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Asgeirr Darkwolf wrote:The title is pretty self explanatory, and I was suprised that there was no thread like this so far (at least as far as the search could tell).

So, what IS the biggest failure you've ever seen either in fluff, GW, real life, or in games? The list should be pretty long.

If there is/was a previous thread like this, my apologies. I could not find any like it, so I thought I'd make one. Just let me know!

I'll get the ball rolling with this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WRSxGUmSbs

I mean seriously, charging a tide of orks? UPHILL? Man, those guys deserved to die... though they were getting charged, but still!

Yeah, pretty epic fail. It wasn't even a 'tide' of orks. More like a unit of boyz versus at least 10 spesh marines and a dreadnough....

Biggest 40k Fails?
Mandrakes. In a Raider, with an Archon. The new mandrakes, I mean.

In a team game of SM and tyranids vs Chaos, dawn of war deployment. My friend walks his MM equipped dread onto the table rolls fire frenzy. He turns to the land raider he just put on the table about 8" away and blows it to hell. He's never taken a dreadnought again, lol.

Also, I had Eldrad joined to a squad of Banshees and got charged by a full squad of khorne beserkers(my bad). Eldrad passes everyone of his fortunes saves that turn and takes out a couple beserkers. Next turn, cast fortune. 11 on the psychic test. Cast fortune again. 11 on the psychic test. During CC, the beserkers put three wounds on me and I fail all three saves.

That same game, I had just blew up a rhino or some such with my wraithguard. Out come a squad of regular chaos marines, no biggy right? They charge, roll 7 or so 6s to wound and I can't make one 3+ save. fml.

blood angels and space wolves.

GamzaTheChaos wrote:blood angels and space wolves.

Why, exactly? Can I have a legitimate reason? kthxs

Punctuation and grammar fail rather hard on 40k forums at times.

In a game against Tau with my old space wolves in 4th edition by turn 3 all my units except my wolf lord with one wound left and 1 land speeder with no weapons left. My wolf lord then managed to cc almost his entire army including farsight, making well over 60 some armour saves and invul saves except one which i was able to re-roll with some special item (name escapes me now). Leaving him with only 2 stealth suits and a hammerhead. The hammerhead spent the next 3 turns shooting at the wolf lord. meanwhile my land speeder spent the rest of the game just zooming around the board. I made him shoot down the land speeder before ending the game.

In my game tonight: Lysander and Librarian with a squad of Sternguard use Gate of Infinity to teleport within about 6 inches of my Long Fangs, wiping them out with AP3 bolter fire. They're all bunched up, and my Vindicator comes on - just in range to fire a nice, fat large blast to hit 'em all (no cover saves!). So what happens? The blast scatters 7 inches, hits my own Rhino, and blows the Storm bolter off.

Kharn charges into combat alongside five berzerkers. Rolls five ones, Kharn fights alone. (Then gets punk'd by Grey Hunters)

And come on, no mention for Boreale?

5 Meganobz versus immobilzed Predator Tank. 9 penetrating hits. Eight ones and a two.

Sandman - in 5th yuo just take a wound, not die outright. Which helps!

Dok - You dont roll CHaos dreads powers when you walk on from reserves, as a) it is done before they move on, and b) if you roll fire frenzy it doesnt make it onto the table. AS this is a unit special rule that could stop a unit from entering play, it is ignored for that turn.

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Fluff wise (and if I remembered correctly), how the Crimson Fists' Fortress-monastary was destroyed by a stray bullet...

You can't criticize the original bit of 40k fluff! And it was a big-arse rocket, not a stray bullet

That picture on the original rulebook, and what it represents, epitomises what 40k is all about - of brave heroes making a last stand in a universe that really wants to kill them, but ultimately dying.

Personally I think the biggest fail has been the 'turning' of Horus in False Gods. The biggest event in the entire 40k universe (in that his decision sets up everything that comes afterwards) and why did it happen? He got stabbed by a magic sword. And the marines were worried about being replaced .. or something. Why did it happen again?

Please, please, please, please give the readership some credit for their intelligence black library, and release a new book which goes through these events in more detail. The original concept for the Heresy was taken from Milton's Paradise Lost. Horus decided that it was better to rule in Hell than serve in Heaven. Instead what we got was a plot line lifted straight from Xena: Warrior Princess - 'A wizard did it'.

