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Yeah, they send the Guard to every planet in distress, unless there are other objectives on it. The Grey Knights go to every single one, they're usually faster due to better ships and because they have fore-warning of most of them. The Imperial Guard are not sent in place of the Grey Knights, the Knights have no ulterior motives, and they go to every single one.

How are 1000 marines going to respond to every daemonic attack in the galaxy?

This is 40k, even the imperiums fastest transports take months to move across the galaxy.

The IoM doesn't care if some small irrelevant planet far from anything else gets hit by daemons. It's not worth losing GK for.

Well they do, incursions aren't that common, and it's usually just a force of a few squads to each.

Grey Knights have modified ships, designed to be the fastest the Imperium can create, so take weeks at most, and they have fore-warning.

Yeah, it is worth it. Daemons can spread, the hole in the fabric of reality can widen unless it's closed, which is what the Grey Knights do.

The emperor is the only thing the IoM has that can shut warp storms. The GKs just kill what comes out.

How do the GK get pre warning? When warp storms occur they just happen. The best the imperium has a psykers trying to feel what is going to happen in the future usually they know something bad is going to happen but never where.

By 2 weeks most standard planets would be gone. Daemons can ignore most of the IoM defenses as they just appear next to you.

Daemonic Incursions don't always happen through warp storms.
The Prognoticars can see parts of the future.
Often they don't arrive to save the planet, the daemons are held up during the slaughter and GK can sweep in at some point and kill them.

Yeah but my point is that 1000 Gk would never get to every incursion in time. Many would have happened and gone by the time they get there.

It's all in the codex.

Through their psychic powers, they can close portals into the Warp, but it takes time and concentration, but stops any more Daemons coming through and destroys any Daemons already on the material side.

They have a special force of psykers on Titan called the Prognosticors, who are able to predict when and where the Daemons will be enter from the Warp. They have a large amount of fore-warning because of this. Coupled with their highly improved and augmented ships that are much faster than standard IN ones, so The Grey Knights are able to arrive before or only just after the incursion commences.
So, yes they are able to cover the entire Imperium.

iproxtaco wrote:It's all in the codex.

Through their psychic powers, they can close portals into the Warp, but it takes time and concentration, but stops any more Daemons coming through and destroys any Daemons already on the material side.

They have a special force of psykers on Titan called the Prognosticors, who are able to predict when and where the Daemons will be enter from the Warp. They have a large amount of fore-warning because of this. Coupled with their highly improved and augmented ships that are much faster than standard IN ones, so The Grey Knights are able to arrive before or only just after the incursion commences.
So, yes they are able to cover the entire Imperium.

Well no they aren't...
Someone gave an example of a daemonic incursion that had no GK intervention earlier in the thread.

So they missed one, they obviously can't cover every single planet, but out of over 1,000,000 planets, one is not bad for only 1000 guys.

There are undoubtedly more.
GK cannot cover all of the Imperium no matter how fast they go.
They can protect the important bits but they can't defend everything.

There is more than 1 planet they failed to get to, we just have 1 example.

GK are used when the IoM really cares. Most of the time they just flood the area with IG so the daemons can't get anywhere then wait for them to fade.

NO, the Grey Knights are sent to every single incursion they get knowledge of. The Imperial Guard are not used as a substitute.

iproxtaco wrote:NO, the Grey Knights are sent to every single incursion they get knowledge of. The Imperial Guard are not used as a substitute.

Sarthus Majoris.
IG were deployed to fight the daemonic incursion.

Daemonbane War-
Spacewolves fight daemonic incursion alone. Only later when they hear news of a radical inquisitor do the ordo malleus turn up.

Wait what? Grey Knights were there. That's where Alaric was captured.

iproxtaco wrote:Wait what? Grey Knights were there. That's where Alaric was captured.

Yeah, but IG were also sent.

That's Space Wolves, not Imperial Guard, and I actually said they are SENT TO, which according to you, they were., so not proof that IG are a substitute for Grey Knights, or that the Grey Knights aren't sent to every Daemonic incursion. If it has already been dealt with, then obviously they wont go.


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What's your point? I know that IG are sent, 4M2A suggested that IG are used as a substitute for the Grey Knights and that Grey Knights don't respond to every Daemonic incursion, which they do.

Thats a illogical argument- if they aren't needed they won't go.

GK go to every incursion that is important enough for them to be justified. Same reason spacemarines don't got to every war. Forces are used when required.

iproxtaco wrote:So, let the Daemons come through and cause massive destruction across multiple planets? Warp rifts do not have a definite time in which they will close. What if it lasts for years? The Imperium can't afford that. The Grey Knights are essentially a form of damage control, like pimped out secret space-firemen.

The Imperium can't afford to lose billions of people in an exterminatus action because the GK failed to halt a demonic incursion on a planet either.

