made an attempt to a footslogg eldar here http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/295392.page however i dropped the idea since that was to easy to kill

4. if You will be fightning against drop pod oponnent probably your troops will be flamed to death

5. no offense but I do not see this list as a competetive, it lacks long range firepower for me

**DAaddict**

I find the foot Eldar very heavy on firepower but not good at surviving. My concern would be how do you plan on dropping vehicle heavy enemies at range?

As is, you list should give a good go against fellow footsloggers but will be hard pressed to drop any AV 13+ lists. 1 TL Bright Lance and 1 EML will maybe kill one tank with AV 13 every 5 turns! Not good if you see a line of chimeras, dakka preds or something like that.

To follow your foot theme, maybe get some Fire Dragons in that one Serpent and then some Harlequins or Striking Scorpions for some HTH prowess.

I like defend on DAs. (I would argue that DA's can be more of a HTH unit than any CC-oriented aspect because they will survive.) However I think you would be better served with more firepower rather than defend
SS/PW go with double catapult exarch then decide if defend is still worth it to you.

Perhaps go cheap on your Wave serpent and downgrade its weapons and add BL or EML to your Wraithlords. Use that 4 BS for all it is worth.

**Wings of Purity**

For competitive games, dun use foot eldar, they are squishy

**SlaveToDorkness**

The DAs will benefit greatly from Fortune with the Defend/Shimmershield loadout. I have held off Genestealers for several turns with this combo.

**Con Carne**

I'm trying to do something similar, Space Potato, only I'm going 1850 pts, and as Iyanden as I can (few & small aspect warrior squads, at least one Wraithguard Troops block, two wraithlords, some guardians). DAaddict's suggestion to add some Harlies or Scorps is very good- either choice belongs in cover, hopefully guarding a flank that you expect a close combat threat will come from. The Banshees in a Serpent, on call to deliver countercharge justice to any part of the board, or just waiting to charge your enemies in general, is a cool concept, but it pays to have a second close combat deterrent lurking on your flank

After about 25 games, a dozen with Eldar, against Tyranids, Orks, and some Chaos, I often ask myself these questions when designing a list:

1) Can it hold objectives well? Answer: I'd say yours can, with 4 troops choices, three of which are good quality for holding points (I recommend you squeeze in a conceal for your guardians if possible, unless you normally play on boards bursting with cover.).
2) Will it be able to handle another army of the same concept (in this case, footsloggering)? Answer: yes, you've done a good job making footslogging IG, combat squadding Marines, Eldar, horde Tyranids and especially Orks hate you.

3) Ok, but what about a WALL of raw STEEL? Will the transports reach you mostly intact? Can you blow them off objectives, and have enough time to kill the troops inside? Can you disable the Leman Russes and Land Raiders and Predators of the world before they slaughter your men? How about Mech Eldar? Answer: I can only recommend more bright lances. Your wraithlords would love to have a gun in the event they can't reach the tanks in time, or a small squad of fire dragons could sneak into that Wave Serpent in place of the Banshees.
4) Can you withstand outflanking Genestealers/deepstriking Assault Squads with Librarian/similar painful things, and eliminate the threat before it takes down another squad? Answer: Yes, you can. I think your army is perfect for that.
5) Can you take drop pod hell and keep on chugging? Answer: Same as (3).

There's probably more vital questions out there, and they get increasingly paranoid and specific, but these 5 are good for MY metagame, at any rate. You have something here! Hopefully you can post a battle report with this for us to see, I'm curious to read what happens with it.

**Space_Potato**

Thanks for all the comments guys. I'd just like to make some things clear:
First off, I don't own the codex at the moment (will be purchasing soon)
Secondly, I'm not a win at all costs kinda guy, so I'm not gonna be too let down if I have to get my ass kicked a few times before
I start winning.

