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Mr Mystery wrote:Why do women retire earlier than men?

Because women are horrible drivers and wear their tires out earlier, obviously. DAMN THOSE FEMALES AND THEIR TERRIBLE DRIVING!

Albatross wrote:Cool story brosephine, but I'd say a nervous (and brief) fumble at the age of 13 hardly qualifies as 'promiscuous sex' - that's what Cheesecat seems to be implying he has.

Who knows? He MIGHT be swatting the birds away with a 12-inch baseball bat... but I'm gonna go with 'doubtful'.

No I'm still a virgin but I'm just expressing my views about sex that's all, and obviously I'm interested in it. Puberty can begin as early as 10 or 11 years so it's quite possible for guys to be fully "developed" (in the crotch area) by 15. And no I don't

have a 12-inch penis nor do I go around bragging about how big my dick is. If a girl is curious about my penis then they better be willing to feth me because that's the only way they'll find out about my size.

Yes that is the reason why Twilight mom's start screaming when they see a guy with his shirt off in twilight. Nothing happens....

When a guy starts yelling and its a girl doing it in a badass manly movie, we get arrested. -.-


But there are tons of things no one will ever understand about women. Just like how They will never understand us. That is the mystery. Apart from that there is nothing I can say.

I like girls, they are soft.

Shadowbrand wrote:I like girls, they are soft.

HAHAHAHAHAHA.
They are like teddy bears sometimes. (speaking from experience.)
They are sometimes your best friend but sometimes they are your serial killer's aid.

Shadowbrand wrote:I like girls, they are soft.

Yes they are soft, especially when you can feel there ample breasts tightly pressed against your back or chest. Also I'm not surprised since you would probably feth anything that moves.

dogma wrote:

MasterDRD wrote:
Also, I agree that you should GTFO of that class as fast as you can. Feminism is a load of bull****. I mean I'm all for equality, but those bitches are crazy and we all know it. Don't let them turn you against your fellow man!

Oh, God no.

Really?

sebster wrote:Thing is, when people say women are crazy I'm inclined to agree, but am left puzzled at the assumption made that guys are meant to be sane. We really aren't.

Just so we're clear I wasn't calling ALL women crazy, just the feminists...

Monster Rain wrote:
I tend to dismiss feminist theory as I would the rantings of any group of extremists. I'm all for exchanging ideas, but there are some people that are simply too far outside of rational discourse to bother with talking to(BLAME THE VICTIM!). Just my 2 cents.

Well, I think we need to clarify what we mean by feminist. The woman that shaves her head, wears male clothing, and marches through the street proclaiming the superiority of the female sex is a feminist, but so is the woman that just thinks the glass ceiling is a bad state of affairs. Feminism doesn't mean radical, or even oriented towards female superiority, its just a body of thought that advocates female equality.

I fully agree that a lot of feminists are out of their minds, I always tell the story of the gender politics teacher that wouldn't let me in her class because she was afraid my overtly masculine appearance (I was a power-lifting 250 at the time, and didn't where sleeved shirts often) would stifle dialogue. She was a 2nd wave critical feminist; meaning she was basically G-baby. The type of person who thought demagoguery was a valid form of intellectual discourse. However, not all feminists are like that, and some of my favorite teachers in undergrad were in the WGSS department.

Yeah Feminists are insane...
One of them tried to convince me that Thomas Jefferson didn't write the declaration of Independence. His wife did......

Such BS, sometimes. They really need to learn that when you are talking to an intellegent History geek. Its like saying the french didn't surrender in WW2.

dogma wrote:Well, I think we need to clarify what we mean by feminist. The woman that shaves her head, wears male clothing, and marches through the street proclaiming the superiority of the female sex is a feminist, but so is the woman that just thinks the glass ceiling is a bad state of affairs. Feminism doesn't mean radical, or even oriented towards female superiority, its just a body of thought that advocates female equality.

Thing is, the posts here really don’t have anything to do with what feminism and feminists really are. That there might be a whole lot of feminists with reasonable and interesting views just doesn’t matter.

This is about male nerds complaining about how they’re put upon. The irony that they’re embracing the same combative dialogue and largely fictional oppression that the extreme feminists they’re complaining about doesn’t seem to matter.

I wouldn't be asking those questions here, all you're going to get is a bunch wailing at a fictional character. There are better places to get your information on feminist issues than a hyper-conservative wargaming forum.

Heh.