That's not my argument though, Imperial Guard are not used in place of the Grey Knights. They are sent to where they are needed, regardless of the foe, except they don't know what they're going to be fighting. The Grey Knights are sent AS WELL.
If the incursion has already been cleaned up when the Grey Knights receive word, then they won't go, because there are no Daemons to clean up any more.

Every Daemonic incursion warrants the attention of the Grey Knights.


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cadbren wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:So, let the Daemons come through and cause massive destruction across multiple planets? Warp rifts do not have a definite time in which they will close. What if it lasts for years? The Imperium can't afford that. The Grey Knights are essentially a form of damage control, like pimped out secret space-firemen.

The Imperium can't afford to lose billions of people in an exterminatus action because the GK failed to halt a demonic incursion on a planet either.

Yes they can.

iproxtaco wrote:Eh? Imperial Guard ARE NOT sent against Daemons in place of the Grey Knights. They are sent to planets where they are needed, Grey Knights are sent to every Daemonic incursion, every single one, and they have no alternative motives other than to stop Daemons. The Guard don't know what they are fighting before they get there.

So what your saying is that gk, a force of a mere 1000 marines have protected the entire galaxy from daemons for 10,000 years and never once been defeated or even late?

Ill order the salt and you can pay for the truck needed to deliver it.

And if they actually do manage to do this, then arent daemons really a minor threat considering the resources needed to keep them occupied?

Not defeated no, they have stopped every Daemonic incursion before or the result is inconclusive so far (Sarthus Majoris). Define what you mean by late.

That's the wrong place to use the salt metaphor.

Hah, no they are not a minor threat.

iproxtaco wrote:

cadbren wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:So, let the Daemons come through and cause massive destruction across multiple planets? Warp rifts do not have a definite time in which they will close. What if it lasts for years? The Imperium can't afford that. The Grey Knights are essentially a form of damage control, like pimped out secret space-firemen.

The Imperium can't afford to lose billions of people in an exterminatus action because the GK failed to halt a demonic incursion on a planet either.

Yes they can.

No they can't, otherwise they wouldn't send GK in at all, they'd just exterminatus everything each and every time and save the GK for fighting the black crusades or similar.

They can afford to exterminatus a planet because the Grey Knights fail. It's used as a last resort because they want to keep the planet, but the Imperium certainly can afford to kill billions and make a world uninhabitable for a few hundred years to stop a Daemonic incursion, which could cause more damage. They would rather not, but they can afford it.

Now, to a Grey Knight, allowing a daemonic summoning to take place and the creation of a daemon world would be a loss no? Because theirs is a secret fight against all of the 666, and especially the 101, now I may be mistaken here, but they are not always successful in banishment, which is why they think of it as a fight which cannot be won, but must be fought anyway, there are daemons which not even the Dreadknight (LOL MY FACE OFF) can stand against, like the ghargatuloth, and the daemon from the ravenor trilogy, which in turn transform something into a daemon world.

No it wouldn't. They can predict them, but they can't stop them from happening.
Have any examples of Daemons the Grey Knights have failed to banish? Ghargatuloth has been banished twice by them.

iproxtaco wrote:...Grey Knights are sent to every Daemonic incursion, every single one...

LOLOLOLOLOL So every daemonic incursion ever? Even those on the Eldar Craftworld of Kher Ys?

Grey Knights aren't always available, and the Imperium HAS lost worlds to daemonic incursions...

There are other forces in the galaxy that also fight daemons.
SoB, various Space Marines, Eldar...

As for Grey Knights against everyone else... zeal + one of the best armor in the galaxy + psychic charged weapons + psychic powers that makes you piss in you pants and zeal that can't be matched.

They would literally stomp everyone else. Luckily for them there are only 1000 Grey Knights in the galaxy ( damn you M.W. ) and they are focusing only on Chaos and their servants.

Grey Knights are sent to possible major incursions. They tend to know when a Daemon of immense power is staging an attack.

They are a really powerful force, but they are only a tool used for anti-daemon invasions. Due to their limited numbers they can't be at every single incursion. Sometimes the Astartes, Sisters, and Guard are sent instead. Which is by no means not a solution. All three factions have more than capable means of defeating Daemons. It is only when a threat of great might comes through the warp that Grey Knights are sent.

But back on topic, Grey Knights seldom fight anything other than Daemons. On occaision another threat on a world they are cleansing might be present, so in that case yes, they would fight something other than a Daemon while they fight the Daemons.

iproxtaco wrote:Every Daemonic incursion warrants the attention of the Grey Knights.

This is a joke right? 1000 warriors cannot, and never will be able to, cover the million worlds of the Imperium. Look at the Deamon Codex for successful incursions.


And what is this about Exterminatus not being a loss? The Imperium values worlds much more than the billions of lives they send to defend them. This is exactly why they'd rather conduct a 50 year campaign, with many millions dead, than kill the planet off. If a GK team needs to resort to an Exterminatus that means they have failed to preserve the planet, meaning they lost.