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2010/05/31 19:27:39
Subject: Israelis attack civilian ships in international waters
I would also point out that the anti Israel lot are very quick to say 'the US and UK should not support them at all!' but the majority of said nations citizens do not support this view. Id say its a very evenly divided issue, many of us support Israel almost entirely and not Hamas, and dont give me that 'i dont support them either' fence sitting lark, they demanded Hamas themselves. If you support the Palestinians, you support them. Im certainly of the opinion you have to pick a side in a conflict as aggressive and unending as this and thanks to Hamas especially (have you seen their kids TV shows?!) and Israel to an extent also, this will never end. Im aware im a terrible cynic, but i just cant see it. Well, until someone loses or we have all out war. Id also say that many of us are aware of the saying 'my enemies enemies are my friends' :-)
We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.
2010/05/31 19:28:29
Subject: Israelis attack civilian ships in international waters
Kanluwen wrote:It's pretty clear that the flotilla wouldn't just "go to a different port".
And had the Israeli's waited until they attempted to cross the line, then this whole situation changes to a fair enough course of action for them. What they did however is going to bring them bad PR and more condemnation around the globe.
Hell they even had a member of the Israeli Parliment saying she felt it was a bad move earlier on Sky news.
"That's not an Ork, its a girl.." - Last words of High General Daran Ul'tharem, battle of Ursha VII.
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2010/05/31 19:29:29
Subject: Israelis attack civilian ships in international waters
Albatross wrote:I think it's high time the Israelis were cut loose.
Never gonna happen, just because your view is extreme one way doesn't mean enough other peoples are to actually make it happen.
What, because nothing ever changes and people who were our friends yesterday never become our enemies tomorrow? Ok... well that hasn't really been borne out by recent events in the Middle East.
Forgive me if I don't have much sympathy for the Israelis, but when you have things like PM Netanyahu attending a celebration of the King David Hotel bombing - well, screw him. I think Zionists reap what they sow.
Kanluwen wrote:It's pretty clear that the flotilla wouldn't just "go to a different port".
I would love to see your amazing inside sources that give you even the slightest bit of backing to make a statement like that.
Would love to see yours saying they wouldn't.
The fact that they were there in the first place, rather than donating aid to the agencies that the Egyptian government was running that the Israelis approved access to is patently ridiculous.
2010/05/31 19:29:55
Subject: Israelis attack civilian ships in international waters
Yes they were, not denying that. However it was PLAIN AS DAY what they intended to do.
Violate the blockade and bring aid and possibly hidden weapons to gaza. Yes. We know.
Looking at this from a military perspective, I'm willing to bet they ordered the strike when they did mainly cause they wanted to strike during the night in the hopes that less people would be awake thus makeing the job of the boarding party much easier due to a longer approach before being discovered and more people sleeping and caught unaware.
And that turned out very poorly. It's as if this act that has everyone up in a tither was a bad idea. Something that shouldn't be defended.
Fixed your typo!
Yes I'm sure you'll shoot one or two of them. The report did say a few of the soldiers were wounded. Remember though, thats why you hate you. Because you defended yourself in a place where they had no right to attack you.
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2010/05/31 19:32:51
Subject: Israelis attack civilian ships in international waters
Danny Danon has said they were terrorists. Bet you Israel haters feel pretty bad now. That's from the deputy speaker of the Israeli parliament himself!
2010/05/31 19:34:15
Subject: Israelis attack civilian ships in international waters
Kanluwen wrote:It's pretty clear that the flotilla wouldn't just "go to a different port".
I would love to see your amazing inside sources that give you even the slightest bit of backing to make a statement like that.
Would love to see yours saying they wouldn't.
The fact that they were there in the first place, rather than donating aid to the agencies that the Egyptian government was running that the Israelis approved access to is patently ridiculous.
The difference between us is that I never made a solid claim as to something I have no fething idea about. Interesting thing, that. Also for reference the UN has stated that Isreal allows about a fourth the aid needed in gaza into gaza, so its quite understandable that people would want to circumnavigate the regulatory body that is intentionally and significantly reducing the aid to the region for security (read: forced flight from the region by natives) reasons.
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2010/05/31 19:34:17
Subject: Israelis attack civilian ships in international waters
ShumaGorath wrote:
Yes I'm sure you'll shoot one or two of them. The report did say a few of the soldiers were wounded. Remember though, thats why you hate you. Because you defended yourself in a place where they had no right to attack you.
