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Seaward wrote:

Torin the Wayfarer wrote:

Blood Raven 5th Company wrote:2 Can marines have familys (if chapter master allows it)?

A SM cannot have a family because those parts are removed during his initiation, unless your a Salamander, but i don't think they would want to.

This is one of those rumors that got started because somebody thought it made sense. There's absolutely no fluff to support it, anywhere, just to be clear.

correct

a marine is likely perfectly capable of having children. all the parts are there.


the real question is weather the Genethreapy has screwed with his DNA to the point of incompatability(unlikely, as the Primarchs and the Emperor had kids) with human DNA.

the main issue is that marines wouldn't have much desire to reproduce. some marines do show evidence that they do feel inclined to reproduce, space wolves for one. it is likely only chapters that are more compassionate to the plight of humans that are likely to have feelings towards the female sex. Space Marines are made very aloof and distant by their changes that they simply won't bond with a human so reproduction is unlikely.

in short, marines, in general, don't have the emotional capacity for reproduction. if they wanted to they certaintly could try, but their genes might prevent any results.

BluntmanDC wrote:

Blood Raven 5th Company wrote:
1. Why are there no boats or marine units in 40k?
2. Can marines have familys (if chapter master allows it)?
3. Can you have an army with both an inquisitor and marines in it? (i want to make a death watch army)
4. Can a Marine become an inquisitor?
5. Then are there captins in the death watch?
6. Can Marines take off their armour? i thought so but my friend thinks otherwise.
7. When a marine is recruited into the death watch, does that marine join a squad of other marines from his chapter?
8. Is it expected that a chapter world produce Regiments like another world of the imperium?

1. planets with water have boats, they are used to move supplies and patrol by the PDF, submarines are also used for this, a fair bit of fluff is refers to this such as the 'timescale of a planets death to a tyranid invasion' piece in a WD it said that PDF submersables were all destroyed by sea dwelling tyranid, seeing as 40k games are for the most part land based there are no rules for aquatic troops/ships.

2. no, a marines family is his chapter (as to the space marine penis thing, there is no fluff source to say they have non, it was just a fan fiction that got spread around).

3. space marines work with the inquisition either as allies or as haveing the inquisitor as an allie, rules for this are found in the deamon hunter and witch hunter codexs available from the GW website under their army sections, death watch on the other hand are only represented by a single allied unit choice, which maybe on the GW website.

4. inquisitors and marines have very different views of the IoM and the Emperor and being a space marine isn't a career, its a life, so no

5. death watch kill teams are either lead by a captain or a librarian.

6. yes they can, while a marine is in their monestary it is taken off so it can be maintained, if they didn't it would make pain-induced visions abit hard. i believe they wear monk like robes when not in their armour.

7. squads are mixed from different chapters.

8. most space marines worlds are feral to allow for the best recruits, and as their tithe grade is non, they don't pay taxes to the IoM in prodution, money or IG, however like already said some chapter worlds have large populations and have PDFs for population control.


lexicanum is your friend in things like this

Ed_Bodger wrote:A lot of your questions will be answered a lot faster if you just use a search engine especially as none of them are complicated.

ChrisWWII wrote: Let me google that for you.

Yes but does that get me more posts... And other people new posts. Lexicunum is great though.

Blood Raven 5th Company wrote:

BluntmanDC wrote:

Blood Raven 5th Company wrote:
1. Why are there no boats or marine units in 40k?
2. Can marines have familys (if chapter master allows it)?
3. Can you have an army with both an inquisitor and marines in it? (i want to make a death watch army)
4. Can a Marine become an inquisitor?
5. Then are there captins in the death watch?
6. Can Marines take off their armour? i thought so but my friend thinks otherwise.
7. When a marine is recruited into the death watch, does that marine join a squad of other marines from his chapter?
8. Is it expected that a chapter world produce Regiments like another world of the imperium?

1. planets with water have boats, they are used to move supplies and patrol by the PDF, submarines are also used for this, a fair bit of fluff is refers to this such as the 'timescale of a planets death to a tyranid invasion' piece in a WD it said that PDF submersables were all destroyed by sea dwelling tyranid, seeing as 40k games are for the most part land based there are no rules for aquatic troops/ships.

