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mindfield wrote:I guess lots of lasgun fire still would take it down, 4 wounds isnt that much compared to a bucket ful of lasgun

It's T6.

Lasguns can't hurt it, just like Bolters can't hurt a Wraithlord.

They wound it on 6, according to the S vs T table in the BRB.

Bolters won't hurt wraithlords/C'tan etc because there is a 4 pt difference. A 3 pt difference wounds on 6.

Ascalam wrote:

CSM- As marines, but with less options. *shrug* Oblits might help...

CSM have the Slaanesh Daemon Weapon, which instant kills things. So if the Dreadknight doesn't have Eternal Warrior, it's toast in one hit. Thankfully I have one in my list already so I'm not concerned with the Dreadknight.

sourclams wrote:

Exergy wrote:

sourclams wrote:
And Ghazzy successfully blows his 1/game ability to go kill a thing worth 60% of his points?
Similarly, what happens if a Vindicare shoots Ghaz with a shield breaker T1? On Ghaz' turn he has literally no save. Vindicare shoots him T2 with the Turbo Penetrator for 2 wounds, DK lands 2 punches on him with Hammerhand up, and he dies.

If the Vindicare shoots ghaz with a shield breaker he should lose his 5++ but not his mega armor save as that is not invunerable right? It merely becomes invulnerable by special rule, later after the Vindi has shot im with the shield breaker.

Mega armor is wargear. Ghazzy's WAAAUGH! functions to turn his armor save, granted by wargear, into an invulnerable save, which is still granted by wargear.

but shield breakers negate invulnerable saves, not regular armor saves. so at the time he is shot he will lose his 5++ but keep his 2+ because its not an invunerable save. Then when he declares his waaagh his 2+ becomes 2++.
Unless Ghazz waaaghed last turn and then got hit by a shield breaker. Then he would keep his 2+

Exergy wrote:

sourclams wrote:

Exergy wrote:

sourclams wrote:
And Ghazzy successfully blows his 1/game ability to go kill a thing worth 60% of his points?
Similarly, what happens if a Vindicare shoots Ghaz with a shield breaker T1? On Ghaz' turn he has literally no save. Vindicare shoots him T2 with the Turbo Penetrator for 2 wounds, DK lands 2 punches on him with Hammerhand up, and he dies.

If the Vindicare shoots ghaz with a shield breaker he should lose his 5++ but not his mega armor save as that is not invunerable right? It merely becomes invulnerable by special rule, later after the Vindi has shot im with the shield breaker.

Mega armor is wargear. Ghazzy's WAAAUGH! functions to turn his armor save, granted by wargear, into an invulnerable save, which is still granted by wargear.

but shield breakers negate invulnerable saves, not regular armor saves. so at the time he is shot he will lose his 5++ but keep his 2+ because its not an invunerable save. Then when he declares his waaagh his 2+ becomes 2++.
Unless Ghazz waaaghed last turn and then got hit by a shield breaker. Then he would keep his 2+

Actually, he'd be without save for a turn, as he doesn't have his armour save on a (game) turn that he Waaagh!s.

Dreadknight is only t6 2+/5++. 4 wounds. Not exactly a huge deal to take down.

... I seen a leaked copy of the codex (Just search google) and he is WS5 BS4 S7 T7 W4 A3 Ld10 Sv 2+/4++ Type MC 130pts ...
Has get two Doom Fists (not a clue) and can replace ether or both with ... Heavy incinerator, gatling psilencer, heavy psycannon (but only one of each) ... may also swap one doom fist for Daemon hammer or Greatsword (only one total)

... His 4+ gives him an edge of most MC but the same rules applies aim anti tank at him until he dies

The scandex has been around for at least a month now, and it seems the codex has made some small but meaningful changes. A lot of people have confirmed his base stats at S6/T6 with 2+/5++.

Field_Mouse wrote:

Ascalam wrote:

CSM- As marines, but with less options. *shrug* Oblits might help...

CSM have the Slaanesh Daemon Weapon, which instant kills things. So if the Dreadknight doesn't have Eternal Warrior, it's toast in one hit. Thankfully I have one in my list already so I'm not concerned with the Dreadknight.

Thats what I was thinking with my codex marines - just throw my TH/SS squad into it and watch it die.

I think it will be a little more complicated then that though. People can use 3 of these things in their list, and they arrive by deep strike, so they will be all over your lines. In a situation like this, its hard to rely on your "ace in the hole" (TH/SS terminators, Slaneesh Daemon weapon HQ ect) to take all three of them out. The bulk of your army is going to have to destroy them.

I think it will be a little more complicated then that though. People can use 3 of these things in their list, and they arrive by deep strike, so they will be all over your lines. In a situation like this, its hard to rely on your "ace in the hole" (TH/SS terminators, Slaneesh Daemon weapon HQ ect) to take all three of them out. The bulk of your army is going to have to destroy them.

The Dreadknights will probably try to move tightly packed and in a conga line so the first guy has the 5+ save and the 2 guys behind 4+ saves. Their survivability to shooting is good enough for the points. They are also good enough against uber units like TH/SS, TWC etc, but I have two issues with them: They are too vulnerable to hordes since they lost holocaust, and their offensive output is pretty weak both in the shooting and in the assault phase.

Why does everyone keep referring to the scandex?

Stop it. The black box has been around in various locations since monday.

He's S6/T6 with a 2+/5++