Sir Pseudonymous wrote:
It's still an entire planet with a population less than the US. That's just absurdly low, especially for a world that's supposed to be the main defense against anything coming out of the Eye of Terror.
Not absurd, not low and definitly Cadians would perform better than US troopers against chaos.
Sir Pseudonymous wrote:
There's still no getting around the fact that it's an entire planet with a population smaller than an extremely low density country that occupies only 6% of the land on Earth. It's also a fifth of the population of another country that occupies only 2%, and something like a seventh the population of yet another country that occupies around 6%. Whether or not it's "enough" to defend the world or not still doesn't explain why it's so low in the first place. The only thing that explains that is bad writing...
Seems youre obsessed with this nonsense of
40k population density = real life population density.
The environment at
40k worlds isn't the same as here on earth. And they are placed in a sci-fantasy setting.
Sir Pseudonymous wrote:
Reread the first post.
I don't have to. Its pretty clear that you claim its valid to apply our restricted knowledge of the universe to extrapolate population of a different universe.
Should be obvious the only valid source to extrapolate
40k is
40k background.
Sir Pseudonymous wrote:
Pretty much the whole of pages 13 through 15 of the DE codex.
Can't be bothered to quote, can't you?
Sir Pseudonymous wrote:
Right in the OP I said it was all extrapolation and speculation, even though I'm confident in the numbers. Just like how, from the start, it's been about looking at the fluff using real life data and reason, and finding that the fluff frequently mimics what is reasonable to expect in the circumstances. The occasional wallbanger tries to throw a wrench in the works, but those can be brushed of as bad writing or involving circumstances beyond what's mentioned.
I see. Whatever doesn't float your boat is bad writing.
Sir Pseudonymous wrote:
The 32 million thing was ostensibly from the BRB as the number of hiveworlds in the Imperium. "Again, BRB page 115, estimated number of Hive worlds of the IoM = 3238 x 10^4"
Which would give a population in the quintillions at the very least. Which would make every other number we have make exactly no sense. So either it's a misquote, or whoever wrote that bit in the BRB makes CS Goto's writing look sound...
Its not a misquote, since almost anyone, except sir P. who relies on "copied"
BRB, can look up for themselves.
It does make sense, as the 1 million worlds stems from the comparision of the size of the adeptus astartes to the size of the
IoM.
Correctly it is less than 1 marine per imperial world.
So this page in the
BRB of the
IG's recrutement tells us they come from millions of worlds, thus 1 million wouldn't be millions, wouldn't it?
It is also an estimated number, like the number of guard regiments isn't given but said to be unknown even by the administratum.
GW does this all the time. There is no overall size given for any species. There is no limited number of creatures, but there may be a limited number of certain
highly specialized units.
Why one feels the urge to call the quality of the
BRB c-s-goto level is beyond me....
Emperors Faithful wrote:You do realise that if a rough Half-Chapter can pose a serious threat to the rulers of Commoragh then the DE can't possibly number anywhere in the trillions?
I hoped he would
Looks like it isn't possible to accept this....
Sir Pseudonymous wrote:
Or Commorragh is large enough, with fragmented power in the hands of minor nobles who despise each other, that in the time it takes to deploy 500+ marines and crash a crippled battle barge into a tower before the captured cruiser frees itself and it and the battle barge retreat through the nearby portal that Vect had jammed open nothing but those forces immediately on hand in the closest districts would have been deployed/arrived? With the exception of Lord Xelian, who was hit by the battle barge when it crashed into his tower, the nobles were all assassinated during the conflict by DE loyal to Vect, who was behind the whole thing in the first place, and undoubtedly working to sabotage the defense by loyalists during the confusion.
It is an unknown number of cities, and a larger number of estates, connected by webway portals, after all.
Too bad all 3 major powers of commoragh lost their might in a orchestrated trap of Vect, who would not make sure their forces would be there and suffer?
Can't believe you deem Vect that inable at setting traps....
Emperors Faithful wrote:
Webway portals that transport travellers almost instantly yes? The DE codex depicts every lowlife in Commoragh racing to get a piece of the action.
Exactly.
The marines wouldn't have left if it were just a few
DE arriving peacemeal.
The rise of Vect is a good piece of fluff.
It does not paint anyone as unable or covered in plot-armor as it sometimes does in other codices.
But it also doesn't provide trillions of
DE.