Sorry Chongara, but I happen to know that there is such a thing as feminist extremism. It actually harms your position to try and convince people otherwise.

@Dogma:

I know that there are reasonable feminists. But I know what you're saying, and it seems like you get what I was getting at.

When it comes right down to it though,I think sebster has this thread pegged.

sebster wrote:The irony that they’re embracing the same combative dialogue and largely fictional oppression that the extreme feminists they’re complaining about doesn’t seem to matter.

Here is a term used by Rush Limbaugh:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminazi

In this context, a Conservative could use it (the term) against liberal feminists- no small segment of the population (which includes NOW- an organization of feminists with .5 million members).

Monster Rain wrote:Heh.

Sorry Chongara, but I happen to know that there is such a thing as feminist extremism. It actually harms your position to try and convince people otherwise.

Any nutjob who takes up some kind of "Man-Hating" agenda or whatever is by definition not a feminist. It's like saying you have frozen boiling water, or feline parrots. Feminism is fundamentally about equality and any philosophy that opposes equality is inherently anti-feminist.

Does anyone here even know the definition of feminism?
Feminism
noun
the doctrine advocating social, political, and all other rights of women equal to those of men.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/feminism
now what you guys are talking about are the feminist that are portrayed in the media because they are afraid of the movement? and i ask you? why would you be against the equal rights of all humans?

Chongara wrote:I wouldn't be asking those questions here, all you're going to get is a bunch wailing at a fictional character. There are better places to get your information on feminist issues than a hyper-conservative wargaming forum.

Hyper-conservative..? HYPER-CONSERVATIVE?!?!?!?!!! GTFO. I'm the most Liberal motherf***er on the planet! (ok maybe not but I take offense to that! )

garret wrote:Does anyone here even know the definition of feminism?
Feminism
noun
the doctrine advocating social, political, and all other rights of women equal to those of men.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/feminism
now what you guys are talking about are the feminist that are portrayed in the media because they are afraid of the movement? and i ask you? why would you be against the equal rights of all humans?

Mmmk... There's the dictionary definition of Feminism.

And then there's actual feminists. And I don't think any of us are talking about 'media portrayal' of feminism, that's the brainwashing that course is doing to you. Most of the people in this thread (myself included) are talking about actual feminists we've encountered. And while there may be some feminists who aren't psycho-crazy, I'm sure there were also some Nazis who didn't hate Jews. Or wargamers who aren't socially awkward. (kidding!) They're generally the exception. The crazy and the stupid far outnumber the smart and the sane. If that weren't the case, Bush would never have been re-elected! (Or elected in the first place, but we all know Gore was the real winner. Bush only made it in 'cause his bro cheated for him with the voting "miscount" debacle.)

Chongara wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:Heh.

Sorry Chongara, but I happen to know that there is such a thing as feminist extremism. It actually harms your position to try and convince people otherwise.

Any nutjob who takes up some kind of "Man-Hating" agenda or whatever is by definition not a feminist. It's like saying you have frozen boiling water, or feline parrots. Feminism is fundamentally about equality and any philosophy that opposes equality is inherently anti-feminist.

Any nutjob who takes up some kind of "Person-Hating" agenda or whatever is by definition not a Christian. It's like saying you have frozen boiling water, or feline parrots. Christianity is fundamentally about love and any philosophy that opposes love is inherently anti-Christian. Ergo, to say that there are Christians who hate homosexuals, or Muslims, is fundamentally absurd.

Are both of our statements correct?

MasterDRD wrote:And then there's actual feminists. And I don't think any of us are talking about 'media portrayal' of feminism, that's the brainwashing that course is doing to you. Most of the people in this thread (myself included) are talking about actual feminists we've encountered. And while there may be some feminists who aren't psycho-crazy, I'm sure there were also some Nazis who didn't hate Jews. Or wargamers who aren't socially awkward. (kidding

Thing is, most gamers aren’t socially awkward. Some are, and those are the guys who keep mentioning their level 12 barbarian in every conversation they have, whether the other person is a gamer or not. Those people are more readily identified as gamers, and give the lot of us a bad reputation.

It’s the same with feminists, or Christians, or atheists or whatever else. The most militant and annoying are the ones who mention the subject the most, and come to be seen as representative of the group as a whole, while the more moderate centre is largely ignored.

Not that I think this really has all that much to do with actual feminists, militant or otherwise. I work at a university and a lot of people I know are pretty far left, including all kinds of feminists, and I’ve met one person who could arguably call themselves a militant feminist.

