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2011/01/24 21:58:20
Subject: Crossing the line with webcomics, a question for Dakka.
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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Ahtman wrote:It is starting to sound like this webcomic is a softcore porn of underage girls. So yes, it could be problematic. Welcome to being red flagged by some agency. 
I wouldn't go that far. The only actual nudity so far has been the a female's character rear.
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2011/01/24 21:59:32
Subject: Crossing the line with webcomics, a question for Dakka.
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Solahma
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@Ahtman: Nah, I think it's just more for the "it's from Japan, creepy is ok there" pile rather than the "sweet Mother Mary, it's from Japan, my eyes, my eyes!" pile.
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2011/01/24 22:03:25
Subject: Crossing the line with webcomics, a question for Dakka.
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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Manchu wrote:@Ahtman: Nah, I think it's just more for the "it's from Japan, creepy is ok there" pile rather than the "sweet Mother Mary, it's from Japan, my eyes, my eyes!" pile.
The webcomic in question is drawn by a Canadian, but there is a strong Japanese influence.
I liked how you phrased it Manchu. 
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2011/01/24 22:03:35
Subject: Crossing the line with webcomics, a question for Dakka.
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Hangin' with Gork & Mork
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I was exaggerating for humor. It certainly seems questionable though.
Sounds to me like we have a Canadian that will be in jail someday. You can get away with things in Japan you can't in Canada.
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
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2011/01/24 22:05:20
Subject: Crossing the line with webcomics, a question for Dakka.
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Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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Manchu wrote:I rarely venture out of scifi/fantasy unless to pop over to world history. Look what I've been missing!
@KK: Any idea how UK laws impact sales of manga? That gets to the point of Amaya's OP here.
As far as I can tell, not at all.
I mentioned Gantz, which has several sex scenes involving characters depicted as schoolchildren and is therefore technically illegal. There hasn't been any whisper of prosecuting it, and it is available for sale on Amazon.
IMO, the police are sensible enough to realise that a manga like Gantz, which isn't pornographic would be a bad target for prosecution. The police may be reserving their first prosecution of pornographic cartoons for something clearly dodgy.
That said, the law was introduced amid a number of legal warnings that it was stupid and unworkable. Perhaps the police have just decided to ignore it and concentrate on real life child porn instead of cartoons. There may never be a prosecution under this law.
I believe there has been a prosecution in Canada under a similar law.
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2011/01/24 22:06:05
Subject: Crossing the line with webcomics, a question for Dakka.
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Dakka Veteran
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If you are in the US then such a cartoon is legal. You can check out Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition, 535 U.S. 234 (2002), which states that "virtual" child pornography (that is where no actual children are shown) cannot be prohibited.
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2011/01/24 22:06:52
Subject: Crossing the line with webcomics, a question for Dakka.
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Hangin' with Gork & Mork
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It will be used when they get someone with real child porn and drawn child porn. It will be a way of adding to the sentence. Just a guess.
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
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2011/01/24 22:13:36
Subject: Crossing the line with webcomics, a question for Dakka.
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Daemonic Dreadnought
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Legally the butt of a 14 year old is fine in a webcomic. There is no legal victim, thus no crime.
As an interesting legal point Japanese obscenity laws are very strange by western cultural standards. In Japan you can buy comics where 14 year old girls are being raped by the tentacle monster and everything is ok, but it would be obscene to draw an 18 year old girl's pubic hair.
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Chaos isn’t a pit. Chaos is a ladder. Many who try to climb it fail, and never get to try again. The fall breaks them. And some are given a chance to climb, but refuse. They cling to the realm, or love, or the gods…illusions. Only the ladder is real. The climb is all there is, but they’ll never know this. Not until it’s too late.
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2011/01/24 22:16:00
Subject: Crossing the line with webcomics, a question for Dakka.
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[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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schadenfreude wrote:Legally the butt of a 14 year old is fine in a webcomic. There is no legal victim, thus no crime.
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Perhaps in the USA, but in the UK and Canada (and possibly Australia) it is a crime.
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2011/01/24 22:19:10
Subject: Crossing the line with webcomics, a question for Dakka.
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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schadenfreude wrote:Legally the butt of a 14 year old is fine in a webcomic. There is no legal victim, thus no crime.
As an interesting legal point Japanese obscenity laws are very strange by western cultural standards. In Japan you can buy comics where 14 year old girls are being raped by the tentacle monster and everything is ok, but it would be obscene to draw an 18 year old girl's pubic hair.
The whole 'tentacle rape' thing got started because it was illegal to draw penises. See what happens when you outlaw the human body?
Ahtman wrote:It will be used when they get someone with real child porn and drawn child porn. It will be a way of adding to the sentence. Just a guess.
I could see that.
Kilkrazy wrote:schadenfreude wrote:Legally the butt of a 14 year old is fine in a webcomic. There is no legal victim, thus no crime.
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Perhaps in the USA, but in the UK and Canada (and possibly Australia) it is a crime.
That doesn't bode well for the comic's creator.
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http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/515293.page#5420356
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2011/01/24 22:23:11
Subject: Crossing the line with webcomics, a question for Dakka.
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Daemonic Dreadnought
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Amaya wrote:schadenfreude wrote:Legally the butt of a 14 year old is fine in a webcomic. There is no legal victim, thus no crime.
As an interesting legal point Japanese obscenity laws are very strange by western cultural standards. In Japan you can buy comics where 14 year old girls are being raped by the tentacle monster and everything is ok, but it would be obscene to draw an 18 year old girl's pubic hair.