2. no, a marines family is his chapter (as to the space marine penis thing, there is no fluff source to say they have non, it was just a fan fiction that got spread around).

3. space marines work with the inquisition either as allies or as haveing the inquisitor as an allie, rules for this are found in the deamon hunter and witch hunter codexs available from the GW website under their army sections, death watch on the other hand are only represented by a single allied unit choice, which maybe on the GW website.

4. inquisitors and marines have very different views of the IoM and the Emperor and being a space marine isn't a career, its a life, so no

5. death watch kill teams are either lead by a captain or a librarian.

6. yes they can, while a marine is in their monestary it is taken off so it can be maintained, if they didn't it would make pain-induced visions abit hard. i believe they wear monk like robes when not in their armour.

7. squads are mixed from different chapters.

8. most space marines worlds are feral to allow for the best recruits, and as their tithe grade is non, they don't pay taxes to the IoM in prodution, money or IG, however like already said some chapter worlds have large populations and have PDFs for population control.


lexicanum is your friend in things like this

Ed_Bodger wrote:A lot of your questions will be answered a lot faster if you just use a search engine especially as none of them are complicated.

ChrisWWII wrote: Let me google that for you.

Yes but does that get me more posts... And other people new posts. Lexicunum is great though.

You really don't need to drag threads out just to up your post count. Which is a meaningless arbitrary number. Especially if those posts have little substance.

so you aren't a rediculously stupid person, you are just a troll, great way to make friends on a forum

No need to be so harsh, Bluntman. He's not trolling, he's just acting in a slightly newbieish way.

Seriously, Blood Ravens, no one is going to say 'well, you don't have enough posts, so I'm better than you!' and if they do, they're slowed. Seriously, when I was at a hundred posts, I had a long running debate with Nos in a ST thread. Even though he had like, 50 times my post count, never once did that enter the argument.

It's not the quanity of posts that matter, it's the quality. Even if your post count is low, but each one of your few posts is a well thought out, helpful one, you'll become a well respected member of the community. So yes, use the search function....doing threads for the sheer purpose of building up post counts is just a bad idea, and will probably get you placed on a lot of 'n00b' lists very quickly.

I am not too fused about post number however if i can up them and get answers on questions and feed back, and getting what people think its a good idea.

Blood Raven 5th Company wrote:1 Why are there no boats or marine units in 40k?
2 Can marines have familys (if chapter master allows it)?
There will be more questions...

There's not enough marine warfare to speak of. Space Marine tanks can drive undewater if need be it...And Chimeras can float...What else do you need?

No. They lack the reproductive organs necessary to even have sex. No way they could have families. Besides, what woman would want to have sex with a genetic freak like a space marine? They're huge!

Blood Raven 5th Company wrote:I am not too fused about post number however if i can up them and get answers on questions and feed back, and getting what people think its a good idea.

This is true, but the problem is that the questions being asked here are questions that have been asked so many times that people are sick of them. The 'Space Marine sex' thread is probably one of the more common ones that pops up. This type of information can be found through use of the search funtion, or even just google. I'm willing to bet if you google 'can space marines have sex?' you'd be treated to dozens of threads on tens of forums, and if you're really lucky maybe you'll get osmething from /tg/.

The point is, while it's nice to ask questions, make sure their questions that people aren't sick and tired of answering.

Samus_aran115 wrote:No. They lack the reproductive organs necessary to even have sex. No way they could have families. Besides, what woman would want to have sex with a genetic freak like a space marine? They're huge!

fan fic only, not actually canon,

although it would be like in 'the boys' comic, superhumans having sex with normal humans doesn't end well

YEah, GW doesn't exactly come straight out and tell us...We've got tons of fanfic speculation only, and as far as I can tell that speculation says the Marines have the hardware, they just don't have the mental softwar. Aka, they've got genitalia, but they have no libido.

BluntmanDC wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:No. They lack the reproductive organs necessary to even have sex. No way they could have families. Besides, what woman would want to have sex with a genetic freak like a space marine? They're huge!

fan fic only, not actually canon

Really? I thought there was a bit in DoW about it...ah well..