As far as tactics go, I plan to advance turn 1 and hunker down in cover, so I can make use of the short range of my troops Shuripults.
Then I will shoot the crap out of everything that comes close, retreating a little if necessary. Then I will make my big push for the far objectives around turn 4/5.

I was thinking of using the Lords and Wraith guard (at a push) as some CC deterrent as well. I sadly had to drop the BL's on the Wraithlords to fit the Wraithguard in.

Are Wraithguard all that worth it, they make a good tarpit unit (from whta I've heard), but they are very expensive, and I had to cut a lot out to fit them in. If I take them out, I can fit the BL's on the Lords back in, and add some more Guardins with an EML in. Thoughts?

If any changes really just aren't feasible within this army size, I am will ing to bump it up to a maximum of 2000 points (at that point I may be tempted to biggify it for tourneys though....)

Any comments and critisicms welcome, and greatly appreciated.

S_P

**mischa826**

Hi I use a semi footeldar list too

Maybe you could put the wraithguard in the wave serpent and have the banshees hiding on foot as a counter assault unit for your DA.
I haven't used the wraithguard that much, but they are alot of points, particularly at 1500.

Here's my list

HQ
Avatar
Eldrad

Troops
12 Guardians: SL
12 Guardians: SL
5 Rangers

Elites
6 Harlequins: Shadowseer, Deathjester, 5xkiss

Fast
6 Warp spiders: Exarch, powerblades, twin spinners, withdraw

Heavy
Wraithlord: BL, EML
Fire prism: Holofields, spirit stones
Fire prism: Holofields, spirit stones

**FlingitNow**

You have no AT to speak of, no mobility and a lot of slow moving short ranged guys that are easy to kill. Last time I played an Eldar footlist I tabled him in turn 2. You have no viable option to ninja so if someone has brought turn 1 assaulters you've lost immediately...

Eldar simply don't work non-mech unless you go for a wraithwall and even then they have severe issues.

**Space_Potato**

As I said, I'm working on th AT side of things, and mobility wise, I'll be moving everything forward turn 1, so I will be center board. I can move my units from here.

A unit of DAs can hop in the serpent if needs be to nab objectives. I'm still not sure about the wraith guard.

I'm working on an updated list, I'll include more AT, and possibly some jetbikes. I doubt I'll include the Wraithguard, they just seem too expensive.

:EDIT:

Here you go peeps, remember, I'm not too bummed if I lose, this army is mostly for fun

Farseer (Rune of Witnessing, Spirit Stones, Guide, Doom) - 130pts
Avatar of Khaine - 155pts
10 Dire Avengers (Exarch, Shimmershield, Power Weapon, Defend) - 162pts
10 Dire Avengers (Exarch, Shimmershield, Power Weapon, Defend) - 162pts
10 Guardians with Warlock (Missile Launcher Platform, Singing Spear) - 128pts
10 Guardians with Warlock (Missile Launcher Platform, Singing Spear) - 128pts
6 Guardian Jetbikes - 132pts
6 Howling Banshees (Exarch, Executioner) - 118pts
- Wave Serpent (Twin-linked Bright Lance) - 135pts
Wraithlord (Eldar missile launcher, Wraithsword) - 125pts
Wraithlord (Eldar missile launcher, Wraithsword) - 125pts

1500pts, with some more AT, and manueverability, at the expense of the rangers.

Comments welcome

S_P

**SlaveToDorkness**

The Warlocks are unnecessary in the Guardian squads if they do not have a power. I would drop them for another Guardian squad with a Scatter Laser.

Perhaps drop them and swap out the other EMLs for Scatters and get another WL?

**Space_Potato**

More Wraithlords are a no-no, I'm afraid, I simply don't have the storage space

I'm assuming the Warlocks have a LD superior to that ofthe Guardians, so I'm using them to keep them sticking around should they stray from outside the avatar's bubble.

Also, with a spear, they add a little more short ranged AT and a mild CC deterrent (stopping small infiltrating units from chomping on my Guardians). I won't get rid of the EML's, I need the AT, and they add some AI.

