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Melissia wrote:I don't intend to get a single action revolver. This is a self defense weapon I'm thinking of getting, and a magnum revolver is probably overkill for it, but the intimidation factor of wielding THIS:




... isn't to be discounted.

If you're planning on getting a self defence weapon, a revolver this big is ridiculous. Even using it open carry it's an unwieldy bastard. Maybe a house gun, but nearly impossible on your person.

Stormrider wrote:

FITZZ wrote: @ Stormrider

Though I can't speak for or against the quality of the Taurus Judge (have yet to fire one),I can attest to the quality of the PT-92.
I've owned mine for near fifteen years and cycled countless rounds through it with minimal problems.
In fact the only firearm I own that has been less problematic is an older Colt 1911.

Hi Fitzz, I have no doubt the Taurus brand has nothing wrong with functionality (they're great guns), they lack handfinishing on the edges of their guns. Maybe it's a newer phenomenon since they changed their HQ's location.

BTW, how old is your Colt 1911?

The Judge is pretty damn cool, especially with the newer Winchester Self Defense .410 round.

Hey Stormrider,Could be a newer situation with Taurus as mine is a bit older.
As for my Colt,it was my Fathers pistol before it was given to me,he was in the service between 1967 and 1975 (76?),so I'm assuming it could be close to 45 years old,I've had some maintenance done to it and over the years replaced a few worn parts,but it's still a fine firearm .

Stormrider wrote:

Melissia wrote:I don't intend to get a single action revolver. This is a self defense weapon I'm thinking of getting, and a magnum revolver is probably overkill for it, but the intimidation factor of wielding THIS:




... isn't to be discounted.

If you're planning on getting a self defence weapon, a revolver this big is ridiculous. Even using it open carry it's an unwieldy bastard. Maybe a house gun, but nearly impossible on your person.

Meh, the smaller self defense guns are rather uncomfortable to fire. Dunno, it needs a solid grip that my entire hand fits into, not one of those tiny pistols where only three fingers fit. And my hands aren't exactly huge.

Really?

Melissia wrote:

Stormrider wrote:

Melissia wrote:I don't intend to get a single action revolver. This is a self defense weapon I'm thinking of getting, and a magnum revolver is probably overkill for it, but the intimidation factor of wielding THIS:




... isn't to be discounted.

If you're planning on getting a self defence weapon, a revolver this big is ridiculous. Even using it open carry it's an unwieldy bastard. Maybe a house gun, but nearly impossible on your person.

Meh, the smaller self defense guns are rather uncomfortable to fire. Dunno, it needs a solid grip that my entire hand fits into, not one of those tiny pistols where only three fingers fit. And my hands aren't exactly huge.

Well you dont have to get a tiny gun for self defense. Something with a 4 inch barrel would still be big enough to actually right, but you wont need a mile draw to pull it out.
Those are some pretty guns you posted BTW. Again, revolvers are just beautiful in my eyes

They're all Anacondas, just different handles and lighting.

To stop joking around, this is the one that I'm actually planning on getting from a self defense perspective:


Colt 1991 government model, .45 caliber. Very cheap, modern, and based off of the reliable 1911 design (with some improvements over the mil-spec 1911 design).

The Anaconda I want from an artistic perspective as much as anything. Heck, the two can fire the same ammunition (the Anaconda can fire .45 magnums or .45 colt centerfires), so they're a nice match.

Are Colt 0.45 centrefire and Colt 0.45 ACP the same round?

Melissia wrote:They're all Anacondas, just different handles and lighting.

To stop joking around, this is the one that I'm actually planning on getting from a self defense perspective:


Colt 1991 government model, .45 caliber. Very cheap, modern, and based off of the reliable 1911 design (with some improvements over the mil-spec 1911 design).

The Anaconda I want from an artistic perspective as much as anything. Heck, the two can fire the same ammunition (the Anaconda can fire .45 magnums or .45 colt centerfires), so they're a nice match.

Now that's a good choice, get some nice Hollowpoints in there and your cooking with gas.

I do agree that the Anaconda is a visually pleasing design.

Kilkrazy wrote:Are Colt 0.45 centrefire and Colt 0.45 ACP the same round?

From my understanding, yes. Centerfire kinda describes the style of pistol, and the M1911 is a centerfire pistol (indeed, it's basically the template by which most modern centerfire pistols are developed).

Mind you, I'm not a huge ammo nut.

FITZZ wrote:

Stormrider wrote:

FITZZ wrote: @ Stormrider

Though I can't speak for or against the quality of the Taurus Judge (have yet to fire one),I can attest to the quality of the PT-92.
I've owned mine for near fifteen years and cycled countless rounds through it with minimal problems.
In fact the only firearm I own that has been less problematic is an older Colt 1911.

