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Maybe it my smaller units of shades that get ignored, but trio of 6 man blocks tend to survive most of the game, unless I throw them into combat.
Being able to march and shoot is a huge boost to skirmishers.
I find that they hold up a lot better, because they are harder to trap and scout rules are way better.
I also tend to screen mine with cheap harpies from the bulk of enemy shooting, so I get quite a bit of survivability.

The other thing to not underestimate is how much better power of darkness is when you roll crap for winds of magic.
I'm a big fan of the 2 level 2's with lores of fire (one with the dagger, the other with the +1 power die).
When I get 4 free power dice each phase, and can create 2D3+2 more, and I get +D3 to casting rolls of ~3 spells, I can dominate low dice magic phases with ease. In bigger games, I toss in a 3rd sorceress, and might stick that ruby ring on a unit champ, just for a little more blazing.

-Matt

Squash wrote:

Vulcan wrote:[
(And in a real war, I'd never even come within spellcasting range.

You'd either be the best or the worst general of all time.

As Sun-Tzu says, attack your enemy's weakness, not his strength.

HawaiiMatt how do you deal with Power of Darkness getting dispelled? I mean even if you cast it on one dice, and sacrifice someone you can still wind up with diddly, especialy if your opponent has a modicum of magic defense in thier list.

Or against lizzards a cube of darkness...

RuneOfGromril wrote:HawaiiMatt how do you deal with Power of Darkness getting dispelled? I mean even if you cast it on one dice, and sacrifice someone you can still wind up with diddly, especialy if your opponent has a modicum of magic defense in thier list.

I throw 2 dice, and the bonus die, giving me a casting in the 12 to 13 range. I'll get D3+1 back, so on average, I gain a die. You'll have to throw ~3 or more dice to shut it down, so if you do dispel it, I'm ahead another die or two in the phase.
With the dagger and cloak, I'm getting 1 power die, +1 power die per spell. That's a 4 power die advantage in most phases, and that's not counting anything I get from power of darkness.
If any of those fire spells do go off, I'm also at another D3 bonus for the rest of the fire spell.
So, even if I just force you to dispel power of darkness, it burns up your dispel pool faster than my inflated power pool.
For 320 points, it's a pretty effective magic phase.

Teclis + banner of sorcery gets on average +4 power dice (at 525 points). That puts his dice pool about on par with these two, only I get a pair of powers of darkness to possibly boost mine well over the top.

For the Dark Elves, magic is as much a game of psychology with the other player as it is a game of Warhammer. Do you want him to waste DD on a spell that does him no direct harm and leave you free later in the phase to go nuts? Cast PoD early. Or, one can cast a bunch of other stuff in an attempt to get him to burn DD on it, only to turn around and throw your last PD at PoD late in the phase once he's out of DD.

It depends on how well you can read the other player as well as the situation...

Vulcan wrote: Or, one can cast a bunch of other stuff in an attempt to get him to burn DD on it, only to turn around and throw your last PD at PoD late in the phase once he's out of DD.

That one's my favorite. Nothing like turning that last die into four power dice to make your opponent make a sad face.

I run a rather small dwarf army (bought a battallion, lord, hammerers, and a runepriest a few years back, not really used them often) and im thinking of possibly collecting DE's (This is coming from a 7 year WH40k collector who has collected necrons, space marines of all colours at different times (mostly space wolves though), and some orks).

I collected high elves a while back, but ive yet to actually build them, as im debating whether it would be more worth buying and building a dark elf army from scratch instead of drudging through a high elf battalion. Can anyone help please?

Im really thinking of a Cold one dark lord leading my force which would be ranks of spearmen + crossbows being the base for it. Would that be wise? and if so what else would make a 2000 point army if added?

Its thread necromancy time again.

dakkawolf wrote:I run a rather small dwarf army (bought a battallion, lord, hammerers, and a runepriest a few years back, not really used them often) and im thinking of possibly collecting DE's (This is coming from a 7 year WH40k collector who has collected necrons, space marines of all colours at different times (mostly space wolves though), and some orks).

I collected high elves a while back, but ive yet to actually build them, as im debating whether it would be more worth buying and building a dark elf army from scratch instead of drudging through a high elf battalion. Can anyone help please?

Im really thinking of a Cold one dark lord leading my force which would be ranks of spearmen + crossbows being the base for it. Would that be wise? and if so what else would make a 2000 point army if added?