But still. It would serve no purpose. You can't pass on SM traits through anything other than gene-seed removal...You're children would be freaks of nature....

i have played every DoW game and that never was touched upon. even remotely.


unless you are talking about the DoW novels. those are ruled out of cannon because they were written by Goto.

Hey, who says the girl has to want the kid? Maybe she just wants to get laid with a Marine? I've seen weirder things....

Marines could definitly be seen as the hunks of the 41st millenium, but the marine might not be so willing to oblige.

he would likely be very confused

Grey Templar wrote:Marines could definitly be seen as the hunks of the 41st millenium, but the marine might not be so willing to oblige.

he would likely be very confused

"What do you mean: "boner"?"

Unless he's a Space Wolf or Emperor's Children Marine...then the willing roles may be switched around.

....I'm suddenly getting a horrible mental image. In the grimdarkness of the 41st Millenium, there are only.....fangirls. Legion upon legion of Blood Angels fangirls, choking every hive city with their squeeing.

Oh the horror.....

Grey Templar wrote:Marines could definitly be seen as the hunks of the 41st millenium

Some sources imply that astartes don't look quite human anymore. I think Raven's Flight and First Heretic both mention them having strange looking faces/proportions (I'd imagine they'd have very, very tiny looking heads). Throw in the lack of human emotions (barring Sallies and Spehss Puppehs), and I can't imagine that many would entertain romantic dreams about the marines.
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In regards to SM being incapable of travelling incognito-Horus Heresy Spoilers Ahead!

And you don't think that over 38 thousand years the definition of hot will change a bit? I mean, right now we've got thousands of girls screaming over an undead, sparkling, emotionless rock.....how can you not expect there to be some SPace Marine fangirls?

Do guardsmen retire?

It depends. What kind of legion\regiment?

So it changes between them? what about a small unknown planet regiment?

Afaik, there are no "Chapters" in IG. Penal Legions don't generally give retirement to their Prisoner-soldiers, as most of of them (Not sure if all of them are) are on death-row anyway (Death by random battle somewhere in the galaxy). Regular IG have varying service year terms (Depends on the government\ organization of the particular Legion\Regiment). If it's your own home-grown IG force, it's totally up to you.

Blood Raven 5th Company wrote:1 Why are there no boats or marine units in 40k?
2 Can marines have familys (if chapter master allows it)?
There will be more questions...

SM can breathe underwater, and orks have "submersibles"
marines do not have families. To astartes, they are pointless. They already reproduce via the organs.

There are boats in Wh40k it is said in the book "Heros of the space marines"

I think the Boat argument was touched upon in another thread. it basically boiled down to "If we need to transport something we'd shoot it down to the planet from space. If we need to destroy something we'd shoot it from space."

On the subject of SM families, There are many reasons. Space Marines, as mentioned before, can only be created via the organ transplant system, so having a marine reproduce wont increase the amount of marines, especially since there are so many planets where their main export is human bodies. In addition, the Marine's daily schedule leaves very little time for love, each brother only gets 15 minutes a day for free time. The inhospitable locations where they make their fortresses will probably kill any normal human anyways, not to mention how much of a distraction protecting non-disposable humans in their own fortress would be.

well, a marine wouldn't father a marine. the baby would be a normal human.

the benifit to having marines father children would be that he would pass his own genes onto them and that would at least qualify them for being potential marines. Selective breeding if you will. combine it with a hostile enviroment and you have perfect marine stock.


it makes you wonder why the Salamanders have such low numbers since their Members do live among the populace of what is prehaps one of, if not the, worst Death World in the IoM.

Can imperial guards men or PDF's have women in it? or do they all go to the sisters of battle?

Imperial Guard and PDF have women in it. Regular Regiments dont get reinforcements, so any extra guardsmen it comes upon are either the remnants of other destroyed Regiments, or kids born into a family within the regiment.

As for Marine stock, they explicitly recruit from feral worlds, deathworlds, and the criminal dregs of Hive worlds purely because they make for the most hearty of men. All other traits are ironed out by the implants themselves.

