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Grey Templar wrote:Culexus Assassins wear the Animus Speculum which shields those around them from their Blankness.


and a "Small Army" of assassins is no more then a few dozen and then they are taking massive precautions to shield the Astropath.

Space Marines wouldn't find this practical.

Actually I am pretty sure I read somewhere (Eisenhorn novels?) that there are devices that can "dampen"/remove the blanks ability to affect psykers around him...I'm afraid I am not 100% sure...Anyway if this can work then why not?Make a SM chapter full of blanks, add limiters and there you have it a Blank Chapter that can travel to Cadia

I believe it's from Ravenor actually.

But anyway, the biggest problem with blank marines:

Blanks very presence can make others despise them, Battle Brothers hating on the blank is not very productive.

Though I think they would fit into the Black Templars quite well.

since we're on the topic, how about an IG regiment of blanks? This would not be unheard of given that the IG have tried in various books to make super soldiers before, i.e. col. shafer's last chancer novels. Also we know about the Inquisition's attempts at making pariahs in Atlas Infernal book what with that omega minus pariah embryo in a jar thingy. Also combined with w/e brain control thing Ravenor's blank has installed would solve that navigator problem bit with too many blanks. Funny, if you did have a ship of blanks, do you really need a gellar field?

On that thought, we've always been told that other people would not like blanks, but would another blank like another blank of the nearly same power level? more food for thought. Having more blank babies perhaps?

the Geneseed might enhance his psychic ability, but it wouldn't change a non-psyker into a psyker.

the same can be said of a Pariah.

But what if the Geneseed unlocked the Latent Pariah gene within the recruit, turning him null/blank.

I think a chapter could work, as there'd be no librarians, prehaps chaplains would carry out extra roles like a Commissar - checking for signs of possession/weakening null effect and killing the marine if it fails the check.

Squads could be limited to 5 or fewer, and squads must be spaced x" apart as that too many null brothers in close vicinity could cause null overload/weakening something like that which reduces there effectiveness and/or causes chaplain to make the above checks.

You can do it, just depends whether you take the time to make it balanced, and whether you or not you have docuhes for friends who can not comprehend why you are not using them as BAs/SWs/UMs lol

Do nulls also have immunity to warp energies?

Generally yes, although warp energies of truly massive power can break through and attack the null.

You would basically need a greater daemon to do anything to a Null and it would be extremely weakening to the daemon.

*Spoilers*


In the game space marine. Captain Titus showed extreme immunity to warp energy, could he be considered a null?

Viersche wrote:*Spoilers*


In the game space marine. Captain Titus showed extreme immunity to warp energy, could he be considered a null?

Wasn't an Immunity as much as a Resistance. He was still effected by it( when Nemeroth attacked him), but not as much as he should have( Nemeroth's countless comments about the matter)

Thing is, before he became a captain( found this on the relic forums somewhere), He had fought against the forces of chaos alongside his previous captain to a similar effect( old captain was crushed like a pea, Titus brought to knees, but not killed and eventually won).

Grass4hopper wrote:2. Since geneseeds can mutate, could a Chapters geneseed mutate to cause them to become blanks/untouchables?
- I realize this is unlikely mutation, but I just want to know if it's theoretically possible or is there anything in the fluff that would prevent it.

This quality is linked to the pariah gene, so it's usually present from birth. As others stated, mutations are a sign of influence by Chaos energies, and it seems unlikely Chaos energies would mutate something to be completely untouchable and inaccessible by Chaos.

Archon Baretz Sonok wrote:The Grey Knights would be the most likely to produce such a mutation. The Emperor and his offspring (The Sensei) all have a negative presence in the warp, so if you're going on the fluff that they used genes from the God-Emperor himself, it possible that it could make such a mutation. I know I'm reviving a dead post, but seemed like it should be mentioned.

Neither the Emperor or the Sensei were blanks:
''The Sensei have inherited great power from the Emperor. They also possess unique abilities of their own. Because they harbour none of the emotions or concepts embodied by the Chaos Powers, they are largely invisible to them, and can draw on the energies of the Warp to use their psychic powers without attracting daemons or other malicious forces of the Warp. Due to their harmonious relationship with the Warp, the Sensei are invisible to psychic senses, even to those of the Emperor.''

Blanks have no link to the warp.

As stated geneseed mutation to cause a blank is very unbeleivable withing the 40k universe mechanics

Blanks don't have no warp presense, they have a negative warp presense.


The presense of normal people has been compared to small bright lights twinkling in the warp. Psykers are raging beacons of light, just screaming "Come eat me!"

Blanks are dark voids. Spiriling whirlpools that suck in and devour warp energy.

Grey Templar wrote:Blanks don't have no warp presense, they have a negative warp presense.


