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Kick him right in the nerts.

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Go directly into his face, tell him what he said was wrong, and that you thought he was a bigger man than that. end with a look that is mostly pity. It works for me.

And whilst you're pointing and shouting at the boogeyman in the corner, you're missing the burglar coming in through the window.

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I wouldn't lack trust in your fellow employee if you have no reason, but it does seem a tad reactionary to bring a lawsuit that could easily cost your job.

Take it easy though; I don't know your boss, but simply having a conversation about it, seems a better option. The main point here is that you're being put in a position of responsibility, for an act you did not directly witness (hear, see, etc...). Don't risk your job in this economy, you WILL regret it.

I dunno... it just seems unnecessary to much of anything, especially if this is the very first time anything has happened. As to it just being a word, that is fine until it becomes a habit, in which case I would definitely consider doing something. Mainly I would suggest documenting it in some fashion, unless that means filing a complaint through the person accused. If your boss is the one that will read the complaint, it would likely be unwise to file it.


 
   
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Just a bit of an "update".

My co-worker and myself have decided to speak to our boss concerning the incident.
We planned to do so today,however he had left the shop to begin a brief vacation over Memorial day weekend,so we were unable to do so,however,he returns Tuesday of next week,at wich time we hope to speak to him.
Basicly we plan to be as "non confrontational" as possible,but to let him know we are both offended by the launguge he chose to use.
At that point the balls in his court,and his reactions,I suppose,will decide where we go from that point.
In all honesty, I belive he will offer a totally insincer "damage control" appology and attempt to sweep the whole thing under the rug.


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FITZZ wrote:In all honesty, I belive he will offer a totally insincer "damage control" appology and attempt to sweep the whole thing under the rug.


That seems like a best case scenario, simply because all you want is for him to shut his racist pie-hole.

As long as your boss doesn't gak through his mouth in the future, seems like your boots should be on the ground.

I still suggest your fellow employee that actually heard it, to be the initiator, and not you.

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Wrexasaur wrote:
I still suggest your fellow employee that actually heard it, to be the initiator, and not you.



This is good advice. And if he/she is in a higher position than you and gets sacked because of talking to your boss; well then you get promoted.

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Kanluwen wrote:
Karon wrote:Your boss is a complete piece of gak, Fitzz. With your background, I realize how you feel.

Those who are saying "Get his side of the story" are wrong. He said racist bs in the workplace, in the south no less, and should be punished.

Not sure, Fitzz, just not sure.

So what about blacks who say honky, cracker, etc at the workplace? Or how about anyone using Asian slurs?

That's racist crap too.

You can't punish people for saying words. Really. You can't.

The only time it even remotely comes close to being a punishable offense is if it's being used to start riots or to defame someone's character.

Normally i dont agree with you for anything , but i expected more from you than this...

Two wrongs doesnt make a right , and certainly not this.

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Kanluwen wasn't suggesting that FITZZ call the boss a 'Dirty Asian' or anything, he was saying that it works both ways, and that there's very little to legally stop it unless it's advocating racial violence.


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Although, if FITZZ does go through with that, I would at least like a picture of the guy's reaction.

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Emperors Faithful wrote:Kanluwen wasn't suggesting that FITZZ call the boss a 'Dirty Asian' or anything, he was saying that it works both ways, and that there's very little to legally stop it unless it's advocating racial violence.


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Although, if FITZZ does go through with that, I would at least like a picture of the guy's reaction.


I wouldn't call my boss that...first because I wouldn't call anyone that,and second...my boss isn't Asian.

Also,my co-worker and myself,along with our manager all heard the bosses "rant".

As a side note (even more to this story),a few years back a manager was fired for stating to several employes tha he (the boss) doesn't like "Black people",at the time no one thought much of it,but after hearing the bosses own words...it seems that the manager who was fired was indeed correct.


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The guy is obviously a pig headed assclown. But to be totally honest with you, I think you and your co worker should just get over it. I think at the most, you should tell the BBB and have it on file. That way if the guy does it again its at least been reported, and can cover your ass from getting fired for telling him you didnt like how he talks. Other wise its your word against his.


This could go either way. You could tell him about it, and get canned, or he will say sorry. Thats not very good odds if you ask me
   
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LunaHound wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
Karon wrote:Your boss is a complete piece of gak, Fitzz. With your background, I realize how you feel.

Those who are saying "Get his side of the story" are wrong. He said racist bs in the workplace, in the south no less, and should be punished.

Not sure, Fitzz, just not sure.

So what about blacks who say honky, cracker, etc at the workplace? Or how about anyone using Asian slurs?

That's racist crap too.

You can't punish people for saying words. Really. You can't.

The only time it even remotely comes close to being a punishable offense is if it's being used to start riots or to defame someone's character.

