At his FULL power.....

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**MECID**

4M2A wrote:
Mars' orbital defenses, and (possibly) battlefleet Solar, since Mars is its primary naval base.

Then it doesn't disprove my earlier point. If the void dragon wanted to escape he could have called the necrons as soon as he was put there and they could get break him free and there would be no defences. If he wanted to escape why wait until there are huge defences around the planet. There are a lot of odd circumstances (like why is the void dragon helping the imperium) and my personal belief is that it's not just trapped but waiting.

Miraclefish wrote:
Horus only got his chance to slay the Emperor because he held back, hoping that some spark of his son remained. When he realised not, he killed him with a burst of psykic energy so powerful that the Gods fled Horus' body as they knew the blast would have destroyed them utterly. This is GW's take, not mine.
This.

AlmightyWalrus Wrote
Seriously, GW>us and all our thoughts on the subject.

GW have told specifically told us to take what they write with a pinch of salt.

If the emp could kill a chaos god why did he have use warding runes when working on the webway. It takes alot of his power to hold back the daemons and thats only a small amount of warp power trying to enter the real world compared to what the chaos gods would bring.

No, that is not true. As far as I have read if the Emperor allowed the portal beneath his throne to open, it would create a second rift in reality around the size of the eye of terror and I'd say that the birth of a chaos god is not just a small amount of the warp, it's atleast a fourth (since there are 4 chaos gods :p).

**grayspark**

Part 3: The Ork that strangled the Emperor

In my other thread "Defending the Emperor", I am confident any single ork in mortal combat with the Big E (with his full faculties) would last say, 2 secs? However, imagine the following:

"Using typical orkish cunning, the ork overlord and his army of nobz teleported into the lightly defended imperial compound where both the Emperor and Horus were in war counsel. Taken completely by surprise, the defenders reeled before the brutal onslaught. The Emperor, distracted from his deliberations made ready to take decisive action.

Unbeknown to the Imperium, all this was only a distraction. A space hulk in orbit has destabilised and was on track to smashing directly into imperial lines. Such a kunning act if allowed to succeed, would decapitate the imperial offensive and no one was sure if even the Emperor could survive the impending apocalypse.

Sensing the danger, the Emperor froze the plummeting space hulk in air through the sheer power of his bared might. The earth shook and the very skies boiled purple at this unprecedented act, an affront to the laws of gravity. For the barest moment, the astromomicon dimmed as the Emperor directed almost all of his will into the destruction of the space hulk. In a soul scorching flash, the space hulk exploded into millions of still lethal fragments.

Raising a kinectic shield of momentous size, the Emperor prevented an imperial catastrophe. However, in the Emperor's moment of exertion, the ork overlord seized this opportunity to close his power klaw around his neck and..."

Sorry for the badly written story. Just wanted to say that the Emperor was mighty indeed but the man could have had a lot on his mind when the strangulation occured.

From what I remember, the reason why the Ork Warlord was so powerful, was because not only was he a WARLORD (think Primarch of the orks!

) but that he was from a high gravity planet, where the comparison of the sizes of Orks went as followeds.

Grots the size of Orks.

Orks the size of Nobs.

Nobs the size of Warbosses.

Warbosses the size of Primarchs.

And a Warlord to rule " 'Dem all ".

**-Cypher-**

Interesting "facts" (how factual can fiction be said to be?) overkill. I always enjoy hearing fluff I haven't heard before.

Can you site a reference for the high-gravity fluff-bits grayspark?

**Kallimakus**

To the OP: No, he could not.
The Chaos gods were weaker than now, but still far beyond the Emperors power. That's why he decided that it was better to simply claim that no gods existed. If he had been succesful in his Crusade, the Imperium would be a calm place, with little war and violence. The societies would thrive and worlds would be in order. This stability would eventually weaken the Chaos Gods, allowing the Emperor to further reduce their influence. With access to webway, psykers would no longer be necessary for humanity's survival. Thus weakened, Chaos Gods could be at a level where the emperor can defeat them. Sadly, it didn't happen.

As for the Ork warlord, I think that the Emperors psychic powers are more based on controlling the warp than destroying cities. He was only mortal, and as such, even a moments preoccupation with something would allow an Ork to surprise him. Iirc the warlord tried to strangle him, and with this being the biggest, baddest Ork in history of the galxy, i don't think its such a stretch to think that it could take advantage of Emperors lapse of focus.

**gabrielhorus**

All that needs to be said on this subject is that the Emperor was enough of a threat to make ALL four Chaos Gods stop the Great Game. As they never do this personally (Black Crusades are not a truce between Chaos gods, just their followers) It says alot about what the Emperor was Capable of. He enslaved the most powerful of the C'tan at a time when spears were still high tech. His track record speaks for itself.

**KingDeath**

gabrielhorus wrote:All that needs to be said on this subject is that the Emperor was enough of a threat to make ALL four Chaos Gods stop the Great Game. As they never do this personally (Black Crusades are not a truce between Chaos gods, just their followers) It says alot about what the Emperor was Capable of. He enslaved the most powerful of the C'tan at a time when spears were still high tech. His track record speaks for itself.

The C'tan went to sleep 60 million years before the Emprah was born. Taking the events in Mechanicum literaly causes some glaring continuity errors while a metaphorical approach could avoid them.

Regarding the Horus vs. the Emprah fight, this is what King wrote about it ( in the Emperor vs. Horus shortstory ):

The Emperor lets fly. It strikes the Warmaster. Horus screams as destruction rains down on him, twisting and writhing in titanic agony. He strives frantically to counter the Emperor's deathblow but his struggles become ever more feeble as the lethal energies play over him.

Driven by all the force of his rage and pain and hatred the Emperor wills Horus's death. He senses the forces of Chaos retreat, disengaging themselves from their pawn. As they do so sanity returns to the Warmaster. The Emperor sees realisation of the atrocities he has commited flicker across Horus' face. Tears glisten there.

Nowhere does it mention that the Chaos gods were actualy in any peril. They simply did what they always do to followers who failed them, they left Horus to die alone.

The only serious danger that the so called Emperor posed to the daemongods were his political aspirations. A united and calm galaxy is a much worse place for the lords of chaos to thrive than a chaotic and wartorn one.

**Grey Templar**

*sniff sniff sniff

Hmmm, smells like old thread in here.

**KingDeath**

Grey Templar wrote:*sniff sniff sniff

Hmmm, smells like old thread in here.

Argh damn, the Necromancer cought me unaware of his foul sheming :(

**reds8n**

Thread is being locked due to thread necromancy.

If you do wish to refer to an old thread, you can always start a new one up and throw in a link to the old one.