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I think, after seeing the 'real' trailer that many people are being too negative about it.

I really do think now in the grand scheme of things, the films going to end up being thoroughly well, mediocre.

It'll get made, it'll make an adequate number of sales, entirely from 40k fans then sit in DVD collections and quite possibly be forgotten about.

And, to be honest, I think that's what GW is looking for, well, except the forgotten about part. The producer talked a lot about how GW wanted to 'protect their IP' and them 'refusing every major studio for years and years' and how they vowed never to ever have such a thing as a 'space marine lunchbox' or the like.

I guess if you're looking for an equivalence, think of it more as the Advent Children film as opposed to Spirits Within. It'll become fairly popular within the fan community but almost noone outside of it will buy it or even know it exists.

Compel wrote:I guess if you're looking for an equivalence, think of it more as the Advent Children film as opposed to Spirits Within. It'll become fairly popular within the fan community but almost noone outside of it will buy it or even know it exists.

And? Why is that a problem. Isn't that the same as most of the 40k novels out there, some of which are fantastic.

Contrary to what you just said the general opinion at gamesday after seeing the trailer I thought was positive, it's only when you log onto dakkadakka.com that you start hearing how the film looks crap.

Give it a chance at least. If you expect to be disappointed, you probably will be.

I just hope it does well enough for them to keep making more.


Stop whining people, its a movie. its got SPESSS MUREENS in it!!! be happy.

ok you can whine about them being Smurfs, but not a whole lot. there are Fists in it too

Sanchez01 wrote:

BrotherStynier wrote:Maybe its just me but after watching the trailers and looking at the screen caps. I thought "Oh Hey its Star Craft 1"

I probably wont watch this, or I'll be drinking when I do. One things for sure they aren't getting my money for it.

I will buy the beer...

You got yourself a deal, now I'll go find someone who will buy this "film". Hey maybe I'll get something a little harder than beer for the thing as well, we can turn watching this into a drinking game.

The Story may be fine because Dan Abnett wrote it, but I won't bet on it cause it could be something very simple he threw together in order to try and wrangle more people into it. I thought the Ultras were one of the things Graham McNeil was supposed to write really good.

BrotherStynier wrote:

You got yourself a deal, now I'll go find someone who will buy this "film". Hey maybe I'll get something a little harder than beer for the thing as well, we can turn watching this into a drinking game.

The Story may be fine because Dan Abnett wrote it, but I won't bet on it cause it could be something very simple he threw together in order to try and wrangle more people into it. I thought the Ultras were one of the things Graham McNeil was supposed to write really good.

Take a shot of liqueur every time the word Emperor is said,
Chug a beer every time the Ultramaires refer to themselves as the finest.
And a Jägerbomb evertime they say Chaos Scum.

I would also suggest a Magnerbomb (Jagerbomb dropped in a pint of Magners) for all the second they say the classic "For the Emprah!"

Seriously? You're judging a whole movie based on a trailer?

I guess I'm one of the few who learned not to try and figure a movie from mashed-up trailer. Never would've gotten to see Dark City, or the Watchmen, or Lock Stock...

Now me not being good with names, I can't remember the Marines name . . .

But in the first 3 Horus Heresy books there is that really old Son of Horus who is one of the remaining few from Terra. He definitely is described as if he is in need of a pipe, a pair of slippers, and a zimmer frame . . . with Twin-Linked Bolters ofcourse =p

Now, my views on the film. I'm not liking the look of the profile pictures (as seen on the bottom left of the homepage) they just look like bad quality marines. But I reckon that this could still have a good story line, and still be a good film. I just don't expect a lot from the animation.

Oshova

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Destrado wrote:Seriously? You're judging a whole movie based on a trailer?

I guess I'm one of the few who learned not to try and figure a movie from mashed-up trailer. Never would've gotten to see Dark City, or the Watchmen, or Lock Stock...

Agreed. Go back about 2 or so months and bring up the Dark Eldar, right before we KNEW they were coming out. Most people bitched and said how lame the Dark Eldar are, and "they dont need a revamp! They need to go the way of the Squats!"

So now fast forward to the Dark Eldar release thread. Go ahead......Ill wait while you read it..... Oh whats that? Everyone has their foots in their mouths? Weird.

