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Asherian Command wrote:

ChaosGalvatron wrote:Not sure i agree.
Dorn got to feel like the 2nd favourite son when he was chosen to protect terra. what if he didnt and perturabo got the job?
Its like if Horus got overlooked for been the Warmaster and lion el johnson got that job.
In the fiction Dorn doesnt seem to have been tested. he was kept close to the Emperor and was too busy building defenses to ever doubt himself or his father. None of the primarchs would have turned to chaos if they were on Terra.

So so wrong.
Lion El Johnson??!?!??! WARMASTER?!?!?!?
WHAT?!?!?

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So guys you can tear apart my post saying thats not true. And thats not true. But I choose to believe what I believe. I love the Horus Hersey. I would usually devour lore like this but. Facts are facts. And you can't change the past. You can't just replace each primarchs traits with each other. They were named according to their abilities. It is pretty well stupid to do something like the Dornian Hersey. I will not read this at all.

Whats your problem with the Lion been an alternative to Horus as warmaster? The first primarch, the first legion, one of the most successful legions during the crusade (about on par with the luna wolves).
What would Dorn have thought if perturabo got the job of fortifying terra instead of him? Might he have become jealous?
Im not, and the people behind the Dornian project aren't trying to change the facts as they are. Its interesting imagining if events had happened differently, then the cascading effects would have changed the Heresy.
you can believe what you believe, thats great. I can believe that all of the primarchs were tested by chaos, that some of them failed and some were successful, and that if the events happened again they might turn out differently.

The Dornian Heresy is ok, the only part I really like is the Ultramarines, as that feels very different and original.

My only issue with it is since its presented as 'alternate history' they ought to have settled on a single point of divergence that leads to everything else. Its presented as being Horus's resistance to the taint, but several events are changed that precede that.

Jack

That's because not everything happened at one point. Yeah Horus turning was a major point in the Heresy but that wasen't when everything happened. So if he only focused on one event everything else would have stayed the same?

Like I said, its just a presentation nitpick.

This defines the issue of my complaint fairly well. If you posit a single change (for want of a nail, etc...) which the Dornian Heresy's opening fiction implies, you really need to stick to that.

Jack

Horus turning made the Heresy happen. None of the primarchs had the personal loyalty of their brothers to the degree that he did.
That's why the Lorgarian Heresy couldn't have happened - he was a dick and no one would have gone to the mat for him. In my opinion none of the other primarchs could have done half what Horus did, with the possible exception of Magnus, and that's more through sheer personal power than charisma.

Many of the primarchs equalled or maybe even surpassed him in one attribute, but only he had the combination to really kick the Imperium over.

The only way I see an alternate Heresy working logically is if the conspirators wait until most of the other primarchs could be taken out on the sly. Without Horus, they could never have gotten half the Legions to flip all at once, so it would have had to be a quiet, creeping corruption.


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Oh, and I brought up that they should have picked a single point of divergence earlier, and it is apparently "boring" to do that.

Bromsy wrote: In my opinion none of the other primarchs could have done half what Horus did, with the possible exception of Magnus, and that's more through sheer personal power than charisma.

Waht about Sanguinius if he had been a little more rotten at the core? He seemed like a pretty popular guy.