People like to feel hard done by, and for a bunch of guys in their teens and twenties, the myth of the feminazi is a useful fantasy.

sebster wrote:

MasterDRD wrote:And then there's actual feminists. And I don't think any of us are talking about 'media portrayal' of feminism, that's the brainwashing that course is doing to you. Most of the people in this thread (myself included) are talking about actual feminists we've encountered. And while there may be some feminists who aren't psycho-crazy, I'm sure there were also some Nazis who didn't hate Jews. Or wargamers who aren't socially awkward. (kidding

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People like to feel hard done by, and for a bunch of guys in their teens and twenties, the myth of the feminazi is a useful fantasy.

I believe I already mentioned I was talking from personal experience?

MasterDRD wrote:I believe I already mentioned I was talking from personal experience?

Yeah, did you notice I also mentioend I'd met a fairly militant feminist myself, one time. But then I think that’s one person out of the thousands I’ve met, and I think about the fact that that one person has had no impact on my life, or on the lives of anyone I know.

So I think it’s pretty safe to think of her others like her as oddities, with no real relevance. I think other people don’t do the same because the myth of militant feminism has a great enough appeal.

I've met quite a few. A bit more than quite a few, in fact. And not all in one or 2 places, or over a short period of time. Now it is possible that there are more who just don't speak up at all, but then the question is do they really count? I believe in equality too, but I don't consider myself a 'feminist'. In fact if we were to go by the dictionary definition and ignore any social stigmas/connotations, I daresay any decent person would technically be a feminist.

Orkeosaurus wrote:

Chongara wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:Heh.

Sorry Chongara, but I happen to know that there is such a thing as feminist extremism. It actually harms your position to try and convince people otherwise.

Any nutjob who takes up some kind of "Man-Hating" agenda or whatever is by definition not a feminist. It's like saying you have frozen boiling water, or feline parrots. Feminism is fundamentally about equality and any philosophy that opposes equality is inherently anti-feminist.

Any nutjob who takes up some kind of "Person-Hating" agenda or whatever is by definition not a Christian. It's like saying you have frozen boiling water, or feline parrots. Christianity is fundamentally about love and any philosophy that opposes love is inherently anti-Christian. Ergo, to say that there are Christians who hate homosexuals, or Muslims, is fundamentally absurd.

Are both of our statements correct?

I'm not entirely sure I'm well educated enough on Christianity to make that statement (at least not with any accuracy). It also doesn't help that Christianity is a fair bit longer lived and concerned with a great deal many more things than feminism. Feminism is something with a particularly well defined and somewhat narrow purposes - sex equality that hasn't even been around (or at least hasn't been relevant) for so much as 100 years. So it is a bit simpler to define what is and isn't wholly anti-feminist.

That said if If I had to simply give an answer, I'd probably give something like "Pretty Much" or "Close To". What I do know about christiany seems to make the central point roughly "Don't be a dick. No seriously, don't be a dick. Also Jesus is pretty damn awesome so all you other gods can gtfo".

Again though, it's very hard for me to feel comfortable making strong statements based on a single issue about a complex belief system that has been around for 2000+ years. Especially when I'm an Nontheist who has only at best read like, half the old testament and maybe 10 or 20% of the new testament and never taken any sort of formal class on the subject.



EDIT: However, certainly I'm sure there are people who are assigned the label of "Christian" or who attempt to take it that could not be honestly classified as christian by any stretch of the imagination, at least not by anyone who knows the first thing about Christianity (Note: not me).

dogma wrote:I always tell the story of the gender politics teacher that wouldn't let me in her class because she was afraid my overtly masculine appearance (I was a power-lifting 250 at the time, and didn't where sleeved shirts often) would stifle dialogue.

You should have promised her that you'd be the strong one and wouldn't give in to her advances until after class.

Ha! I did it. Took me five tries but I finally came up with one that wouldn't get me banned!

Chongara wrote:I'm not entirely sure I'm well educated enough on Christianity to make that statement (at least not with any accuracy). It also doesn't help that Christianity is a fair bit longer lived and concerned with a great deal many more things than feminism. Feminism is something with a particularly well defined and somewhat narrow purposes - sex equality that hasn't even been around (or at least hasn't been relevant) for so much as 100 years. So it is a bit simpler to define what is and isn't wholly anti-feminist.

