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Dark wrote:So they're around 7.8 feet tall? That's 238cm rounding up, my guesses wheren't wrong then.

You'll note however that the scale starts at 1 foot. Space Marines are reckoned to stand between seven and eight feet on average and Space Marine Power Armour doesn't really add much to their overall height, several inches and even with terminator armour, the height increase is superficial as much of that is obviously the cowling above the Marine's head but between seven and eight feet is the average.

Well, yeah.

the Terminator armor's bulk in the shoulder area makes them alot taller.

Commander Endova wrote:
Furthermore, remember that Space Marines have reflexes greatly superior to our own, and that Storm Bolters have a blistering rate of fire. I'd imagine the process of acquiring a target, aiming, shooting and acquiring the next target is performed in the blink of an eye by a Terminator. This process takes considerably longer for a human.

So the point is that they reload in a eye blink? And we never see it because of this speed?

Damn you GW and your universal rules.

No. I think an individual Space Marine reloading could take a couple seconds. The process I described is more concerned with shooting. He can choose a target, terminate it, and choose another target in fractions of a second.

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:Cain's about 2 metres tall, isn't he?
In that case, two conclusions/theories:
The catachans are bigger than 6ft 6in, (about 2 metres)
or that was a particularly large catachan.
Are you sure that was an average catachan?

IIRC yes, he got sucked out an airlock though and was the only one directly mentioned in the book (he had mentioned that he spent time sparring catachans though I think? I'd have to open the book again and I don't have time this morning).

Grey Templar wrote:Power Fists are still capable of manipulating delicate things.


Marneus Calgar is drinks some Wine out of a Crystal Glass in the Ultramarine omnibus while wearing his pimp fists.

A big difference between holding something and manipulating a small object that probably has clips on it. I can hold the smallest model bit quite easily but tweezers are sometimes needed when trying to place the same item in a specific place as my fingertips are too big for the workspace at times.

Now if you'd said he'd shuffled a pack of cards I'd have thought wow, they can do pretty much anything with those on, as it stands I wouldn't want to pick my nose with a PF finger.

On eof the scouts on the land speeder storm is reloading his bolter

cadbren wrote:
Now if you'd said he'd shuffled a pack of cards I'd have thought wow, they can do pretty much anything with those on, as it stands I wouldn't want to pick my nose with a PF finger.

haha!

Now I have the image of Calgar trying to pick his nose with his PF in my head!

You made my day.

Also lol, no. Marine power armor reduces the Marine's manual dexterity when ti comes to fine manipulation (source: Deathwatch RPG). Power Fists are even more clumsy.

Here is one more question, now for the IG. How many shots can one Guardsman fire from his Lasgun?
I reckon if they are in sunlight, and Lasgun is recharging on sunlight, he don't even have to reload it.

Well the lasgun has different power settings; weaker settings using less energy wich means more shots, stronger settings using more. Im not sure a clip can recharge in the gun however due to it being partly inside the weapon and probably being set to fire, not recharge. Although im not sure what a lasguun looks like specifically and if the part that recharges it is outside of the weapon when loaded in.

I've not read a lot of 40k books i the line "he slapped a fresh magazine into his bolter" (or equivilant) does ring a couple of bells.

It's power armour, surely with all their amazing tech, they can have a couple of pockets?

at a lasgun's reccomended power settings(the one Guardsmen are supposed to fire them at) the weapon can put out about 500 rounds per power pack.

at full power about 20.



most standard issue lasguns arn't even able to fire at full power(the switches are removed to put it up that high)




Guardsmen are required to be able to have the capacity to fire 2000 rounds at all times. they have 5 power packs to do it with(1 in the gun, 4 on the belt)

That's about right. Guardsmen are expected to fire a lot, because filling the air with a lot of little bits of hot death (be it bullets or lasers) is an effective strategy if you have a proper supply line. The Guard does.

In Inquisitor a Mars Pattern lasgun has sixty shots and in Dark Heresy a lasgun also has sixty shots per power pack. The [i]Munitorum Manual[/] states that a typical power pack should provide up to one hundred and fifty shots.

