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I shall type it again.

Page 50 Force Weapons box

'....but also confer to the wielder one additional Psychic Power....'

Your model is given (conferred/bestowed upon, whatever term you care to use) an additional Psychic Power that you use *by taking a Psychic Test might I add* to kill my model.

*The term 'Pyschic Power' is quite clearly stated. It nowhere mentions that it is merely an ability or special rule or any other such attack.*

She is immune to Psychic Powers

I can't really be any clearer I'm sorry.

nosferatu1001 wrote:His rules specifically state that he treats FW as normal power weapons. Thats one big difference for a start.

Id like you to address the point I raised above, where you erroneously have decided that FW are psychic powers. Please, prove it or accept it isnt true.

"The psyker may then take a Psychic test to use the weapon's power against any one opponent... If the test is passed, the enemy model suffers instant death. This power may not be used..."

Wildboar - so you accept the power is not the same as the weapon? After all the weapon is conferring the power, so is unlikely to be the power itself.

Biccat - try reading the quote again. YOUR quote shows that the FW is NOT the power, whcih is what I said.

nosferatu1001 wrote:Biccat - try reading the quote again. YOUR quote shows that the FW is NOT the power, whcih is what I said.

Does it matter?

The Force Weapon doesn't convey to the model making the attacks any benefit, it causes instant death to the target.

A model immune to psychic powers would be immune to a Force Weapon's instant-death.

Indeed the Psyker may take a Psychic Test and may use his/hers/its/the weapons/a guns or any other form of Pyschic Power you may or may not have. The rule clearly states it is a Psychic Power.

It does not matter the source or by what means that 'Psychic Power' is applied in order to kill my model.

The model I have (in this example) is completely immune from all effects of psychic powers regardless of sort, type or any other means you may or may not have.

wildboar wrote:The model I have (in this example) is completely immune from all effects of psychic powers regardless of sort, type or any other means you may or may not have.

Only if it (or its unit) is targeted.

It is not immune to another model using a psychic power on itself, for example.

As opposed to other (named) models that have other effects that CAN do that.

Lady Malys should be hit and wounded as normal, as a force weapon without activation is not a psychic power.

She should be imune to the activation of regular force weapons, as the rule states the confered power is used against one opponent.

Lady Malys would not be imune to Nemesis Force Weapons, as their rule does not affect the opponent, but the squad, and causes all their unsave wounds to become ID.

Nobody expects the terran inquisition.

edit: spelling

Ok, maybe wires can be un-crossed a little here.

As the OP was mentioning Force Weapons attacks I have made my posts about the regular Force Weapons.

If nosferatu1001 is reffering to the *Nemesis Force Weapons, as mentioned by Jidmah above* a GK squad and/or their abilities I will freely admit I know nothing of them and if their ability differs from the one in the BRB then fair play.

I will, however stand by my posts 100% with regards to regular (BRB) Force Weapons and Lady Malys immunity to them.

Cheers

Wildboar - not true for GK FW, not true for Hammerhand, not true for "Guide" (to bring some 4th ed love out)

Spotted the difference yet?

wildboar wrote:Ok, maybe wires can be un-crossed a little here.

As the OP was mentioning Force Weapons attacks I have made my posts about the regular Force Weapons.

If nosferatu1001 is reffering to the *Nemesis Force Weapons, as mentioned by Jidmah above* a GK squad and/or their abilities I will freely admit I know nothing of them and if their ability differs from the one in the BRB then fair play.

I will, however stand by my posts 100% with regards to regular (BRB) Force Weapons and Lady Malys immunity to them.

Cheers

Hint: there is a huge locked thread containing the mentioned rules.

Yep, referring to the NFW

However lady malys is NOT immune to the Power Weapon part of a force weapon.

OFC she is not. Although in fairness I haven't claimed she cannot be hurt by them (i.e the power weapon) just that she is immune to the Psychic Power (ID causing part)

It was the final "FW and her immunity to them" - just making it clear

If your so scared of your warrior brood dieing go with stealers. They gank GK as they simul strike, so long as you charge and dont waste points on the broodlord.

As long as you dont charge through cover, of course....

Which won't happen as Gks a marines and marines don't hug cove... o'snap, libby with Sactuary

biccat wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:His rules specifically state that he treats FW as normal power weapons. Thats one big difference for a start.

Id like you to address the point I raised above, where you erroneously have decided that FW are psychic powers. Please, prove it or accept it isnt true.

"The psyker may then take a Psychic test to use the weapon's power against any one opponent... If the test is passed, the enemy model suffers instant death. This power may not be used..."

So does one "opponent" mean one human player or does it mean one tabletop model?

If one player, does that mean in an apoc game, if two separate players simultaneously attack a GK squad that he can only ID one of the players units?

If on Model, then can he only ID one Model?

I'm so confused!!

Why is this so nightmarishly convoluted?

I think I will go ahead and continue to take the psychic test before wounds are inflicted, and count them as ID wounds.

nosferatu, PG.50 states that Force weapons

"have the same effects as power weapons, but also confer to the wielder one additonal psychic power...."

It then goes on to clarify this does count towards powers used per turn and how to use this psychic power.

Lady Malys would be immune, due to the wording of pg.50

"the psyker may then take a Psychic test to use the weapon's power AGAINST ANY ONE OPPONENT that suffered an unsaved wound by the weapon in that player turn."

As another note, I wouldn't be too concerned with GKs IDing your warriors, since they have SitW, and most GKs are LD9.

Red devil: do you even know what you are arguing?

The tone of your [post is one of derision, or disagreement, yet your statement are no different from what Nos said.

No one has stated that Lady Malys is not immune to the ID effects of Force Weapons.

What was said is that Lady malys is not Immune to the Power weapon effect of a Force weapon(or NFW).