Thanks for the comments

S_P

**FlingitNow**

What happens if you're against an army capable of hitting you with 6 or 7 heavy flamers and then assaulting you in turn 1? What do you do against a Shrike list that can assault you with everything in turn 1? What do you do against basically ANY alphastrike list? You can't viably go ninja and you have few troops all very easy to kill.

If you need AT Brightlances would be far better in the guardian squads though with Bs3 even then I wouldn't expect much in terms of results... I'd certainly BL up the Wraithlords that would start to cover some of your weaknesses.

But you need lots of Wraithguard as your troops or you will just get tabled by any aggressive list.

**Space_Potato**

To address your first point, in laymans terms - I'm

ed .

I want the EMLs for longer range and versatility.

As I said, I don't care if it takes me a craplot of games to start winning with them.

S_P

**BlueDagger**

Avatar is the core of the list, without fortune he will go down hard.

As said earlier, no point in a warlock with the Guardians unless they take a power. 28pts of one shot at 12"?

EMLs on Guardian packs will fail you quite often. 50% to even hit and 50% to pen vs even a Rhino (35pts for SM). So now you have a 25% chance to even get to the point of having a 33% to down your target.

The 48" range will not mean much quite honestly, since you'll have to keep your Guardians in range of the avatar, which I'm assuming your going to move up field with?

**mercer**

If you're taking footdar why not take warlocks with conceal?

TBH you need wave serpents or else units like the banshees will never make assault.

**Space_Potato**

Ok, I just checked the GW site, and warlocks do not confer a LD boost like I hoped.
I will probably drop those then.

I've done the mathhammer, and the Emls will suck.
I may scrap this and take it down to 1000 points.

As you may have seen in the first post, Eldar just don't seem to cut it as footsloggers, so I'm going to choice number 2 of marines at 1k.

All comments and suggestions welcome, will have a list up ASAP

S_P

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Here's the list peeps:

Space Marine Captain - Relic Blade, Artificer Armour - 145pts
10 tactical marines - Missile Launcher, Flamer - 170pts
10 tactical marines - Missile Launcher, Flamer - 170pts
10 tactical marines - Missile Launcher, Flamer - 170pts
7 Scouts - Sniper rifles - 105pts
Predator - Autocannon, Heavy bolter sponsons - 85pts
Predator Annihilator - Twin linked lascannon, lascannon sponsons - 145pts

990pts

Any comment and criticisms welcome

S_P

**Ixe**

Eldar can be nasty as footsloggers, but only if you play wraithzilla. That means an Avatar with Fortune support plus 3x Wraithlords. That's a lot of really tough monstrous creatures to bring down. You fill out your Troops with Wraithguard and Pathfinders, because neither are easy to bring down despite being footsloggers. And then you provide even more assault punch with Harlequins, because they can run across the table without being shot, they can threaten tanks, and they make a great hammer unit that comes in behind the anvil of your monsters.

Now, when I say wraithzilla is nasty, I do not mean it's a top tier competitor. But fun? Hell yes. And there are quite a few people who manage to pound face with it. As you may or may not be aware, the tournament scene is not exactly stuffed with uber competitive lists and ultra pro players, I would not be surprised at all if you managed to win most of your games as wraithzilla provided you are more skilled than your opponents.

**SlaveToDorkness**

Psshh... why is everyone's solution always "switch to Mareens...DurpaDurp!"

**Madman49**

dude, footslogging, even though its fun, isn't the best strat, a few drop pods help, but never forget, devs are always good to take care of any big things that can chew up troops

**Space_Potato**

Hey, I didn't say the change was definate. I said they were a fall back option.

I will still be planning an Eldar army, but if that doesn't come to fruition, I will fall back to marines.