The whole 'tentacle rape' thing got started because it was illegal to draw penises. See what happens when you outlaw the human body?
But drawing a human penis would be almost as obscene as drawing an 18 year old girl's pubic hair, and we can't have that now can we
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Chaos isn’t a pit. Chaos is a ladder. Many who try to climb it fail, and never get to try again. The fall breaks them. And some are given a chance to climb, but refuse. They cling to the realm, or love, or the gods…illusions. Only the ladder is real. The climb is all there is, but they’ll never know this. Not until it’s too late.
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2011/01/24 22:26:26
Subject: Crossing the line with webcomics, a question for Dakka.
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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schadenfreude wrote:Amaya wrote:schadenfreude wrote:Legally the butt of a 14 year old is fine in a webcomic. There is no legal victim, thus no crime.
As an interesting legal point Japanese obscenity laws are very strange by western cultural standards. In Japan you can buy comics where 14 year old girls are being raped by the tentacle monster and everything is ok, but it would be obscene to draw an 18 year old girl's pubic hair.
The whole 'tentacle rape' thing got started because it was illegal to draw penises. See what happens when you outlaw the human body?
But drawing a human penis would be almost as obscene as drawing an 18 year old girl's pubic hair, and we can't have that now can we
Can you draw armpit hair? It almost looks just like pubic hair! (Depending on the invidual of course)
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Read my story at:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/515293.page#5420356
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2011/01/24 22:32:37
Subject: Crossing the line with webcomics, a question for Dakka.
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Amaya wrote:schadenfreude wrote:Legally the butt of a 14 year old is fine in a webcomic. There is no legal victim, thus no crime.
As an interesting legal point Japanese obscenity laws are very strange by western cultural standards. In Japan you can buy comics where 14 year old girls are being raped by the tentacle monster and everything is ok, but it would be obscene to draw an 18 year old girl's pubic hair.
The whole 'tentacle rape' thing got started because it was illegal to draw penises. See what happens when you outlaw the human body?
To be fair, it's a bit older than that:
Would have been a picture, but potentially against Dakka's rules. NSFW
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2011/01/24 22:35:47
Subject: Crossing the line with webcomics, a question for Dakka.
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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Platuan4th wrote:Amaya wrote:schadenfreude wrote:Legally the butt of a 14 year old is fine in a webcomic. There is no legal victim, thus no crime.
As an interesting legal point Japanese obscenity laws are very strange by western cultural standards. In Japan you can buy comics where 14 year old girls are being raped by the tentacle monster and everything is ok, but it would be obscene to draw an 18 year old girl's pubic hair.
The whole 'tentacle rape' thing got started because it was illegal to draw penises. See what happens when you outlaw the human body?
To be fair, it's a bit older than that:
Yes it is, but it took off due to Japan's backward censorship laws. "Okay guys, human penises are out, but bestality is in!" It's okay because they're aliens/monsters and not actual squids!
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http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/515293.page#5420356
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2011/01/24 23:13:10
Subject: Crossing the line with webcomics, a question for Dakka.
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Warp-Screaming Noise Marine
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Platuan4th wrote:Amaya wrote:schadenfreude wrote:Legally the butt of a 14 year old is fine in a webcomic. There is no legal victim, thus no crime.
As an interesting legal point Japanese obscenity laws are very strange by western cultural standards. In Japan you can buy comics where 14 year old girls are being raped by the tentacle monster and everything is ok, but it would be obscene to draw an 18 year old girl's pubic hair.
The whole 'tentacle rape' thing got started because it was illegal to draw penises. See what happens when you outlaw the human body?
To be fair, it's a bit older than that:
Would have been a picture, but potentially against Dakka's rules. NSFW
Isn't it ironic that that picture is considered "sensual art" nowadays,while a new picture would be considered "pornographic",so maybe in 100 years that 14 year old girls butt will be in the Louve.
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2011/01/24 23:17:48
Subject: Crossing the line with webcomics, a question for Dakka.
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Lord Commander in a Plush Chair
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schadenfreude wrote:But drawing a human penis would be almost as obscene as drawing an 18 year old girl's pubic hair, and we can't have that now can we
It's well known that the sight of the human body is the most offensive thing on earth.
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2011/01/25 00:05:23
Subject: Crossing the line with webcomics, a question for Dakka.
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Daemonic Dreadnought
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Amaya wrote:schadenfreude wrote:Amaya wrote:schadenfreude wrote:Legally the butt of a 14 year old is fine in a webcomic. There is no legal victim, thus no crime.
As an interesting legal point Japanese obscenity laws are very strange by western cultural standards. In Japan you can buy comics where 14 year old girls are being raped by the tentacle monster and everything is ok, but it would be obscene to draw an 18 year old girl's pubic hair.
The whole 'tentacle rape' thing got started because it was illegal to draw penises. See what happens when you outlaw the human body?
But drawing a human penis would be almost as obscene as drawing an 18 year old girl's pubic hair, and we can't have that now can we
Can you draw armpit hair? It almost looks just like pubic hair! (Depending on the invidual of course)
Just as long as it's not in a frame that has a close up view with the arm close enough to the chest that it might be mistaken for a crotch and thus pubic hair, that would be really obscene. Think of the children 
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Chaos isn’t a pit. Chaos is a ladder. Many who try to climb it fail, and never get to try again. The fall breaks them. And some are given a chance to climb, but refuse. They cling to the realm, or love, or the gods…illusions. Only the ladder is real. The climb is all there is, but they’ll never know this. Not until it’s too late.
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