Pacific - each of the books gives more detail; First Heretic certainly added some more meat (hint: 40 years of being converted to that POV by Word Bearers, for a start) - and you're being unfair; it wasnt the "magic sword" that turned him, but the convincing images he recieved of the Emperors plan for mankind.

Current Nid codex art cover.
Disgraceful picture.

Hah, Try the BA codex cover. MUCH worse!

Got cajoled into playing for the Imperial side in a shop Apocalypse game. Had chaos warhound (mmmm, my precious!) and a couple other S/H tanks there.

The opposing force landed 3 vindicator shells on my warhounds head, from 3 different units. FIrst shell downed a shield. Fair enough! So did the second. OK, but I still have 3 structure points so I will be ok as long as...

3rd on: Penetrating 6. 6 on SH chart - 1 structure point down, reroll! another 6, 2nd one down, reroll....6. Final structure point gone. OK, roll on SH dmaage chart - Yep, you guessed it, 6 - Apocalyptic explosion. Only rolled 30" range, but that was enough to S;D pretty much the entire Imperial army.

I simply claimed it was their fault for believing triator mechanicus would ever help them out....

asimo77 wrote:^Yeah and like 50 bucks for a ravager, thats about 10 bucks for each gunner since that the only real difference from the raider.

It's not even that - Raider is two large sprues. Reaver is two large sprues. (the two kits just have different accessory sprues)

Price difference is because of???

From an aesthetic model PoV does anyone remember the 2nd edition ork bikes/warbuggies/wartracks?

Im giggling just thinking of them right now.

nosferatu1001 wrote:Pacific - each of the books gives more detail; First Heretic certainly added some more meat (hint: 40 years of being converted to that POV by Word Bearers, for a start) - and you're being unfair; it wasnt the "magic sword" that turned him, but the convincing images he recieved of the Emperors plan for mankind.

I thought First Heretic did a good job of explaining why the Word Bearers turned (although you could argue that they never really changed their course).

But consider the situation with Horus: For over 200 years he has fought at the forefront of his father's armies. Together they have essentially carved out the Imperium. Regarding their relationship, I don't think 'father and son' would come close, certainly in the way we understand it, to how close the bond must have been between them. So, how do you create the premise where Horus decides that, actually, he has going to turn on everything he has ever known?
Much weight is put into the 'visions' Horus receives, about the future state of the Imperium. Also, there are a couple of pages dealing with them being left on their own, and potentially cast out after there is no longer any need for them. But is that enough? Obviously McNeil doesn't think so, and so we have the 'wizard did it' narrative method (call it 'anathaema' or whatever, it doesn't change what it is, which is a magic sword).
Essentially it just means that any kind of rational cause and effect goes out of the window. You can just answer any question regarding Horus' decision making with '*shrug* chaos'

Examples:
Q: How did Horus come to terms with killing not only members of other legions, but also his own gene-sires. And not only that, but members of his own closest sons in the Mournival?
A: *shrug* chaos.
Q: Why did he decide to dismantle the Imperium at it's very roots, disrupting the mars-terra alliance and control of the navigator guilds, factors essential for the survival of the Imperium?
A: *shrug* chaos.
Q: Why did he trust the machinations of someone he had already previously regarded as a sycophant, over not only one of his closest brothers but also the explicit instructions of his father, under the most highly dubious of circumstances?
A: *shrug* chaos.
Q: Why does Horus turn his back on effectively everything he has ever known, murdering his own brothers and beginning a civil war which he must have known would essentially tear the Imperium apart?
A: *shrug* chaos.

All of those things above are massive factors in their own right. I had no idea how the BL writers could have made the plot development regarding the turning of Horus believable, but I always hoped they would have had a better try (and certainly given it more content) than the middle section of one HH book. As is stands, I think perhaps the most important plot-line in the 40k fantasy world has been woefully under-represented.

Just my thoughts, sorry for the rant!

My biggest fail was 5 IG infantry rapid fire into 10 tactical marines and killing 7! He rolled 7 wounds and I rolled 7 1's and 2's

My shadowsword the first time I used it, stunned a leman russ and got one-shotted by a warhound titans Turbolaser, 3 Chain Reactions! Soooo..worth buying and getting it ready in time for that game.

