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Hi Chris.

Possibly the problem is that the publishers see dollars pouring in and are asking for more of the same. Maybe Meyer prefers it that way too.

Meyer can't turn young girls in to vampire loving teens imho. There is something that is striking a chord. Not going to claim she has tapped into the zeitgeist, but she has found a formula that works for a lot of young girls.

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squilverine wrote:

Sometimes it is just kinder to slip a pillow over their faces whilst they are sleeping and put an end to the pain

ShumaGorath wrote:I'm not sure why people are espousing white wolf as a superior mythos here. It's not really any better. White wolfs little clan setting isn't any more representative of vampire myths then twilight. It's more violent to be sure, but as soon as the underworld films actually manage to become good that will matter. Is this whole thread just repressed teenagers being annoyed that their favorite rpg book isn't the paramount fiction form for a fake movie monster any more?

But.. the original World of Darkness.. It's... awesome.. no connection, ..damn... hate nwod.... *grumble* ...I'm not talking to you anymore, you Brad Pitt fan!

Wraithlordmechanic wrote:

Orlanth wrote:I watched Lesbian Vampire Killers the other day on satellite, just to see if it ws as dire as hyped.

Twilight is a paragon of cinematic art in comparison, in fact I think pretty much anything is.

Trust me on this one, dont watch this rubbish. I could only stomach it as background while doing something else. Bersides James Corden and Matyhhew Horne are so irritaingly chavtastic I wouldnt mind if they met a sticky end.

You watched a movie called "Lesbian Vampire Killers" and you expected it to not be bad?
You should check your head for bumps or bleeding...

No I expected it to be very bad indeed. Whether or not I was 'disappointed' by what I saw depends on the interpretation of the word disappoint. I have started to nurture a hatred of James Corden since he bullied Sir Patrick Stewart on stage, but other than the odd snippet on YouTube I had seen nothing he was in, or in fact had heard of hi until his bhaviour dereww him to my attention. So I had to see the film for myself, and decided to watch it through because I was re-playing Baldur's Gate on my laptop at the same time.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Hi Chris.

Possibly the problem is that the publishers see dollars pouring in and are asking for more of the same. Maybe Meyer prefers it that way too.

Meyer can't turn young girls in to vampire loving teens imho. There is something that is striking a chord. Not going to claim she has tapped into the zeitgeist, but she has found a formula that works for a lot of young girls.

Meyer simply took a popular subject matter(vampires) that had faded out of mainstream literature after the boom around Anne Rice's novels and PG-13'd it up. The storyline of "girl falls in love with vamp and wants him to turn her so they can be together forever but he doesn't wanna' because her soul will be damned" has been done over and over and over again,but never really with teenagers. Because of the age(appearence in the vamps' cases),teenage girls can relate to the storyline better because they can more easily identify with the characters.

People who are sick of the vamp craze just have to wait. It will run it's course and fade to the shadows just like it always has. Fiction literature is cyclical. In fact,the urban fantasy/supernatural romance market is already starting to dry up.

Still,my sister had the greatest take on Twilight that I've ever heard...

"Yeah,I read the first book and read halfway through the second book,then I had to put it down. It was basically nothing but that insipid Bella whining about Edward and debating throwing herself off a cliff so Edward would come and save her. Really? All that for a 100 year old virgin that still lives at home with Mommy and Daddy? Sorry,Bella,no man worth a damn is saving himself that long just for you."

Yeah, I'm fed up with Vampires.

Well, actually, the term "fed up" would indicate that I existed in a state of being not "fed up" and that was never the case. Let me explain.

Vampires are parasites. Sorry, mishapped dregs that can't exist on their own and so have to steal the life of others. Hide in the dark, never come out, lonely freaks.

Like a tapeworm.

And yet vampires got romanticized and glorified into all powerful superhumans that don't have to fear the light of day anymore, look like Gemma Arterton/Johny Depp and are soooo cool, right?

So when will people start to romanticize tapeworms?

Yes, I know this phenomenon is related to the whole trans-human movement putting a mark on popular media though things like the superheroes comic books and stuff, but I still can't stand it. At least superhumans were conceived as being super from the beginning...

