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You are reading too much into that phrase "for any reason" It still does not trump the fact that you have to actually be stopped, and not just waiting for a Morale Check to be taken.

I disagree-- while I can see your point, it's hard for me to agree that some reasons for stopping or pausing don't qualify as "any reason."

the vehicle never ac tuall stops - the phrase "keeps moving" tells you this.

It could not keep moving if it stopped at any point.

But the vehicle clearly does stop, because you move it until certain conditions are reached, and once you reach those conditions you stop moving it. One of those conditions is reaching an enemy unit, and later instructions indicate that you keep moving after resolving the shock-- but you have to stop, even momentarily, to resolve it in the first place!

Fetterkey wrote:you stop moving it.

This does not equal the vehicle stopping. It is still moving, and you keep moving it after you find out the results of the tank shock.

Fetterkey wrote:you move it until certain conditions are reached, and once you reach those conditions you stop moving it.

It does not state this anywhere. The only thing you do when you reach a non-vehicle enemy unit is resolve the tank shock.

Fetterkey wrote:But the vehicle clearly does stop, because you move it until certain conditions are reached, and once you reach those conditions you stop moving it.

Except that, once again, it doesn't say to stop moving the tank if you reach an enemy unit.

It says that the enemy unit needs to roll a morale test at that point, and that the tank keeps moving regardless of the outcome. Nowhere in there does it actually say to stop the tank.

Monster Rain wrote:The FAQ is explicit in this case.

I don't understand why this troll thread is still open.

My point exactly, the question's been answered.

DeathReaper wrote:

Fetterkey wrote:you stop moving it.

This does not equal the vehicle stopping. It is still moving, and you keep moving it after you find out the results of the tank shock.

So the fact that the vehicle has stopped moving does not mean that it has stopped?

insaniak wrote:Except that, once again, it doesn't say to stop moving the tank if you reach an enemy unit.

That's technically correct but misleading-- it says to move UNTIL you either reach an enemy unit or reach the end of your move. Once one of those conditions is reached, you stop moving and proceed to the next section. However, since you've stopped for any reason, you are at this point destroyed.

But that is the thing, the vehicle has not stopped its movement.

Just because you are not keeping the vehicle in continuous motion, does not mean the vehicle has stopped its movement.

There is a difference between the vehicle stopping, and the player Physically not keeping the vehicle in continuous motion to turn, to measure how much distance he has left, or to resolve a tank shock. In all three situations the player does not keep the vehicle in continuous motion, but the vehicle has not stopped moving.

It is a subtle difference that is not really hard to understand.

Fetterkey wrote:That's technically correct but misleading-- it says to move UNTIL you either reach an enemy unit or reach the end of your move. Once one of those conditions is reached, you stop moving and proceed to the next section. However, since you've stopped for any reason, you are at this point destroyed.

Exactly it says to move UNTIL you either reach an enemy unit or reach the end of your move.

Once you reach an enemy unit YOU STILL DO NOT STOP, you have the opponent make a Morale check and you keep moving. This is what happens when you reach an enemy unit, nothing else.

Fetterkey wrote:That's technically correct but misleading-- it says to move UNTIL you either reach an enemy unit or reach the end of your move. Once one of those conditions is reached, you stop moving and proceed to the next section. However, since you've stopped for any reason, you are at this point destroyed.

You keep inserting that extra bit that isn't actually in the rules.

Yes, it says to move until you reach an enemy unit or the end of your movement.

What happens when you reach an enemy unit, though, is exactly what the rules tell you should happen. To whit, they take a Morale test and the tank keeps moving. Note the 'keeps moving' that has already been pointed out to you multiple times. The tank keeps moving. Which means it doesn't stop.

So, yes, you move the tank until it contacts an enemy unit... at which point you keep moving the tank until it runs out of movement.

Somewhere in the middle of that there is a morale test, but at no point does the tank stop, because the rules don't actually tell you to stop the tank.

If you "keep moving" you CANNOT have stopped. It is linguistically impossible.

You cannot dispute this, not without betraying an ignorance of the english language.

If I may also add this bit from the movement phase. The unit you have declared a movement with is done moving when you have finished moving it. Stopping and going is irrelevant as you are still in the process of moving that unit. You can move it, stop it, do a little dance with it, and then continue moving. As long as you are still in the process of moving it..

"Once a unit has completed all of its movement, the player selects another unit and moves that one, and so on, until the player has moved all of the units he wishes to move. "

and

"Once you started moving a unit, you must finish its move before you start to move another unit. "


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Another thing I don't understand, he is talking about quotes from the rulebook for it stopping and all.. And as I'm sure has been mentioned. The method for tank shocking only gives 2 times the vehicle would stop (outside of DoG and such). That is 1" of an enemy vehicle or friendly unit.. otherwise stop isn't used. I don't understand what the basis is for saying otherwise..

Fetterkey wrote:
So the fact that the vehicle has stopped moving does not mean that it has stopped?

The model may have to hang about while you do some paper work, but in the process you are abstracting the vehicle never does stop moving. The game is made up almost entirely of stop motion to allow for all the dice rolling required for an abstraction of continuous and simultaneous action.