Hi Fitzz, I have no doubt the Taurus brand has nothing wrong with functionality (they're great guns), they lack handfinishing on the edges of their guns. Maybe it's a newer phenomenon since they changed their HQ's location.

BTW, how old is your Colt 1911?

The Judge is pretty damn cool, especially with the newer Winchester Self Defense .410 round.

Hey Stormrider,Could be a newer situation with Taurus as mine is a bit older.
As for my Colt,it was my Fathers pistol before it was given to me,he was in the service between 1967 and 1975 (76?),so I'm assuming it could be close to 45 years old,I've had some maintenance done to it and over the years replaced a few worn parts,but it's still a fine firearm .

It might be older, our Government stopped buying 1911's in the late 60's and made do with them until their replacement by the M9. I've got three 1911's from WWII (Remington-Rand from Jan. 1943, Colt from April 1943 and an Ithaca from April 1943), I doubt any of mine saw combat as they're all in about 98% condition.

The guy I have bought two of these from had a 1911 when he was in the Marine Corps (1985-1989), his was a 1944 manufactured one that he could shake the slide off of because it was so worn.

You need to check that. ACP stands for Automatic Colt Pistol. (There are also 0.25 and 0.38 versions, if my memory serves.)

There were other 0.45 calibre pistols around at the time, which may have used different ammo.

Kilkrazy wrote:Are Colt 0.45 centrefire and Colt 0.45 ACP the same round?

(I can't see the picture) If its a semiauto then yes.

Colt had the following:
.45 cal ACP (Automatic Colt Pistol) thats the stereotypical WWII army pistol. for reference. FYI I'd not get a Colt for that.

.45 Colt aka .45 Long Colt. This was the earlier revolver cartidge, still in use in revolvers and lever actions.


There's also a .45 Casull which is not related and more akin to a .44Mag type round.

Kilkrazy wrote:Are Colt 0.45 centrefire and Colt 0.45 ACP the same round?

They shouldn't be, I think she meant .45 Long Colt. ACP can't be used in revolvers unless you have the Half-Moon clips from the M1917 Revolver.


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Frazzled wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:Are Colt 0.45 centrefire and Colt 0.45 ACP the same round?

(I can't see the picture) If its a semiauto then yes.

Colt had the following:
.45 cal ACP (Automatic Colt Pistol) thats the stereotypical WWII army pistol. for reference. FYI I'd not get a Colt for that.

.45 Colt aka .45 Long Colt. This was the earlier revolver cartidge, still in use in revolvers and lever actions.


There's also a .45 Casull which is not related and more akin to a .44Mag type round.

.454 Casull is bear medicine

Kilkrazy wrote:You need to check that. ACP stands for Automatic Colt Pistol. (There are also 0.25 and 0.38 versions, if my memory serves.)

There were other 0.45 calibre pistols around at the time, which may have used different ammo.

Centerfire means there is a primer in the center of the butt end of the cartridge that the hammer/striker er strikes. There is also rimfire where the initial primer is anclosed in the entire base. Now days thats mostly the ubiquitous .22 long rifle and newer .17.

Don't confuse ACP with
.45 Webley (similar characteristics though), and
.45GAP (GLock Automatic Pistol).

Ah yes, they are different apparently.

The .45 colt is approximately .1 milimeters larger than the .45 colt ACP. How annoying that they're so similarly named.


.45 Colt:

Case type Rimmed, straight
Bullet diameter .454 (lead), .451 (jacketed)
Neck diameter .480 in (12.2 mm)
Base diameter .480 in (12.2 mm)
Rim diameter .512 in (13.0 mm)
Rim thickness .060 in (1.5 mm)
Case length 1.285 in (32.6 mm)
Overall length 1.600 in (40.6 mm)
Rifling twist 1-38 in
Primer type Large pistol


.45 Colt ACP:

Case type Rimless, straight
Bullet diameter .452 in (11.5 mm)
Neck diameter .473 in (12.0 mm)
Base diameter .476 in (12.1 mm)
Rim diameter .480 in (12.2 mm)
Case length .898 in (22.8 mm)
Overall length 1.260 in (32.0 mm)
Case capacity 25 gr H2O (1.625 cm³)
Rifling twist 1 in 16 in (406 mm)
Primer type Large pistol

It's interesting how little pistol design has really changed. The M1911 is 100 years old. Its innovation was the grip safety.

The next big innovation was the staggered row magazine (Browning HP35 in the mid 30s).

The only real innovations since then are polycarbonate components, the polygonal twist barrel, tactical rails, and laser/red dot sights.

When you realise that the M2 is another Browning design, it makes you think he really got a lot of stuff right early on.

Melissia wrote:Ah yes, they are different apparently.

The .45 colt is approximately .1 milimeters larger than the .45 colt ACP. How annoying that they're so similarly named.