Don't pull transhumanism into this.


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His Master's Voice wrote:Yeah, I'm fed up with Vampires.

Well, actually, the term "fed up" would indicate that I existed in a state of being not "fed up" and that was never the case. Let me explain.

Vampires are parasites. Sorry, mishapped dregs that can't exist on their own and so have to steal the life of others. Hide in the dark, never come out, lonely freaks.

Like a tapeworm.

And yet vampires got romanticized and glorified into all powerful superhumans that don't have to fear the light of day anymore, look like Gemma Arterton/Johny Depp and are soooo cool, right?

So when will people start to romanticize tapeworms?

Yes, I know this phenomenon is related to the whole trans-human movement putting a mark on popular media though things like the superheroes comic books and stuff, but I still can't stand it. At least superhumans were conceived as being super from the beginning...

Vampires aren't parasites, that would employ a single path symbiosis. While thats a relationship they are capable of in most instances they are just predators given the lack of repetitious feeding with a single individual. Mosquitoes and vampire bats are not parasites and everything eats to live.

Unless you a Jainist, your own life is parasitic and derives energy from stealing it from other lifeforms.

(I'm not suggesting you are a mishapen cannibal btw HMV!
just to make that clear! )

ShumaGorath wrote:Don't pull transhumanism into this.

You've got a point here or what? The current vampire fad is clearly a byproduct of popular media assimilating transhuman theories and regurgitating them as Twilight crap.

ShumaGorath wrote:Vampires aren't parasites, that would employ a single path symbiosis. While thats a relationship they are capable of in most instances they are just predators given the lack of repetitious feeding with a single individual. Mosquitoes and vampire bats are not parasites and everything eats to live.

Flukes and fleas can feed on different subjects and they are considered parasites.

Vampires don't live.

You also missed the point.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Unless you a Jainist, your own life is parasitic and derives energy from stealing it from other lifeforms.

(I'm not suggesting you are a mishapen cannibal btw HMV!
just to make that clear! )

No, I'm not a cannibal. I'm an omnivore.

I could care less about any vampire craze, the concept is as cool as it ever was.

I have always thought of vampires as refined undead, after all that is what the idea is based on. Depraved individuals with little but their hunger to drive them.

Yeah, they are parasites though, at least as far as I see it. We aren't having a conversation about something real anyway, you could slap fangs onto just about anything and call it a vampire.

Vampires aren't parasitic.

Parasitic behaviour is totally different.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Vampires aren't parasitic.

Parasitic behaviour is totally different.

All "real", non glamorized, folk tale vampires needed human blood, and only human blood to sustain themselves. Thus they can be considered human parasites, or parasitoids, because in some cultures a vampire bite was always lethal. Mosquitoes or tigers don't care who they bite, a vampire does.

Again, that's not the point. Even if they aren't parasites, they're still based on a revolting concept that somehow got turned into things like Twilight or Rice novels. If we're doing it with cannibalistic rapists, why not with zoofilia or incest?

You're on.

Oh God, what have I done...

Regarding your latter point that was my observation early on in the thread. Vampires symbolise some unseen/unknown terror. They are a personification of the object of fear.

I don't think the Twilight take is without any validity, but am interested in how this cultural shift has come about.

I guess that there is always a sort of entropy involved in modern popular culture that domesticates and makes safe.

For example, and please don't scoff or laugh, unicorns.
If you asked people to describe a unicorn the majority will be a magical horse with a magical horn and aren't they beautiful sparkley and cute!
Whereas they are goatlike creatures with a horn, and flesh eating monsters that could only be tamed by a virgin. (Can wholly identify but that is another story )

Maybe, the reason is a positive one, of accepting with the darker aspects of the personality/culture. We also have science to explain away the terrors of disease and offer a hope of cure. Even AIDS because we know it is a viral infection loses its potential to scare us gakkless, since once known, we can at least take measures to prevent it's spread. The Mediaeval mind had no such reassurance of knowing how to efficiently prevent plagues.