Ill wait for the movie. I was also a bit let down at the animations of the trailer, but Im not going to say the movie sucks. Im still, and have been since the start, thinking itll be a good movie. Stop being babies and whining so damn much, you guys sound like my niece FFS

So what's beter, a bad 40k movie or no 40k movie?

This coming from a D&D player that has seen both of the 'official' D&D movies.

Better? A bad, Cheesy, 40k movie is better then no.

Its just what gets me is the trailer for Space Marine the Game, has a more HD looking Marine then the movie does... But what ever they used for that game trailer they should have used in the movie.

it's because financing 4-5 minutes of high quality CGI for a computer game is cheaper then maintaining that level of consistancy over a 70 minute film.



things like this can only get better with time.


our duty is to make sure that GW gets enough positive response from this to make another one. which doubtless will have slightly better graphics.


and honestly, people need to watch films for the story and plot NOT how much detail they can cram onto their HD TVs.

do you enjoy seeing Brad Pit's Pimples? lets level out the HD curve and watch movies for the content of the story.

Well when you go to see a war movie, what do you think of? Graphics, is the blood and guts going to be great and realistic looking or is it going to be cheap and noticeably fake. I like my war movies about bang bang boom and oh damn, you see that?. not Joanie Loves Chachi.

With cgi movies looking batter then that made several years ago, I pray that that one guy was right about releasing a poorer the actual movie quality trailer.

you are 100% right about there needs a plot, pointless shooting and guts is cool only so far.

but hey, the plot cant be worse then COD MW2

KingCracker wrote:
So now fast forward to the Dark Eldar release thread. Go ahead......Ill wait while you read it..... Oh whats that? Everyone has their foots in their mouths? Weird.

Ill wait for the movie. I was also a bit let down at the animations of the trailer, but Im not going to say the movie sucks. Im still, and have been since the start, thinking itll be a good movie. Stop being babies and whining so damn much, you guys sound like my niece FFS

People nowadays expect every CGI movie to be Avatar or Advent Children. Like every FPS has to be a Crysis or a Halo.

Not that I mind some eye-candy, but there is some value to lower budget productions too. Best example - the Transformer movies. Great CGI, crap story. If they'd spent less time obsessing over how many nuts and bolts you can see when they shape-change, and focussed on creating a story, then maybe we'd have a movie that marked a generation instead of some 30 odd minutes of fighting over two movies. I'll save my criticism for when I see it, and then we can discuss it properly.

Okay - I am a newbie here, but here are my two cents,

I was kind of taken aback by the animation quality - clearly I will now be expecting a "Machinma" (SP?) style rather than Appleseed quality.

That said, I do plan to support the film. I have read good and bad 40k books and comics. Not all the comics had art I loved, but story counts for quite a bit.

It is my hope the quality is still good enough to give a decent 40k intro to some of my sci-fi minded friends to at least interest them in the books, if not (hopefully) the game or models themselves.

If the animation quality stays the same, then hopefully the cost of production will be cheep enough to make many more movies - would love a guard and Tau film.

I really enjoy the 40k (& 30k) universe enough not to through the baby out with the bath water.

BTW - does anyone know the release date, and the cost of the special edition of the film?

the month of November was thrown around at games day.

AHHH thank you - sounds like something to arrive in my Christmas loot! (If I can wait that long!)

whatwhat wrote:
Contrary to what you just said the general opinion at gamesday after seeing the trailer I thought was positive, it's only when you log onto dakkadakka.com that you start hearing how the film looks crap.

Give it a chance at least. If you expect to be disappointed, you probably will be.

I WAS being positive about it

I don't think this looks too bad, but I really don't like the marines' helmets eyes. I have always seen and heard of space marines having lit up lenses in the helmet, due to internal displays for the marines, but with these eyepieces I wouldn't be surprised if they were all stumbling around asking who turned off the lights. Just my thoughts

I tried saying the same thing at the presentation to the producer, but went a different tact.

I tried to talk about how it makes them look a big lifeless and surely some lights would allow greater emotion etc. I then added, "or is that just going to be something they have added in post production or whatever?"

He basically blew me off bluntly and directly. "Well everything was checked with and authorised from Games Workshop and they didn't have a problem with it and there's always more things we could have added but eventually we had to say stop."

To be honest, I don't even think he could be bothered listening to my question and just gave the standard 'bleep you you dumb fanboy' answer when I was asking about more of a film making question than anything to do with GW itself....

