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Chowderhead wrote:The head of the Manticore makes me want to cry for mommy.

Although, I could use the rider...

If you want to you could buy it and give me the Manticore

These models are interesting, I adore the Necromancer and the Sorceress, their both beautiful sculpts in my eyes. The Chaos Sorcerer Lord looks a bit weird, there's not much wrong with it beyond the horns, but compared to the other Sorcerers from Chaos it's sub-par. The Tzeentch sorcerer looks aweful, both the creature itself and it's pose look aweful in my opinion.

The Cockatrice looks lovely in my opinion, the only problems are the hand on the tail and of course Citidel Failcast. The Chimera still looks aweful in my eyes, it may be partially due to having looked at the Banebeasts Chimera recently, but it still looks pretty rubbish. The Manticore, it gets a lot of hate, but it's not the worst, I think it's better than the Chimera at least, it looks better with a rider, and some of the paint jobs haven't really helped it, but it does look ok. The Dragon looks gorgeous so long as you use the head that isn't stolen from a Hydra. The Greater Taurus and Lammasu are beautiful, while they are old and as a result small and the Taurus is a little goofy I love these models, I'm exstatic to have them back, even in Failcast, and plan to buy a Lammasu as soon as it comes out and I have the money

The Vortex Templates are gone from the US site. They do not even show up on a search. They are still on the UK site. I wonder is somebody got a lot of these to sell on ebay.

Well if you're willing to pay twice the price (+shipping) you can still get 'em from the GWOZ store.

Anaxagoras wrote:Had old He-man toys when I was young, they didn't look like this terrain...but hey meaningless hyperbole is fun, right?

100,000% agree. He-man and the Masters of the Universe playsets were never that hammy.

Cockatrice is nice, better than all the other monsters by far. It fits well with the lore and aesthetic. While cartoony may work for dwarves, it does not for the other monsters. Don't know what to think of the one-pose one-character plastic kits...no variation, no truly fanastic detail. The concept is sound but the execution...no so much. at $22 a pop, I expect more than one pose on a single model. These are not the same quality as IoB which is really disappointing (with the epic Skaven Warlord and High Elf Mage sculpts).

Looking at their list of monsters that can be used, seems like just about everything is there.

I might have to make a zombified Stegodon and Carnosaur. Actually, that's a pretty appealing idea.


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Ehsteve wrote:at $22 a pop, I expect more than one pose on a single model. These are not the same quality as IoB which is really disappointing (with the epic Skaven Warlord and High Elf Mage sculpts).

Huh? The only multipose characters so far have been the characters that come in a full box, like the Space Marine captain and Terminator lord. And they're far more than $22au. Everything else has been single pos metal, and is the same price as the plastics.

Exactly. These aren't plastic kits, they're single frames. They're just the logical plastic equivalent of a single-pose metal model (only lighter, easier to put together and far easier to convert). It's a big step in the right direction for GW.

I like the look of the HQ frames as well. Maybe there’s hope for GW yet.

For $44 I can get 2 models for the Empire General kit. It is double the cost yes, but you get double the models and poseability and beautiful, beautiful leftover bits.

For $41 I can get 2 models from the Empire Wizards kit, same deal, and I save a whole $1!

Same deal with the High Elf Mage, High Elf Prince and Noble, Orc Warboss.

Only thing I'm saying is that those kits are not worth the $22, if they were sitting around $18 I could understand. Even for GWOZ that could be considered 'reasonable'. The concept is good, but could definitely be finetuned. That and these models don't exactly wow me with their static poses. Island of Blood: great single pose easy to assemble characters, but the 20mm base character go off ebay for $5-$7 a model while these are sitting pretty at $22.

And what part of "these aren't kits" did you fail to comprehend there Rob?

They're worth as much as the metal models (not from a material cost perspective) because that's basically what they're there to replace. An Empire General kit is meant to represent all sorts of things - different weapons, mounted/unmounted, BSB, etc. A Tzeentch Sorcerer kit is just there to represent that - a Tzeentch Sorcerer kit. It's no different to a Jump Pack Chaplain or Commissar Yarrick.

My point has been to justify their cost, which I have yet to be convinced. They lack value in my eyes at the moment. I have stated the idea is great, but that I'm not racing to my nearest GW to buy one because they do not hold the same value to me as a metal character or plastic character kit, which they are pinning the cost of these models against. These models do not measure up.

Why don't they hold the same value as the metal ones?

Watched Jurassic Park last night H.B.M.C and a quote just popped into my mind regarding what you said

"Are those heavy?"

"Yeah"

"Then there expensive, put 'em down"

:-D

So did I! Gotta admit, it's a cracking film, especially due to it not using CGI!

I preferred the quote "Clever girl." but I can see that your quote kinda fits the thread, as opposed to mine.

Yup, even after all these years and me being now 25, I STILL love it. Original and the best!