.......Wait, so now we should hate modern unicorns too?


(Note: I know what you're saying)

Vampires should NEVER Sparkle. Enough said!

Why do they sparkle? Just, why? It makes no sense. Are they made of diamonds?

Prawnkus wrote:Why do they sparkle? Just, why? It makes no sense. Are they made of diamonds?

They sparkle because Stepehnie Meyer found it sexy.....now a whole generation of teenage girls will scream in joy whenever they see a pale man in the sun with sweat on his skin. =Shakes head=

I read the Twilight books (Don't 'urt me, boss!) for the ladies, but yeah, the sparkling was dumb.

However, after watching Hellsing (The anime) I kinda got back into the vampire craze. Alucard is what a Vampire hero SHOULD be. "Have you no sense of Honor? Your a being of the night and you hide in a preists clothes, like a coward! For scum like you, there is not even a place in hell!" or "Have you had fun? Slaughtering families and drinking their blood, and your not even thirsty? Your nothing but an Animal!" or my personal favorite "IS THIS TRUELY ALL YOU'VE GOT! EVEN AFTER GAINING THE POWER OF A DEMON YOU ARE WEAK! SHOW ME MORE POWER! SHOW ME MORE POWER!"

It should be said that the anime itself is terrible, and it doesn't follow the mythos of vampires at all, but it is worth watching for Alucard alone.

S'okay man, it's legal (just! )

Re: gltterballs: Watching the DVD was under the impression that is was to symbolise the uber, preternatural beauty/allure of Edward.

(Hang on a mo, Edward? EDWARD? what sort of name is that for a vampire?!!!)

It would have been so much better if was a sort of anti-glitter, a dark sparkle if you will imho

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Re: gltterballs: Watching the DVD was under the impression that is was to symbolise the uber, preternatural beauty/allure of Edward.

Really? That's...

umm...

really stupid.

And it shows how bad the writer is if he (or she) has to resort to that kind of writing tools.

Maybe they sparkle because someone thought they should in the world that she was creating? And if someone really has to take the time to criticize the maturity level of something from the "teen fiction" genre, what the hell are you expecting? Some nerds need to take a chill pill

Edit: Try glancing through The Host (her ADULT novel) before going to town on the writing. It's definitely a few notches up the totem pole.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Try glancing through The Host (her ADULT novel) before going to town on the writing. It's definitely a few notches up the totem pole.

So she can write decent adult stuff but is to lazy to write good teenager books? Sorry if I don't buy that.

Note that I haven't read Twilight and I'm going by the provided assumption that glitter = allure, which is bad, shortcut writing no matter how you slice it. The assumption however can be wrong.

Just to give everyone a laugh about vampires

From her interviews (you can thank my girlfriend for me even paying attention to this) you learn that she never even intended to publish the books. That's why the writing from book 1 is so much less developed compared to the 4th one. The glitter thing came from her researching vampires and thinking out how she thought they might "actually" be. She theorized that their skin would be cold and really hard from not having blood running through it... like diamonds. Insert sparkles Hopefully that clears it up some. It's probably better to pick up a book before commenting on it.

Asherian, I have no idea where you found that, but do you have anymore like it?

Well see what vampires have to do to get attention!

I have read all the books, and I have to say, Breaking Dawn Sucks. It sucks hard. I seems like it was written by a 13 year old fan fic writer in her basement, and that she gave it to Stephanie, Stephanie stole it and that 13 year old girl was never seen again. Aslo, I really do NOT want to see the new book she is writing, about Edward. "Ooh, I'm a vampire, I sparkle, have vicious sex with me in 9 months so we can start a vampire war and you can almost die!" Also, Robert Pattinson has awful hair. It's deathly disgusting.

chowderhead13 wrote:Also, Robert Pattinson has awful hair. It's deathly disgusting.

Millions of fan girls disagree I really thought Breaking Dawn was a step up. It's like all the crap you could possibly imagine bombards them at once. And don't tell me you didn't enjoy the idea of Bella being eaten from the inside out by her child? It gets so... very dark.