The presense of normal people has been compared to small bright lights twinkling in the warp. Psykers are raging beacons of light, just screaming "Come eat me!"

Blanks are dark voids. Spiriling whirlpools that suck in and devour warp energy.

I said blanks have no link to the warp, in that they cannot use psychic powers. They have no link to the warp due to the fact that they have negative warp presence.

By warp link you imply they have no presense. They most certaintly have a presense in the warp.

They can't use warp powers, but they can manipulate negative warp energy.

Blanks (nulls, soulless, pariahs, and so forth) are shunned by normal society, who sense their 'wrongness.' Now, some Space Marine chapters recruit from hive gangs, or from the populations of prison worlds, or death worlds. I would assume that the blanks who survived to late childhood/early adolescence (when the Marine recruiters come calling) would be twice as hardcore as the other people on his world, since he had to go it all alone with no help. This would make him all the more likely to attract the attention of afforementioned Marines. I think that if anyone has the mental discipline to be able to accept a blank as their brother, it's a Marine. (After all, the members of Eisenhorn's group came to love Alizebeth Bequin.) Marines have showed time and again through the various novels that they are completely capable of working with someone they don't like.

I don't think it's common, but I think it is totally possible for a blank to become a Marine. I don't think there could be more than a handful in the entire galaxy, and I'm sure that if their ability is discovered they would be snaffled up by the Inquisition faster than you can spit. It'd be interesting to see any way you cut it.

The Inquisition would certaintly not take a Marine away from his chapter. that would open up a whole messy can of worms that wouldn't go down well.

I am sure the chapter would find a special use for him though.

I didn't mean they were going to kidnap him or anything. But Marines have been known to work with the Inquisition, and I'm sure they would love to have a blank Astartes.

said marine would find alot of work for the deathwatch... (tyranids/eldar/all those minor psychic aliens out there)
doubtful the grey knights are recruiting a null though I guess they could.... and he'd be too big to be a sister <_< although ordo heriticus does have that null rod so I'm sure a few more blanks would come in handy.

The GKs would never recruit a blank. It would be counter productive in the extreme since everyone is a psyker.

Ravenor recruited a blank. He's a psyker. I think that Ravenor and its sequels provide ample evidence that psykers can find good use for blanks.

And you will notice that he couldn't stand too close if he wanted to use his powers. or switch on his limiter.


While the GKs could use a blank, I would think that such a GK would feel isolated from his brothers. It would only be asking for trouble.

Didn't see that this was a necrothread, but since I went through the trouble of writing this up, I'll post it anyways.

The answer to the OP is no.

And a geneseed mutation could not produce a blank because none of the organs effect a Marine's psychic capabilties.

Let's look at Chapters known to have geneseed mutations:

The Salamanders' Melanchronin organ has mutated to give the Marines jet black skin and red eyes.
The Sons of Anteas' Ossmodula organ has mutated to give their bones a metallic composition.

The Melanchronin and Ossmodula enhance already present characteristics in a human. No such organ exists for physic powers.

There's also the matter of the selection process for aspirants. The final tests involve judgement from both the Master of Sanctity and Chief Librarian. In the Librarian's case, the test is a psychic screening of the aspirant's mind and soul. Since he'd be unable to do this test, the Librarian would never pass an blank aspirant on the grounds that he couldn't be trusted.

Now what if your chapter was so devestated like the astral knights that you have no librians left to screen @_@??

sudojoe wrote:Now what if your chapter was so devestated like the astral knights that you have no librians left to screen @_@??

Exactly - or that the Chapter was set up with no pyskers due to the activation of the pariah geneome within the recruit. A Chaplain or Apothecary could do the screening.

Jimsolo wrote:Ravenor recruited a blank. He's a psyker. I think that Ravenor and its sequels provide ample evidence that psykers can find good use for blanks.

Yep, that guy had a limiter that kept his power under wraps when needed.

Eisenhorn founded an entire organization of blanks, although they're all dead by now.

GK blank is impossible, since he would be entirely different from his battle brothers. Not only would they be unable to make him like the others, with the psychic powers integrated as part of all the wards, but he wouldn't be able to assist at squad-level powers, and indeed would hinder the rest of the squad. I feel comfortable saying there is absolutely zero chance a GK would be a blank.

As for other Chapters, I'm guessing it's far more likely they would refer the blank to the Inquisition.

Grey Templar wrote:By warp link you imply they have no presense. They most certaintly have a presense in the warp.

No they don't, thats the whole point of a blank

Blanks create a viod in the warp around themselves, a viod is a lack of, A blank has no presence in the warp as the warp is repealed away from them.

It depends on what definition of the word presence you use, but in the literal use of the word, they do not have a presense, and this is why they feel unnatural.

IMO if a full chapter was or became null then the Grey Knights would probably use them as a secondary chapter for chaos wold invasions.