Eldrad - 210
Avatar - 155
Wraithlord - Bright lance, Eldar missile launcher - 155
Wraithlord - Bright lance, Eldar missile launcher - 155
Wraithlord - Bright lance, Eldar missile launcher - 155
7 Harlequins with shadowseer - 7 kisses - 184
10 Wraithguard - Spiritseer, conceal - 396
10 Wraithguard - Spiritseer, conceal - 396
5 Rangers - 95
5 Rangers - 95

1996 points

How's that? Is there a way I can get this to 1000 points? Is the Avatar necessary?

S_P

**Ixe**

That is a bitchin' army. Maybe not competitive, but surely fun, and it shouldn't lose every game if you play it right.

At 1000 points? You shouldn't even be playing Eldar. 1000 points is just unbalanced because some armies with ultra cheap or ultra versatile options are good, and others with more expensive, specialized squads are irredeemably bad. Get out of noob town and play real games if you actually want to do OK with Eldar. In noob town, Eldar are a bottom tier army.

**Space_Potato**

I'm doing 1000 because my local store does 1000 points games, they happen to be doable in around an hour.

I can bump it up if necessary, but 1000 points is my ideal.

Wraithzilla has proved to difficult to fit into a 1k army, so I am going back to the original concept of regular footdar.

Farseer (Rune of Witnessing, Spirit Stones, Guide, Doom) - 130pts
10 Dire Avengers (Exarch, Shimmershield, Power Weapon, Defend) - 162pts
10 Dire Avengers (Exarch, 2 shuriken catapults, Bladestorm) - 152pts
10 Dire Avengers (Exarch, 2 shuriken catapults, Bladestorm) - 152pts
6 Howling Banshees (Exarch, Executioner, Warshout) - 123pts
- Wave Serpent (Twin-linked Bright Lance) - 135pts
Wraithlord (Bright lance, Wraithsword) - 140pts

994pts

The Wraithlord and the Wave Serpent serve the purpose of anti-tank, I'm not expecting too much at 1k.
The Defending Avengers are deployed furthest forward, braced to take a charge, where the charging unit is Bladestormed by the others and charged. The Banshees can zip around and menace units as they please.

S_P

**Con Carne**

Well, yes, it is difficult, for the reasons Ixe listed. Is it possible to reserve a table at your local gaming store for a 2000 point game, or will the Store Elders strike you down if you try it? Because I suddenly want to use that 2000 point list. I want YOU to use that 2000 point list, it will make middle-aged men cry.

**Ixe**

Space_Potato wrote:I'm doing 1000 because my local store does 1000 points games, they happen to be doable in around an hour.

I can bump it up if necessary, but 1000 points is my ideal.

Wraithzilla has proved to difficult to fit into a 1k army, so I am going back to the original concept of regular footdar.

Farseer (Rune of Witnessing, Spirit Stones, Guide, Doom) - 130pts
10 Dire Avengers (Exarch, Shimmershield, Power Weapon, Defend) - 162pts
10 Dire Avengers (Exarch, 2 shuriken catapults, Bladestorm) - 152pts
10 Dire Avengers (Exarch, 2 shuriken catapults, Bladestorm) - 152pts
6 Howling Banshees (Exarch, Executioner, Warshout) - 123pts
- Wave Serpent (Twin-linked Bright Lance) - 135pts
Wraithlord (Bright lance, Wraithsword) - 140pts

994pts

The Wraithlord and the Wave Serpent serve the purpose of anti-tank, I'm not expecting too much at 1k.
The Defending Avengers are deployed furthest forward, braced to take a charge, where the charging unit is Bladestormed by the others and charged. The Banshees can zip around and menace units as they please.

S_P

It almost doesn't matter what you do at 1000 points, you're playing a bottom tier army at that level. I would just model all my guys holding white flags.

On the other hand, if the store is mostly 1000 points, that means it's probably a bunch of kids that have no idea what they're doing, right? In a baby seal clubbing competition, footdar might do admirably well if played by a competent player.