Normally i dont agree with you for anything , but i expected more from you than this...

Two wrongs doesnt make a right , and certainly not this.

Three lefts do, though. Why is there racist comments here? What does race have to do with anything? I treat people from different races better than one race; or rather retards for many races; 'the owners', the people /sarcasm/ who have the right to own people and call them ugly, nerdy, scary, gangbangers, 'lesser'. /sarcasm/ Why the hell do the 'owners' hate the Nazies if they are so close to them? (NOTE: I am not calling one race Nazies, 'the owners' as I call them, are the people who think a race is less than they are. In fact, I'm not calling anyone Nazies.)

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Emperors Faithful wrote:Kanluwen wasn't suggesting that FITZZ call the boss a 'Dirty Asian' or anything, he was saying that it works both ways


Ok?

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I hear it all the time being out here in the sticks, and actually got kicked out of an apartments because the neighbors kept complaining to my landlord when I had my '[see forum posting rules]' over. It's some BS but you simply cannot prove intent or wrongdoing by the use of a word. If a word can hurt people then I could kill you all. So your boss is a dick? Most people's bosses are dicks. Mine usually are I have only had a couple that weren't. Getting legal about his personal feeling when he's just frustrated and overstressed because people are waiting in line just turns a temper tantrum into an extremely complex law suit that will essentially lead nowhere. There's a lot of racist donkey-caves around here, and trying to call them on their choice of words is just pointless because the chances are the the judge hearing your complaint may be a racist donkey-cave too.

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welcome to America. you keep it up and people will say you are playing the race card. You can't be fired for voicing what you think is wrong. That is unless your company wants a big lawsuit. Using the N word is juat as wrong as calling a female worker "Sweet ass honey bun Mc Junk in da trunk" BLack people who use offensive language get fired as well.

And whilst you're pointing and shouting at the boogeyman in the corner, you're missing the burglar coming in through the window.

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No they don't. They get promoted.

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If he said the comments to you or in front of you I would say you had a case, overhearing something thought to be a private conversation though? Yes you get a glimpse into his head, but did you have a right to be there?

If you don't like your boss because of this development, fine totally understandable. Quit.

Suing him for saying it? I don't think you have a leg to stand on. Seems like sueing someone for their beliefs to me.

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sexiest_hero wrote: Using the N word is juat as wrong as calling a female worker "Sweet ass honey bun Mc Junk in da trunk".


I agree with you that saying "Sweet ass honey bun Mc Junk in da trunk" is just as inappropriate as using the N word, but mainly becuase I find the grammar of that sentence to be absolutely atrocious.

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FITZZ wrote:
Any ideas might help,especialy from any Dakkites with a background in labor law.


While i agree that what the manager said was abhorent and has no place in the workplace, i really do not think a few mispoken words that were not directed at you or your friend are cause for bringing a case against the man.

I would say the best thing to do would be take him aside and talk to him privately, and let him know how offended you were.

But seriously, if said said (insert racial slur/expletive here), i would be really put out if some bystander were to bring me to court for it.

Action needs to be taken, yes, but bloody hell tone it down a little.

Edit: To add a little, i'm Irish working in the netherlands for 6 months, and i have noticed that there is a strong undertone of racism here. I and other "buitenlanders" (outsiders, foreigners) are routinely given worse work than dutch of equal seniority, called "undermensen" (sub-humans, lower-class) to our faces, but you don't see me sueing people. People often are not nice dude. if you spend your life getting mortally offended at everyone for anything they say, you'll end up an emotionally emanciated wreck by the time you hit 50.....

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Mate, might want to edit. I know it's in context, but the mods might not smile upon it. I've been temp-banned for less here.

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CruelCoin wrote:To add a little, i'm Irish working in the netherlands for 6 months, and i have noticed that there is a strong undertone of racism here. I and other "buitenlanders" (outsiders, foreigners) are routinely given worse work than dutch of equal seniority, called "undermensen" (sub-humans, lower-class) to our faces, but you don't see me sueing people. People often are not nice dude. if you spend your life getting mortally offended at everyone for anything they say, you'll end up an emotionally emanciated wreck by the time you hit 50.....


It's not an overreaction to be offended by the 'N' word. He's well within his rights to be angry. Just because Holland is quite racist (and I must admit to being shocked at how racist the Dutch people I've met were - I thought they were supposed to be liberal...), doesn't mean that you should just accept it. I would hope that if you overheard someone saying 'fething stupid Mick bastards' you would pull them on it. I certainly fething would.

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Albatross wrote:
CruelCoin wrote:To add a little, i'm Irish working in the netherlands for 6 months, and i have noticed that there is a strong undertone of racism here. I and other "buitenlanders" (outsiders, foreigners) are routinely given worse work than dutch of equal seniority, called "undermensen" (sub-humans, lower-class) to our faces, but you don't see me sueing people. People often are not nice dude. if you spend your life getting mortally offended at everyone for anything they say, you'll end up an emotionally emanciated wreck by the time you hit 50.....