Questions will be answered in no particular order, as I was working out the multi-quote feature of the site. I do highly recommend using google, the site search here on Dakka, and the Lexicanum (A great source for anything lore based)...the Bolter and Chainsword is also a great source for combing through for Marine based lore, they know their Astartes. Posting simply to up your post count will make people ignore you in the future, especially if they're questions you could have sourced yourself with a little effort.

Your post count means little. Whether you have many posts like some in this thread, or few like myself, people will still read and listen to you. The only difference will be in how well you are known on these boards.....but no-one really wants a reputation as a troll anyway.

Blood Raven 5th Company wrote:1 Why are there no boats or marine units in 40k?
2 Can marines have familys (if chapter master allows it)?
There will be more questions...

There are boats and marine units in the 40, they are just generally glossed over by the sci-fi aspects. Most of the time, it's far more effective to simply deploy units straight into the needed areas from space.

However, there are boats, and there are marine units. Chimeras, the most common transport of the Imperial Guard is an amphibious transport.

Space Marines are physically capable of having children, at least there is no lore to tell us otherwise. The Chapter Master before Pedro Kantor of the Crimson Fists actually implemented a breeding program to attempt to bolster the ranks of genetically suitable aspirants, using failed aspirants as the 'stock'. However, they lack the inclination to do so. Hypno-therapy, seeing themselves as being vastly different to the normal human, as well as having a lack of libido keeps their minds specifically trained on battle and dealing death.

I suppose if ordered they would do so, or if the hypno-therapy didn't quite take the whole way. (This would be the rarest of the rare though, and the chances of him ever actually acting on it at all would be almost nil, as the company Chaplain would advise against it.)

Blood Raven 5th Company wrote:Can you have an army with both an inquisitor and marines in it? (i want to make a death watch army)

Yes. The current Daemonhunters army can field both. It's generally considered an underpowered army however unless in the hands of a very capable commander.

Blood Raven 5th Company wrote:Can a Marine become an inquisitor?

No. Inquisitors are regular humans, generally selected for training either from the Schola Progenium or the Black Ships if they show particular psychic talent.

Blood Raven 5th Company wrote:When i said that i meant more what ranks are there?

There are generally two ranks, you're either a Captain in the Deathwatch, or you aren't. Chaplains, Librarians and the like also serve in the Deathwatch, as well as marines serving in their accustomed roles (Devastator, Assault Marine, etc.).

Blood Raven 5th Company wrote:When a marine is recruited into the death watch, does that marine join a squad of other marines from his chapter?

No. A Deathwatch Squad is comprised of marines from a variety of chapters. An individual squad of seven could be a Black Templar, Space Wolf, Ultramarine, Blood Angel and two Crimson Fists who are all led by an Imperial Fist. Some Chapters are more common than others in the Deathwatch, such as the Black Templars and Imperial Fists, with the most common of all being the Crimson Fists.

Blood Raven 5th Company wrote:Is it expected that a chapter world produce Regiments like another world of the imperium?

No. A Chapter world is not expected to raise Imperial Guard regiments. It is much like a Forge World, Shrine World, or several other classifications of Imperial planet in this regard. In fact, most won't raise Guard regiments, although they will have an above-standard PDF as the genetic-stock will be much higher. Their duty to the Imperium begins and ends with their duty to their Chapter.

Blood Raven 5th Company wrote:Do guardsmen retire?

Some do, some don't. Depends on world, and culture. Cadians will never retire, and expect to die in battle, as do Mordians, Catachans, and most of the more easily recognised Guard regiments. However, during Crusades, pacification of a new world can lead to a guard regiment being allowed to retire and be amoung the founding settlers of the new world, most of the officers forming it's ruling class.

Blood Raven 5th Company wrote:Can imperial guards men or PDF's have women in it? or do they all go to the sisters of battle?

Yes, the Imperial Guard can and will field women. Children between those in the regiment, as well as civilians and those in the regiment is one of the primary ways the regiments numbers are replenished, as few are the worlds that will reinforce their regiments already in the field.

The Sisters of Battle are a special case, and are chosen much in the same way as Space Marines, although the standards are less strict due to less implantation. They are chosen from the most faithful of those in the Schola Progenium.