The thing is, the difference between your horrible footdar and a semi-decent mech list is a unit or two on foot vs. some wave serpents. There is no possible reason to go with footdar. It is just worse, especially at 1000 points. Waveserpents are actually sort of survivable in a 1000 point game, so your obvious answer to compete at that level would be to use them. More than one, for sure. I just don't understand the desire to make the nerfiest nerf that ever nerfed.

But, OK. You're right that zilla will not work at 1000 points. The Wraithguard are just too expensive. If I had to do Footdar at 1000? I would make an Alaitoc list. It would be:

Eldrad (for Double Guide or Double Fortune, plus Doom)

2x8 Pathfinders

1x5 Harlequins w/kisses, 2 fusion pistols + 1 Shadowseer with Kiss (counter-assault)

3x1 Double Missile warwalkers

This list has amazing firepower against monstrous creatures, which otherwise rule the board at 1000 points because it's so impossible to bring enough firepower against them at 1000 points. It's also very good against rhino level transports. It can survive shooting with Pathfinder cover saves and Harlequin Veil of Tears. Warwalkers are fragile but they have good range and can outflank when they need to. Three separate walkers will also make it harder for enemy tanks to avoid side shots from missiles. It pulls some very nice tricks as well. Guide both Pathfinder squads and doom their target, and that's a pretty screwed unit. Guide two missile walkers for some pretty solid anti-tank hits. Fortune the pathfinders if they're going to take heavy fire, rerolling 2+ saves = lol. Fortune the Harlequins and Doom their target, and that's a pretty scary clown troupe. It's not a great list, but it's better than a bunch of Dire Avengers running around on foot getting wipe out by heavy bolters.

**Space_Potato**

@ con carne

I don't know if they will let me book a 2000 point game, I will have to check.

Farseer - Runes of warding, Doom, Fortune - 125
4 Wraithguard with warlock - Singing spear, Conceal - 183
10 Dire Avengers - 120
- Wave Serpent - Twin linked Bright Lance - 135
10 Dire Avengers - 120
- Wave Serpent - Twin linked Bright Lance - 135
5 Fire Dragons - 80
Wraithlord - 2 flamers, Wraithsword - 100

998 points

Not so much footslogging anymore

Any comments welcome dudes.

Also, @ Slave to Dorkness

Father, I am apologise

S_P

**Space_Potato**

Nobody? No comments on the above list?

S_P

**Ixe**

That's a fail list. Fire dragons on foot = fail. Wraithguard in less than 10 = fail. Wraithlords with no weapons, in a list that is mechanized? Also fail, too slow.

Make it 2x Avengers in Waveserpents + 2x Fire Dragons in waveserpents, and you've got yourself an army. Still, a dinky 1000 point army, but 4 waveserpents can be hard to deal with at that points level. 2 waveserpents and a bunch of idiots on foot, not so much.

If you must use wraithlords in this type of this, they've got to be gunlords of some kind. When the rest of your stuff is mechanized, the only role for Lords is to skulk around the backfield and shoot. Bright lance + missile is the way to go, in that case. The only time you want a cheap close combat oriented lord is in wraithwall when most of your army is advancing on foot anyway. Then, the Lords support everything and are not left behind, plus they have psyker support to avoid wraithsight.

**Space_Potato**

Thanks for the advice Ixe, I'll take that into account.

What are people's views on War Walkers? Is there a strong build at this point's level for outflanking nastiness?

:EDIT:
I think mech is going to be the only reasonable outcome, but is there a strong 1000pt build with outflanking scorpions and war walkers?

S_P

**Inquisitor_Syphonious**

Yes, war walkers can be easily put into a competitive list. They're 100x more competitive then prisms, most of the time, certain lists can screw them up good, imperial guard spring to mind.

I always take 6 war walkers with scatter lasers in any list 1000 points and up, too good to pass up.