It's not an overreaction to be offended by the 'N' word. He's well within his rights to be angry. Just because Holland is quite racist (and I must admit to being shocked at how racist the Dutch people I've met were - I thought they were supposed to be liberal...), doesn't mean that you should just accept it. I would hope that if you overheard someone saying 'fething stupid Mick bastards' you would pull them on it. I certainly fething would.


Nope, i wouldn't be angry at that. We irish are naturally thick skinned, and we don't sue people for saying "boo" to us..... Thats just taking it way to far.

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CruelCoin wrote:
Albatross wrote:
CruelCoin wrote:To add a little, i'm Irish working in the netherlands for 6 months, and i have noticed that there is a strong undertone of racism here. I and other "buitenlanders" (outsiders, foreigners) are routinely given worse work than dutch of equal seniority, called "undermensen" (sub-humans, lower-class) to our faces, but you don't see me sueing people. People often are not nice dude. if you spend your life getting mortally offended at everyone for anything they say, you'll end up an emotionally emanciated wreck by the time you hit 50.....


It's not an overreaction to be offended by the 'N' word. He's well within his rights to be angry. Just because Holland is quite racist (and I must admit to being shocked at how racist the Dutch people I've met were - I thought they were supposed to be liberal...), doesn't mean that you should just accept it. I would hope that if you overheard someone saying 'fething stupid Mick bastards' you would pull them on it. I certainly fething would.


Nope, i wouldn't be angry at that. We irish are naturally thick skinned, and we don't sue people for saying "boo" to us..... Thats just taking it way to far.


I'm not talking about suing people, just being angry. If someone said that near me I would get fairly angry, fairly quickly. That's not unreasonable.

 Cheesecat wrote:
 purplefood wrote:
I find myself agreeing with Albatross far too often these days...

I almost always agree with Albatross, I can't see why anyone wouldn't.


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@OP: A "manager", eh?

By law, that manager *is* the company, and legally represents the company. His words carry a lot more weight than some random clerk, and the company can be screwed *hard* for it.

The easiest way to do this is to have a person of color take this to their nearest NAACP group, put it on the local news, and demand that the company apologize after firing the manager.

If you don't want to go that route, go to HR, place a complaint, and demand that your boss be replaced.

   
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JohnHwangDD wrote:@OP: A "manager", eh?

By law, that manager *is* the company, and legally represents the company. His words carry a lot more weight than some random clerk, and the company can be screwed *hard* for it.

The easiest way to do this is to have a person of color take this to their nearest NAACP group, put it on the local news, and demand that the company apologize after firing the manager.

If you don't want to go that route, go to HR, place a complaint, and demand that your boss be replaced.


The man who made the comments is not a manager,he is the owner of the company,he is the highest step on the "ladder of command",so there,in all honesty, is no HR to go to...the way things are set up,the boss has no one to "answer to" (other than possible share holders,if any exist).



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I think fittz is handeling it correctly for the first time he kew it happened. If he is racist then he wil be more tightl lipped. If he was not and was stressed out then he will watch his mouth more closly.

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FITZZ wrote:
JohnHwangDD wrote:@OP: A "manager", eh?

By law, that manager *is* the company, and legally represents the company. His words carry a lot more weight than some random clerk, and the company can be screwed *hard* for it.

The easiest way to do this is to have a person of color take this to their nearest NAACP group, put it on the local news, and demand that the company apologize after firing the manager.

If you don't want to go that route, go to HR, place a complaint, and demand that your boss be replaced.


The man who made the comments is not a manager,he is the owner of the company,he is the highest step on the "ladder of command",so there,in all honesty, is no HR to go to...the way things are set up,the boss has no one to "answer to" (other than possible share holders,if any exist).



Wow. That's brutal. Not sure how to help then. Because even if you succeed, it will be a Pyrrhic victory at the very least.
   
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It sounds like it's a franchised endeavor, honestly.

If it is, don't bother talking to anyone involved in your specific franchise. Go to the company itself and complain there. They'll start quietly investigating him, and then revoke his franchise if they find anything at all on him.
   
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Kanluwen wrote:It sounds like it's a franchised endeavor, honestly.

If it is, don't bother talking to anyone involved in your specific franchise. Go to the company itself and complain there. They'll start quietly investigating him, and then revoke his franchise if they find anything at all on him.


No, it's not a franchise either.

Basicly,the boss/owner built his business from the ground up,starting 20 years ago with a half dozen employes and building it into a company that now employes 120 + people.
Honestly,until I heard all the racist BS,I admired the guy for his acomplishments.


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