What the feth kind of crazy pills are you on Shuma? Oh wait thats right... I almost forgot that you are the King of Strawmans...
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2010/05/31 19:34:31
Subject: Re:Israelis attack civilian ships in international waters
Did you know that the Israelis do not allow the importation of cement, chocolate, hair-conditioner, or pencils into Gaza? Their policies are illegitimate and serve only to strengthen support for Hamas.
PROSECUTOR: By now, there have been 34 casualties.
Elena Ceausescu says: Look, and that they are calling genocide.
2010/05/31 19:35:28
Subject: Israelis attack civilian ships in international waters
But, the $64 question is this: why did they board the ship, when there were other, less violent options? And why didn't they wait until they crossed into their waters? Why did they attack why they were in international waters? An Aljazeera news team was on board one of the ships, and from the video clips I have seen, I did not see any metal clubs, pipes, etc.
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2010/05/31 19:35:29
Subject: Israelis attack civilian ships in international waters
Soup and a roll wrote:Danny Danon has said they were terrorists. Bet you Israel haters feel pretty bad now. That's from the deputy speaker of the Israeli parliament himself!
A terrorist flotilla that informed Israel of its intentions to not enter Israel beforehand. Brilliant. Yes, I feel terrible after this clearly stunning and revelatory news.
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mattyrm wrote:I would also point out that the anti Israel lot are very quick to say 'the US and UK should not support them at all!' but the majority of said nations citizens do not support this view. Id say its a very evenly divided issue, many of us support Israel almost entirely and not Hamas, and dont give me that 'i dont support them either' fence sitting lark, they demanded Hamas themselves. If you support the Palestinians, you support them. Im certainly of the opinion you have to pick a side in a conflict as aggressive and unending as this and thanks to Hamas especially (have you seen their kids TV shows?!) and Israel to an extent also, this will never end. Im aware im a terrible cynic, but i just cant see it. Well, until someone loses or we have all out war. Id also say that many of us are aware of the saying 'my enemies enemies are my friends' :-)
I don't support Israel or palestine. I think both regimes are pretty gakky. I want to stop sending money to one of them. That doesn't mean I support the other. Stop turning the issue into am us vs them issue, it just speaks to a lack of clarity of thought on your part concerning the issue.
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2010/05/31 19:36:02
Subject: Israelis attack civilian ships in international waters
Oh look i even disagree with my mate on this one, i told you its evenly divided, whats the consensus so far? 50/50 for each? We should hold a fundraiser each, make a gameshow out of it! :-)
We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.
2010/05/31 19:38:55
Subject: Israelis attack civilian ships in international waters
isthatmycow wrote:An Aljazeera news team was on board one of the ships, and from the video clips I have seen, I did not see any metal clubs, pipes, etc.
And you never will with those idiots behind the camera. This alone makes me believe that this whole thing was staged JUST to get a response and generate bad press just based off this STELLER news agency's track record.
2010/05/31 19:40:20
Subject: Israelis attack civilian ships in international waters
isthatmycow wrote:An Aljazeera news team was on board one of the ships, and from the video clips I have seen, I did not see any metal clubs, pipes, etc.
And you never will with those idiots behind the camera. This alone makes me believe that this whole thing was staged JUST to get a response and generate bad press just based off this STELLER news agency's track record.
Al jazeeras a hell of a lot better than fox. What issues do you have with the network aside form the fact that you likely just think its a super biased islamist propaganda network (which it clearly is not)? What terrible and controversial things have they done that you can think of?
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2010/05/31 19:43:25
Subject: Israelis attack civilian ships in international waters
Even Benjamin Netanyahu has expressed regret for this horrific situation. I think some people in this thread fail to grasp the seriousness of the situation.
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2010/05/31 19:44:29
Subject: Israelis attack civilian ships in international waters
ShumaGorath wrote:
Yes I'm sure you'll shoot one or two of them. The report did say a few of the soldiers were wounded. Remember though, thats why you hate you. Because you defended yourself in a place where they had no right to attack you.
What the feth kind of crazy pills are you on Shuma? Oh wait thats right... I almost forgot that you are the King of Strawmans...
Yes, but by concentrating on the straw man you conceded your other points! I am the straw king.
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2010/05/31 19:46:16
Subject: Israelis attack civilian ships in international waters
ShumaGorath wrote:
Yes I'm sure you'll shoot one or two of them. The report did say a few of the soldiers were wounded. Remember though, thats why you hate you. Because you defended yourself in a place where they had no right to attack you.
