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Gitzbitah wrote:1.The ram hit happens immediately and simultaneously with the Deffrolla ("when ramming"- not before or after).

2. Is there a vehicle left in front of you?

Yes- Stop.

No- Continue ramming.

3. But the ram didn't kill it! The Deffrolla did. Go to question 2, and answer it again.

Except for the fact that you left out the very part that everyone is contending. It may also look like this:

1.The ram hit happens immediately and simultaneously with the Deffrolla ("when ramming"- not before or after).

2. Is there a vehicle left in front of you?

Yes- Stop.

2b. No: Did the ram destroy the vehicle?

Yes - Continue Ramming.

No - Stop.

3. But the ram didn't kill it! The Deffrolla did. Go to question 2, and answer it again.

That 2b is what people are missing. That the Deffrolla, although it happens at exactly the same time as the ram, isn't given permission to do what the ram does. The ram itself is what gives the vehicle permission to continue, not something that happens in tandem with the ram.

Last time I saw the quote for how the deffrolla rules read, it wasn't a weapon and merely stated that tank shocking also does Xd6 hits.

I'm willing to put money on that this won't be resolved within 3 forum pages.

It affects vehicles because the FAQ says so.

Also: "All rams are tank shocks, but not all tank shocks are rams."
If all rams are tank shocks, then you can ram a vehicle, in effect triggering any tank shock qualifiers and thus the deffrolla.

In_Theory wrote:It affects vehicles because the FAQ says so.

Also: "All rams are tank shocks, but not all tank shocks are rams."
If all rams are tank shocks, then you can ram a vehicle, in effect triggering any tank shock qualifiers and thus the deffrolla.

You're about three pages late. We're kind of beyond this one.

Simple solution.

To those who think the BW should stop because the actual ram didn't blow up the vehicle but the deffrolla did. Stop arguing about it and just bring it up in your next game with an ork player, if he disagrees.. your on your own.

To those who think the BW should keep going because the deffrolla is part of the ramming process. Stop arguing about it and just do as you will, if your opponent disagrees.. your on your own.

/thread

I think we've covered all the usual arguments by this point. Moving on.