Oh well, the film looks fine, not world shattering though, that's all what I meant by earlier. I know my personal hopes were for a LOTR style explosion in popularity but yeah....

As I said, it looks like it'll end up being mediocre. And to paraphrase Dilbert, "mediocrity isn't bad."

And at least I got a free t shirt and 2 badges out of it.

Teaser comes out - most people react negatively, core group of GW defenders start yelling at people they are not allowed to have an opinion yet because its just a teaser, not a trailer.

Trailer comes out - most people react negatively, core group of GW defenders start yelling at people they are not allowed to have an opinion yet because its just a trailer, not the movie.

No the movie is not out yet, final judgement is not rendered. But for god sakes stop telling people that they can't form an opinion based on what is released already. The whole point of teasers and trailers is to show great material and get people interested in the movie. If the teasers and trailers are receiving mostly negative reception, then it does not bode well, be reasonable about that much at least. No one wants the movie to fail who frequents these forums, no need to miindlessly defend it like it's in hostile territory.

Compel wrote:As I said, it looks like it'll end up being mediocre. And to paraphrase Dilbert, "mediocrity isn't bad."

Mediocrity is bad. Mediocrity means your product doesn't succeed, but also doesn't fail hard enough to force you to change your ways. If people tell GW that a Warhammer 40,000 movie will sell regardless of quality, GW isn't going to waste money on quality that doesn't translate to higher returns, are they?

MajorTom11 wrote:no need to miindlessly defend it like it's in hostile territory.

I don't really see how you can describe anyone who has posted so
far in this thread as "mindlessly defending it.

It's the cumulative total of threads on the movie so far, there are several instances of people telling other people that they aren't allowed to form impressions of the movie yet, as if having a personal opinion needed permission lol.

There have been major and minor instances of this througout the Dakka discussion. My only point is that they put out material from the movie, teaser, trailer, whatever, so that we could begin assesment, don't blame people for doing exactly that, whether they like it or not. Get's my goat.

I hope that clarifies my intent, no shot at any one individual, just my opinion on what is imo an incorrect line of reasoning.

Looks like crap

I'm not an hardcore GW fan but I think it's idiotic to judge a book by it's cover.

I don't think I said it was going to be a good movie, and I certainly didn't say it was forbidden for people to have an opinion, but for such an outburst of "this sucks" regarding a movie that's one hour (or more) long based on 1 minute of trailer... I was just advocating a fairer review based on the final product. But I guess the internet isn't fair

Destrado wrote:I'm not an hardcore GW fan but I think it's idiotic to judge a book by it's cover.

except when it's a picture book and the cover that's supposed to be an example of the best art inside and isn't all that good. as majortom said, trailers are SUPPOSED to stir up enthusiasm. if they're doing the opposite, you've got a problem. the trailer normally show off the best animation in the movie; if that's the best, i'll be redboxing that release and no more. (for all you non-US dakkites, the red box is a vending machine that rents dvds outside major stores for a single US dollar per day)

Destrado wrote:I'm not an hardcore GW fan but I think it's idiotic to judge a book by it's cover.

I don't think I said it was going to be a good movie, and I certainly didn't say it was forbidden for people to have an opinion, but for such an outburst of "this sucks" regarding a movie that's one hour (or more) long based on 1 minute of trailer... I was just advocating a fairer review based on the final product. But I guess the internet isn't fair

Absolutely, final judgement for the movie should be reserved for release! Based on the trailers/previews though, the art style and rendering quality are not where I would have hoped, nor do I think they presented compelling material story or visual wise as of yet. It doesn't mean it won't be there in the final product, but for me, the trailers were put together poorly and could have been far more exciting.

I will still def be watching it, and hopefully, the story will be there and I will be engaged enough to not nit-pic as I have with the trailers! Seriously, it could be a really great property for them, and a really engaging way to get new fans into the fold, I'm hoping for the best. Again, my rant was not directed at you in particular, but people on both sides regarding the movie yelling at each other that either they cant think it sucks because they don't understand what a trailer is, or people who say the whole movie sucks based on the trailer without seeing the movie. Equally wrong in my book!

ivangterrace wrote:Looks like crap

It's certainly hard to argue with that kind of reasoned eloquence.

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