What the feth kind of crazy pills are you on Shuma? Oh wait thats right... I almost forgot that you are the King of Strawmans...
Yes, but by concentrating on the straw man you conceded your other points! I am the straw king.
No, your just a fething troll who can't go a day posting on Dakka without starting a fight with anyone who will listen. For me, im done trying to talk to you. I tried to be civil, but clearly you are not man enough to carry out this discussion without being a tool.
Good day.
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2010/05/31 19:46:33
Subject: Israelis attack civilian ships in international waters
mattyrm wrote:I would also point out that the anti Israel lot are very quick to say 'the US and UK should not support them at all!' but the majority of said nations citizens do not support this view. Id say its a very evenly divided issue, many of us support Israel almost entirely and not Hamas, and dont give me that 'i dont support them either' fence sitting lark, they demanded Hamas themselves. If you support the Palestinians, you support them. Im certainly of the opinion you have to pick a side in a conflict as aggressive and unending as this and thanks to Hamas especially (have you seen their kids TV shows?!) and Israel to an extent also, this will never end. Im aware im a terrible cynic, but i just cant see it. Well, until someone loses or we have all out war. Id also say that many of us are aware of the saying 'my enemies enemies are my friends' :-)
I don't support Israel or palestine. I think both regimes are pretty gakky. I want to stop sending money to one of them. That doesn't mean I support the other. Stop turning the issue into am us vs them issue, it just speaks to a lack of clarity of thought on your part concerning the issue.
I'm roughly in agreement. It doesn't follow that just because you don't support Israel, you automatically MUST support Hamas! I don't support Hamas, but it's no mistery as to why the Palastinians would vote for an violent anti-Israeli nationalist organisation. Just because I understand it, doesn't mean I approve.
NEWSFLASH! Turkeys vote for the Anti-Christmas Party!
ShumaGorath wrote: Yes I'm sure you'll shoot one or two of them. The report did say a few of the soldiers were wounded. Remember though, thats why you hate you. Because you defended yourself in a place where they had no right to attack you.
What the feth kind of crazy pills are you on Shuma? Oh wait thats right... I almost forgot that you are the King of Strawmans...
Yes, but by concentrating on the straw man you conceded your other points! I am the straw king.
No, your just a fething troll who can't go a day posting on Dakka without starting a fight with anyone who will listen. For me, im done trying talking to you. I tried to be civil, but clearly you are not man enough to carry out this discussion without being a tool.
Good day.
Forgive me. When someone defends the killing of aid workers in international waters with bizzare cause and effect analogies that have quite literally nothing to do with the issue at hand and betray a rather powerful lack of insight or measure I tend to try and point out the ways in which they are hypocritical. You believe in self defense except for now. You even supported my strawman by saying as much. Now you are tired of being mocked and quit the conversation, but before doing so you abandoned your points. What was your deal with al jazeera? What happened to your magical cause and effect makes the Israelis right analogy? I guess they weren't important enough for you to continue talking about them beyond the one sentence castle doctrine analogy I made (at which point you stopped responding to any of my points concerning your other opinions). Could it just be that they were indefensible in the first place?
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2010/05/31 19:54:01
Subject: Israelis attack civilian ships in international waters
ShumaGorath wrote:
Yes I'm sure you'll shoot one or two of them. The report did say a few of the soldiers were wounded. Remember though, thats why you hate you. Because you defended yourself in a place where they had no right to attack you.
What the feth kind of crazy pills are you on Shuma? Oh wait thats right... I almost forgot that you are the King of Strawmans...
Yes, but by concentrating on the straw man you conceded your other points! I am the straw king.
No, your just a fething troll who can't go a day posting on Dakka without starting a fight with anyone who will listen. For me, im done trying talking to you. I tried to be civil, but clearly you are not man enough to carry out this discussion without being a tool.
Good day.
Forgive me. When someone defends the killing of aid workers in international waters with bizzare cause and effect analogies that have quite literally nothing to do with the issue at hand and betray a rather power lack of insight or measure I tend to try and point out the ways in which you are hypocritical. You believe in self defense except for now. You even supported my strawman by saying as much. Now you are tired of being mocked and quit the conversation, but before doing so you abandoned your points. What was your deal with al jazeera? What happened to your magical cause and effect makes the Israelis right analogy? I guess they weren't important enough for you to continue talking about them beyond the one sentence castle doctrine analogy I made (at which point you stopped responding to any of my points concerning your other opinions). Could it just be that they were indefensible in the first place?
