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NagothDaCleaver wrote:Vulkan Hestan and Darnath Lysander attached to 10 Salamander Assault Terminators with Thunder Hammers and Stormshields.
All using Vulkans rules, which makes all of their Thunderhammers Mastercrafted

That unit would instakill the crap out of your unit with their ALL mastercrafted Thunder hammers and not take many wounds from the charge.
And it's less points

Had to post due to how false this statement is.

Ragnar would get an average of 7 attacks, 6 hit, 5 wound, 1.5 failed saves

Grimnar would 8 8 attacks, 7 hit, 6 wound, 2 failed saves

The Wolf Guard would go next with an average of 40 attacks, hit with 30 of them, wound with 26, and an average of 8.5 wounds would be dealt after saves.

This all occurs before anyone except Vulkan gets to retaliate.

Skavenknight wrote:C'tan nightbringer. Goodbye super unit. mathhammer is bull, when you play a real game a mathmatical simulation can't possibly predict how you roll that day.

the ctan ignores saves, and is t8. making it the same as a wraithlord but with more punch, an invul, and eternal warrior(?) or at least cant be insta killed by anything in the OP

Of course, nothing is ever certain until the dice are rolled. But with mathhammer (or just playing with statistics and percentages), a person can always get an idea of how well a unit will do most cases. It's called "Playing with the odds", so instead of charging blindly, you're taking a calculated risk.

(IT'S ALSO THE SAME REASON WHY WHITE LIONS ARE MORE EFFECTIVE AGAINST A DOOM WHEEL INSTEAD OF SWORD MASTERS! )

And in regards to Ctan, the fight is a lot closer than you might think. True that noone other than Logan has a real chance of taking him down, but that being said, both Logan and Ctan will cause on average 1 unsaved wound to each other after all saves are taken. With another nip and poke from Ragnar, the balances may shift. And if you use Gaze of Death at all, then you're definitely losing to Logan, since you can only hitting him once at most with that attack. Put someone else in with Eternal Warrior against Ctan, and it's a whole new fight.

And I thought this thread was dead after the last time I posted in it...


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PS - Dave, this is why Math-hammer works.

magodedisco wrote:
Had to post due to how false this statement is.

Ragnar would get an average of 7 attacks, 6 hit, 5 wound, 1.5 failed saves

Grimnar would 8 8 attacks, 7 hit, 6 wound, 2 failed saves

The Wolf Guard would go next with an average of 40 attacks, hit with 30 of them, wound with 26, and an average of 8.5 wounds would be dealt after saves.

This all occurs before anyone except Vulkan gets to retaliate.

And here I thought we were talking about dice and toy soldiers...

Calgar With Khan and a 10 man squad of Honor Guard all with Relic Blades and Auxilary Grenade Launchers with a Chapter Banner and Digital Weapon.

With 36 S7 I5 Power Weapon attacks on the charge
5 S7 I5 Power Weapon attacks that refills both hits and wounds on Independant Characters
5 S5 I6 Power Weapon attacks that Instantly Kill on a 6
And finally 7 S9 Power Fist Attacks that Reroll both hits and wounds will eat anything!

And before the assault you'll be eating either 10 krak grenades or 10 frag grenades plus a bolt pistol and Assault 2 S4 AP2 Bolters that Reroll both hits and wounds

Skavenknight wrote:And here I thought we were talking about dice and toy soldiers...

We still are...