We're getting off topic, but Jurassic Park happens to be my all time fav film, so unintentional apropos guys. Well done.

But it does use CGI, quite a bit of it, and quite a bit of it still holds up today.

ghosty wrote:So did I! Gotta admit, it's a cracking film, especially due to it not using CGI!

Yes, it was rubbish when they didn't use real dinosaurs in the sequels.

The unbearable in defence of the inexcusable...

Anaxagoras wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:


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There is no amount of paint jobs/camera angles/smoke and mirrors that can cover up what ugly bloody minis those monsters are. They are all 'not very good'. Given Trish (Carden/Morrison)'s Carmine Dragon on Warhammer Forge and how much I like it, I can only guess she was very rushed for these things.

With the exception of the stairwell, the rest of the terrain is goofy, immature and daft. It's like old He-Man toys.

The wizards, on the other hand, are all bloody excellent. The Dark Elf and Tzeentch ones especially. Nelson is on top of the game, just like Goodwin.

I actually quite prefer the GW one. And at about 1/2 the price.

Had old He-man toys when I was young, they didn't look like this terrain...but hey meaningless hyperbole is fun, right?

Why is my comment hyperbole? Could you explain what I have exaggerated or do you not understand the meaning of the word? As to meaningless, I have put forward an objective criticism as a collector of the GW miniatures for over 20 years, my opinion carries as much weight as anyone else on this forum. What qualification do I need to pass your test?

I think there is a similarity and it's a shame as it's overly exaggerated aesthetic reminds me of cartoons, not the dark fantasy setting I have loved from WHFRP and RoC.

Anaxagoras wrote:
"They look like toys" is an easily dismissive way to bash anything that requires no justification. If you don't like the aesthetic you don't like the aesthetic, but I don't really see how much of this release looks more or less like "toys" than most of GW's releases, and if you just don't like GW aesthetic, well why would you even bother to keep posting?

Maybe... just maybe... there are several aesthetics in GW stuff? I personally believe that I've been seeing a very strong shift in the overall fantasy aesthetic just recently with the last orc and goblin releases, these monsters, and so on taking on a very heavy 'WoW' look that I pesonally don't care for at all as it seems to detract from the dark fantasy that WHFB used to do so well. Hyper-expressive at the detriment of fine detail and subtlety.

Anaxagoras wrote:
Everybody keeps stroking this new Infinity game, which to me looks like cheap anime crap, but I don't sit on whatever infinity threads are out there to dog on them.

Well, you're in a minority there, just as from the general comments here, you are also in a very small minority. Leaping up and down in that minority and being rude and all... did you bother to stop and consider why others have come to this conclusion?

Anaxagoras wrote:
I really feel like bitching about GW is almost as big a hobby as playing GW...what a sad little world some people live in.

Welcome to Dakka, we are allowed to make criticisms here, if you don't like it, feel free to set sail to one of the more 'happyjoy' forums for the blindly faithful.

Good Day Sir.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Welcome to Dakka, we are allowed to make criticisms here, if you don't like it, feel free to set sail to one of the more 'happyjoy' forums for the blindly faithful.

And by that he means 'Warseer'.

MeanGreanStompa wrote:Welcome to Dakka, we are allowed to make criticisms here

Pfft, we are?

I really feel like bitching about GW is almost as big a hobby as playing GW...what a sad little world some people live in.

The only thing GW give away for free these days is plenty of ammunition and an unmissable target.
I like easy hobbies so it would be folly not to take them up on the kind offer!

Sidstyler wrote:

MeanGreanStompa wrote:Welcome to Dakka, we are allowed to make criticisms here

Pfft, we are?

As long as it's about GW. Everyone else is flawless.

I don't like the font Infinity uses on its website
Does that count?

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:I don't like the font Infinity uses on its website
Does that count?

Hater!

I'm rather annoyed at the similarity between these two.

Avatars of War did it first....and more...inspiring.



GW version

AoW has boobies. Can't have that now. Everyone knows females in wargaming are a myth.

Looking over the pics, I really like the terrain.. especially the stuff with the purple bricks.. looks cool and magicy. Cool idea that I might steal. I think I might get a cockatrice, others I'm not sure about.

Anyone know how the Arachranok works in SoM? is it the same as what's in the orcs & goblins book, or could you take it as just the spider itself for other armies? I just finished painting mine but didn't start on the top part so I might just leave it and use it as an extra monster for my lizards I have tons of other gobliny stuff so I don't think the spider will be missed... might be fun to put some skinks on top though...

Admit it Necros, you just want a Skinkapault.

Deadshane1 wrote:I'm rather annoyed at the similarity between these two.

Avatars of War did it first....and more...inspiring.



GW version

I see your Avatar's of War and raise you some reapers (The avatar's of war looks the best, though. ):

Released 4/30/07


And, for completion... Released 5/03/2010

It's true. Nothing says I love you like a skink in the face.