Or maybe I just dont like talking to complete utter nutjobs who twist everything I say so completly out of context that even they dont know what the feth they are on about anymore.
You: We are going to argue point A.
ME: Ok, here is how I feel.
You: Nuh Uh! You are wrong!
Me: Ok... if thats how you feel
You: I like ice cream
Me: Wtf does that have to do with anything?
You: AH HAH! When you combine ice cream with point A you conceed!!!
Me: Yeah this is pointless, I'm done.
You: Ok, well now im going to attack you some more!! Cause I'm cool like that!!!
Me: -Sigh *facepalm*
I'm sorry Shuma, that you can't have a logical argument on dakka without resorting to mocking whomever is trying to carry on said discussion with you like a grade school bully. It really speaks volumes for your character.
And based on the pm's im getting, I am not the only one that thinks so. And like I already stated, I'm going to listen to them and ignore you. Not cause I can't argue my point, not cause I don't have anything better to do, but bacuse you just simple are not worth it.
Good Day.
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2010/05/31 20:19:15
Subject: Israelis attack civilian ships in international waters
Looking over what I have on had... unfortunately, yes, technically, what Israel did is an act of piracy under international law. Are they going to be called out on it by the IMB, probably not. The odds of Israel handing over it's war criminals are bout as good as the US handing over guys like William Calley (a man that, IMHO needs shooting just as badly as Joachim Peiper did).
Fate is in heaven, armor is on the chest, accomplishment is in the feet. - Nagao Kagetora
2010/05/31 20:21:29
Subject: Re:Israelis attack civilian ships in international waters
Mannahnin wrote:A lot of folks online (and in emails in other parts of life) use pretty mangled English. The idea is that it takes extra effort and time to write properly, and they’d rather save the time. If you can still be understood, what’s the harm? While most of the time a sloppy post CAN be understood, the use of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling is generally seen as respectable and desirable on most forums. It demonstrates an effort made to be understood, and to make your post an easy and pleasant read. By making this effort, you can often elicit more positive responses from the community, and instantly mark yourself as someone worth talking to.
insaniak wrote: Every time someone threatens violence over the internet as a result of someone's hypothetical actions at the gaming table, the earth shakes infinitisemally in its orbit as millions of eyeballs behind millions of monitors all roll simultaneously.
2010/05/31 20:27:34
Subject: Israelis attack civilian ships in international waters
Or maybe I just dont like talking to complete utter nutjobs who twist everything I say so completly out of context that even they dont know what the feth they are on about anymore.
Yeah that sounds like something I wouldn't like either. When run into a situation like that you tell me ok?
I'm sorry Shuma, that you can't have a logical argument on dakka without resorting to mocking whomever is trying to carry on said discussion with you like a grade school bully. It really speaks volumes for your character.
I also don't like arguing with children. I generally dislike holding discussions with people who predicate their opinions on what is seemingly nonsense. If you have a better basis for your beliefs I would be happy to get back into that discussion you were apparently trying to have.
And based on the pm's im getting, I am not the only one that thinks so. And like I already stated, I'm going to listen to them and ignore you. Not cause I can't argue my point, not cause I don't have anything better to do, but bacuse you just simple are not worth it.
Yes, rather than argue your point you're just going to listen to the PMs telling you you're correct. PMs from people who apparently don't want to post in the thread in question. I bow to you and your graveyard votes.
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2010/05/31 20:35:07
Subject: Israelis attack civilian ships in international waters
Yeah dont you go getting another thread locked Shuma ye wee scamp, you always feth up the ones i enjoy! :-)
We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.
2010/05/31 20:44:13
Subject: Israelis attack civilian ships in international waters
ShumaGorath wrote:Al jazeeras a hell of a lot better than fox. What issues do you have with the network aside form the fact that you likely just think its a super biased islamist propaganda network (which it clearly is not)? What terrible and controversial things have they done that you can think of?
I like Al Jazeera, and see absolutely no reason besides their name, as a reason to single them out as pro 'insert something here'. It isn't like there are many valid perspectives on common news subjects... right?
This is not an easily defensible act, and it really does seem like Israel took their domination into international waters. This was not an attack boat, it could easily have been let into Israeli waters, where it would not be quite as atrocious.
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