Right. But keep in mind that in Inquisitor and Dark Heresy, the weapon has to be balanced against autoguns to keep the latter useful. A couple hundred shots is about what it is in most fluff sources.

Dark Heresy also has lasguns unable to go into full auto mode.

There are many, many marks of Lasguns but I would say the average is about 45 shots.

Additionally the Third Edition Rulebook states a capacity of forty shots per power pack and the slightly more powerful Krieg lasgun has only twenty-five shots per power pack as stated in Imperial Armour V

That's very much out of date though. I haven't read any recent fluff that puts it below sixty except on special high-powered patterns of lasgun.

Melissia wrote:That's very much out of date though.

Can we make our comments somewhat more useful and less like this please when debating. ta.

Like he said IA isn't very old and it states Kriegers only have 25 shots per clip. And 40 shots isn't out of date its just a different pattern. There's literally got to be about 10,000 patterns of Lasguns. There's even at least 5 different types of standard power packs.

I'm surprised no one has mention the space marines that come in Assault on black reach. They have a average of 2-3 ammo packs on them. I could also assume that they don't just constantly fire like a lot of media depicts. I figured they would treat a weapon like that how we use the automatic grenade launchers in real life and that's short 3-4 round burst.

Bolt Guns don't fire bullets, they fire bolts.

Pedantry aside, I like to imagine that Bolters have an internal ammunition reserve so that they can be fired while the external magazine is being swapped out. Essentially the magazines just top-up the internal ammunition storage. Hence the bolter-drill that enabled 2nd edition Marines to fire twice if they didn't move, and that lets them add another die if Lysander is available is essentially a drill that Space Marines can do to swap out an empty external magazine. Why Space Marines? Because as Astartes they're physically able to hold a bolter steady enough to fire as they reload.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Like he said IA isn't very old and it states Kriegers only have 25 shots per clip.

Yes, which is a Krieg thing. Kriegers use what basically amount to Karabiner 98ks in lasgun form anyway.

My point, possibly poorly worded, was that it wasn't the norm . The norm would be stated in the Imperial Infantryman's Uplifting Primer.

Off Topic, but Elysian pattern is good for 50 shots but does not have a rapid fire option due to being expected to be cut off from supply lines.

in the Fluff, the DKoK uses a more powerful lasgun. hence lowering the number of rounds each pack holds.


the standard issue lasgun(meaning 90% of the different marks) fires around 500 rounds per pack.

Keep in mind that, on full-auto, they can empty it in less then a minute. usually on full-auto they reduce the power to get more rounds.



I belive the Elysians also carry more equipment then the standard guardsmen. probably 8-10 power packs to compensate for the lower ammo per pack.

Grey Templar wrote:in the Fluff, the DKoK uses a more powerful lasgun. hence lowering the number of rounds each pack holds.


the standard issue lasgun(meaning 90% of the different marks) fires around 500 rounds per pack.

Keep in mind that, on full-auto, they can empty it in less then a minute. usually on full-auto they reduce the power to get more rounds.



I belive the Elysians also carry more equipment then the standard guardsmen. probably 8-10 power packs to compensate for the lower ammo per pack.

I don't know where you're getting this 500 round number from. A Hellgun Backpack powerpack has only 200 rounds. Elysians have one of the longest lived packs and its only 50. There's no way you can get 500 rounds from a standard clip.

Guardsmen are required to have 2000 rounds avaliable at all times.

The Uplifting primer says that Guardsmen get 4 power packs.

2000/4 = 500

Grey Templar wrote:Guardsmen are required to have 2000 rounds avaliable at all times.

The Uplifting primer says that Guardsmen get 4 power packs.

2000/4 = 500

Well I haven't read that but I've read a lot of other stuff and I think 70 rounds is the absolute max. Unless a lasgun has a setting you can trim your beard with. That one you might be able to use 500 times but probably not even then.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:Guardsmen are required to have 2000 rounds avaliable at all times.

The Uplifting primer says that Guardsmen get 4 power packs.

2000/4 = 500

Well I haven't read that but I've read a lot of other stuff and I think 70 rounds is the absolute max.

Why? The Primer says otherwise.

You really should go read the Imperial Infantryman's Uplifting Primer, it's a great book and has lots of stealthy humor.