WOrd Bearers Chaplains whispering in his ear for 40 years, including the first heretic - Erebus. That might do it.

He was heavily disasstisfied with the way the Crusade was run once the emperor went back to Terra - fighting for it but never benefiting, High Lords being b'crats, etc. It doesnt take long, with someone poisoning your ear, to turn you against a distant figure.

Was playing my BA against this one jack-asses IG. After a game full of asshatery and bs, he fires a battlecannon at a plasma pistol my Chaplain (leading my 7 man DC, all in jumppacks) is poking out from behind the building they are taking cover in. #rd edition rules, legal. Just a bit of a Dick Move, but whatever. It scatters and covers the whole DC, with the chaplain; no partials (yeah, yeah, yeah; spacing, I learnt it). Dude picks up a red die for the Chaplain, 7 white dice for the DC, and rolls 8 ones. I tried very hard not to be a dick and laugh in his face, but when I had to turn away and bite my hand I think I gave myself away.

@Nos - word, we weren't exactly sure how to play it so we just rolled it anyway. To awesome and lol-worthy results!

nosferatu1001 wrote:Hah, Try the BA codex cover. MUCH worse!

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Yeah definitely! And it's worse when you consider some of the awesome artwork inside the book itself.

The Tyranid codex cover is a lot better if you see the whole picture. I just think it was cropped a little badly, although I admit it wasn't one of Adrian Smith's best.

But, with this alongside photoshopped pictures on the front of boxes, shows a marked eduction in the quality of GW's presentation. And the famous 'upside down heavy bolter' on the IG box shows exactly how much effort is being put into it.

Wow this topic is still going strong, cool
I got another one. How long has saruon been a leman russ tank accoring to GW just sayin if that guys is a IG tank then the fellowship might be in trouble

Pacific wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:Hah, Try the BA codex cover. MUCH worse!

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Yeah definitely! And it's worse when you consider some of the awesome artwork inside the book itself.

The Tyranid codex cover is a lot better if you see the whole picture. I just think it was cropped a little badly, although I admit it wasn't one of Adrian Smith's best.

But, with this alongside photoshopped pictures on the front of boxes, shows a marked eduction in the quality of GW's presentation. And the famous 'upside down heavy bolter' on the IG box shows exactly how much effort is being put into it.

Must post a pic of that

My Sarge (with no PF) resist in cc against a wraithlord for 4 turns. At the 6th turn of the game, a fresh arrived termiesquad assault him a wipe him out... The sarge have been awarded as "lucky imperial son of B°*°*°"... The Eldar farseer refused to use that soulstone again, and gifted it to slaanesh

Hah, just saw two new ones today.

First was a guy with 'special' dice- picked out by their mold lines for LD, hitting and wounding and saves, and all that crap.

Second was 2 Daemon Princes Warptiming, both fail psychic tests. The Resulting wound brings them both down to one wound. One runs and hides like a sissy, the other charges a BA vanguard squad with Termie Captain and Sanguiniary preist. Prince survives, and kills the Captain who rolls three ones for his invul saves.

Okay- where to begin...
30 'eavy armoured boyz with ghazghkull lose to yarrick and veterans in CC?
Scout squad Caddius!
So far, sgt. Caddius and his men have killed:
Tac squad
Land speeder
DP
Monolith
Chaplain
Chapter master
Avatar
Stompa
3 SM bikes
Predator
Vindicator x2
Creed
Kell
CCS
Leman russ x2
That's by an 80pt squad. 5 men.
In CC.
Over 10 games.
What's interesting is it's only Caddius that does anything, and he only does anything when his squad is killed. And the moral of the story? Don't make him angry.
This is the magnitude of his reputation when plaing against my regular gaming opponent, Andyroo9000-
Apoc. game. 2 squads on board. Scout squad Caddius- or 10 vanguard veterans, 6 w/ TH/SS, 4 W/ 2 LCs. 2 Captains w/ jump packs. Korvydae. Shrike. Chapter master. Unit worth over 1,700 points.
He shot Caddius. With everything in range.
He survived w/ one casualty. Caddius got angry. Killed an entire tac. squad. and 3 bikes. .

Every bit of artwork depicting Crisis suits. Hell, even Adrian Smith couldn't do it right