That said if If I had to simply give an answer, I'd probably give something like "Pretty Much" or "Close To". What I do know about christiany seems to make the central point roughly "Don't be a dick. No seriously, don't be a dick. Also Jesus is pretty damn awesome so all you other gods can gtfo".

Well, in that case I certainly can't fault you for inconsistency. However, I think there are many who don't find such a method of defining ideologies to be useful. Rather, they merely say that a person subscribes to whatever ideology they claim to subscribe to, and an ideology may be faulted on these grounds, regardless of whether or not these people represent a "proper" implementation of the ideology's values.

I don't think this is necessarily the correct way to go about categorizing things, but I don't think it's necessarily incorrect either. Thus, I figured it was worth mentioning.

This crap sounds the same as when Black people around here, preach about how "the WHITE man keeps us down. We are oppressed by the WHITE man and all his holiness. No BLACK man can get a job in this state, because it all goes to WHITE folk." Yup, heard that in person, thats why its in quotes. Oddly enough I heard that at the unemployment office at the time.

I must be a black man too since I couldnt get a job


This crap is just that, crap. Anytime people start spouting off about equality my eyes glaze over and they sound like Charlie Browns teacher. I dont get paid enough, just like everyone else, I have gak on my plate too, I also have to pay taxes and deal with stupid people on a daily basis. Deal with it.

Orkeosaurus wrote:

Chongara wrote:I'm not entirely sure I'm well educated enough on Christianity to make that statement (at least not with any accuracy). It also doesn't help that Christianity is a fair bit longer lived and concerned with a great deal many more things than feminism. Feminism is something with a particularly well defined and somewhat narrow purposes - sex equality that hasn't even been around (or at least hasn't been relevant) for so much as 100 years. So it is a bit simpler to define what is and isn't wholly anti-feminist.

That said if If I had to simply give an answer, I'd probably give something like "Pretty Much" or "Close To". What I do know about christiany seems to make the central point roughly "Don't be a dick. No seriously, don't be a dick. Also Jesus is pretty damn awesome so all you other gods can gtfo".

Well, in that case I certainly can't fault you for inconsistency. However, I think there are many who don't find such a method of defining ideologies to be useful. Rather, they merely say that a person subscribes to whatever ideology they claim to subscribe to, and an ideology may be faulted on these grounds, regardless of whether or not these people represent a "proper" implementation of the ideology's values.

I don't think this is necessarily the correct way to go about categorizing things, but I don't think it's necessarily incorrect either. Thus, I figured it was worth mentioning.

Somehow It seems silly for someone else to be able to fault say, pacifists, because tomorrow me and a bunch of my friends decide to go out and start kicking puppies and claim we're doing it because we're pacifists.

I know. And it seems silly that some people should be able to fault muslims, just because a few of them decide to go out and blow up skyscrapers and claim they're muslims, right?

Chongara wrote:I wouldn't be asking those questions here, all you're going to get is a bunch wailing at a fictional character. There are better places to get your information on feminist issues than a hyper-conservative wargaming forum.

bs. I've met them. Take off your blinders and open your eyes.

I fully support equal pay for equal work, and equal opportunity.

I laugh/scoff at the militant feminists. They do exist. They are out there.

In fact, any form of militant hippism is wrong. Greenpeace and PETA come to mind.

Edit: And hyper-conservative makes me laugh. The off-topic area has both extremes in abundance. Liberal, Conservative, and Weiner-Progressives.

This thread is turning too serious.

Cheesecat wrote:And no I don't have a 12-inch penis nor..

So this guy walks into a bar and sees a foot-tall man playing the piano. He asks what it is all about and the barman tells him he'll tell him later.

So he asks the barman for a drink and the barman says,
'Before you get your drink you get to rub the magic beer bottle and make a wish.'

'OK,' says the guy.

He goes to the bottle and rubs it and, boom, out comes a genie, who says,
'You have one wish.'


The man goes back and makes a wish. There's a huge rush of sound and mass of feathers, and the bar is filled with ducks.

After the mess clears, he says 'what the hell man, I didn't wish for a million ducks?'

The barman replies, 'You think I asked for a 12-inch pianist?'

It's great to see that there are special classes for the slower members of the community so that they can get a grip on contemporary sexual politics.

I might note that whilst men are driven to dominate various aspects of their environment, women too are naturally inclined to collect as much and as varied genetic material as possible. Society affects us otherwise, and with good reason.