Depending on what HE stuff you have, you might find it profitable to convert it over to DE with a suitable application of DE bitz.

Airmaniac wrote:I like the part were RuneofGromril uses the Scroll of Hoeth (a One use only item) to show that Teclis can shut down all magic phases.

I liked the bit where he said even if the HE player doesn't take Teclis you can do much the same with bolt throwers. I think I read that sentence three or four times to convince myself he was really saying that.

sebster wrote:

Airmaniac wrote:I like the part were RuneofGromril uses the Scroll of Hoeth (a One use only item) to show that Teclis can shut down all magic phases.

I liked the bit where he said even if the HE player doesn't take Teclis you can do much the same with bolt throwers. I think I read that sentence three or four times to convince myself he was really saying that.

I like the part that Dark Elf and High Elf players have anything to complain about being two of the top armies in the game...

gmaleron wrote:

sebster wrote:

Airmaniac wrote:I like the part were RuneofGromril uses the Scroll of Hoeth (a One use only item) to show that Teclis can shut down all magic phases.

I liked the bit where he said even if the HE player doesn't take Teclis you can do much the same with bolt throwers. I think I read that sentence three or four times to convince myself he was really saying that.

I like the part that Dark Elf and High Elf players have anything to complain about being two of the top armies in the game...

Poor wood elf players standing in the corner and wimpering.

-Matt

HawaiiMatt wrote:

Poor wood elf players standing in the corner and wimpering.

-Matt

Called sarcasm?

What's funny is that most of the time Wood Elves smash High Elves and Dark Elves

If its 'unfair' its the fault of the Games Designers, but the fault goes way back.

For most iterations of ther game dark Elves have made good work of the Hate High Elves rule, especially when it used to mean rolling all break tests on Ld10, IIRC that was unmodified too.

So now Hatred doesnt mean much and ASF does, the only thing I can say is: Suck it up Druchii, your turn.

However with cheaper infantry and better shooting thats not even true.

tmarichards wrote:What's funny is that most of the time Wood Elves smash High Elves and Dark Elves

My horde of WLs disagrees and after the finish killing WE archers they cut down your forest and despoil your womanz.

Jubear wrote:

tmarichards wrote:What's funny is that most of the time Wood Elves smash High Elves and Dark Elves

My horde of WLs disagrees and after the finish killing WE archers they cut down your forest and despoil your womanz.

Not really, the 3+ save just doesn't cut it against 70 Glade Guard at short range

High Elves despoiling womanz?

I think you have the wrong faction.

Vulcan wrote:

dakkawolf wrote:I run a rather small dwarf army (bought a battallion, lord, hammerers, and a runepriest a few years back, not really used them often) and im thinking of possibly collecting DE's (This is coming from a 7 year WH40k collector who has collected necrons, space marines of all colours at different times (mostly space wolves though), and some orks).

I collected high elves a while back, but ive yet to actually build them, as im debating whether it would be more worth buying and building a dark elf army from scratch instead of drudging through a high elf battalion. Can anyone help please?

Im really thinking of a Cold one dark lord leading my force which would be ranks of spearmen + crossbows being the base for it. Would that be wise? and if so what else would make a 2000 point army if added?

Depending on what HE stuff you have, you might find it profitable to convert it over to DE with a suitable application of DE bitz.

Well i have a normal battallion, which i think is like 1 block of spearmen, 1 block of archers, 1 block of silver helms, and a Repeater Eagle bolt thrower. I was orignally planning to go with a Lothren Sea Guard army, using lothren sea guard and bolt throwers as a primary unit. HOWEVER i came to my sense after going on a Dark Eldar induced-high, and realised, while HE's back story is cool, and dragon princes look awesome, i prefer the crazed lizards, malicious spikes, and egotistical raiders over ranks of frilly feather fluffers.


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My army list really is only looking like this so far:

==Cold One Raiders==

1 x Dreadlord on a cold one (attached to a CoK regiment)

1 x Sorceress (not sure if i want her on a cold one or not)

2 x B.A.C's (with command if possible) = 10 each

1 x Cold one knights = 10 each

2 x Dark Elf Warriors = 10 each (Crossbow equipped)

And to finish it off 1 x either black guard or executioners (which would likely contain the sorceress).

Would this work? if not then what could be added to it to make it work? Thnx

Dakkawolf