.45 Colt:

Case type Rimmed, straight
Bullet diameter .454 (lead), .451 (jacketed)
Neck diameter .480 in (12.2 mm)
Base diameter .480 in (12.2 mm)
Rim diameter .512 in (13.0 mm)
Rim thickness .060 in (1.5 mm)
Case length 1.285 in (32.6 mm)
Overall length 1.600 in (40.6 mm)
Rifling twist 1-38 in
Primer type Large pistol


.45 Colt ACP:

Case type Rimless, straight
Bullet diameter .452 in (11.5 mm)
Neck diameter .473 in (12.0 mm)
Base diameter .476 in (12.1 mm)
Rim diameter .480 in (12.2 mm)
Case length .898 in (22.8 mm)
Overall length 1.260 in (32.0 mm)
Case capacity 25 gr H2O (1.625 cm³)
Rifling twist 1 in 16 in (406 mm)
Primer type Large pistol

Hah, to make it even more interesting .45 Long Colt really has 3-4 different power levels now, depending on the firearm. I higher end power load might have an interesting reaction in a turn of the century peacemaker.

Most rounds are available in a variety of loads of powder and bullet design, aren't they?

When you go down to Walmart, how many versions of 9mm Parabellum are on the shelf?

None, for some reason here you can't openly carry a pistol.

You CAN, however, openly carry a shotgun or hunting rifle!

Kilkrazy wrote:It's interesting how little pistol design has really changed. The M1911 is 100 years old. Its innovation was the grip safety.

The next big innovation was the staggered row magazine (Browning HP35 in the mid 30s).

The only real innovations since then are polycarbonate components, the polygonal twist barrel, tactical rails, and laser/red dot sights.

When you realise that the M2 is another Browning design, it makes you think he really got a lot of stuff right early on.

Browning was a mechanical genius.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Browning

Kilkrazy wrote:Most rounds are available in a variety of loads of powder and bullet design, aren't they?

When you go down to Walmart, how many versions of 9mm Parabellum are on the shelf?

There tend to be couple but thats every caliber. What I was saying is the .45 Long Colt has such differences that you have to know the power level or else it could damage your gun/blow up in your face. Been there done that got a belt buckle.

Usually on power level you'll get a range of velocities and weights and then +P for 9mm, which means faster, like a 44 mag is faster than a 44 special, but not as much. It won't generally hurt the gun, just your hand from the higher recoil

Melissia wrote:None, for some reason here you can't openly carry a pistol.

You CAN, however, openly carry a shotgun or hunting rifle!

You live in Texas right?

These are my two handguns of choice:



The S&W model 686 .357 /\ /\ /\...

...and the S&W model 1911 .45 \/ \/ \/



Probably the two guns I own that I'd never consider letting go of.

Lol, it's obnoxious how every company and their mother now has a 1911 variant. Colts are still the best

Stormrider wrote:

Melissia wrote:None, for some reason here you can't openly carry a pistol.

You CAN, however, openly carry a shotgun or hunting rifle!

You live in Texas right?

Yep, thats Texas. No open carry that I am aware of.

Frazzled wrote:

Stormrider wrote:

Melissia wrote:None, for some reason here you can't openly carry a pistol.

You CAN, however, openly carry a shotgun or hunting rifle!

You live in Texas right?

Yep, thats Texas. No open carry that I am aware of.

Of all the sates!

Missouri is open carry, along with C&C compliant and they recently made it okay to buy a handgun without a permit from the Sherrif (at least in my county). There was some concern amongst the City Council that there might be a spike in handgun violence, but it has remained constant.

Melissia wrote:Lol, it's obnoxious how every company and their mother now has a 1911 variant. Colts are still the best

Having owned and fire both extensively, I have to disagree. There are a lot of 1911 models out there, and I think the S&W might be the best of the variants I've ever fired.

Melissia wrote:Lol, it's obnoxious how every company and their mother now has a 1911 variant. Colts are still the best

Exactly. Except for Kimber, Springfield Armory, STI, Les Bear, Wilson Combat, and arguably Smith & Wesson, Colts are the best.

Actually Colts are just fine, their sights are crappier and they need work to get up to many of the above in throating and polishing. But thats why there's so many names above, they made their names dong what you needed to do to a Colt to get it properly up to snuff. Colts may be better now, but again I don't think Colt actually makes 1911's any more. They're mostly just M4 makers now IIRC, much to my dismay. I agree that they made absolutely excellent .357s.

I have the Judge for defense and it's a damn nice gun. As Frazz said, the bark makes you think it'll break your wrist when firing .410 but it's pretty tame actually. You'll definately alert the neighbors.

Past 10 feet the spread is horrid but firing a few .410 rounds into someones gut or chest from a dozen feet away is going to ruin there night/day, even with a fairly wide spread.

There is still the .45 long if you really don't want to limit yourself in distance accuracy.