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I see 100%, but I'm just saying that Storm of Magic is going to let me use a Hydra against those dried up achievement hunters who follow rules to the death without a lecture about balance. Take that, you soulless gremlins.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:With the exception of the stairwell, the rest of the terrain is goofy, immature and daft. It's like old He-Man toys.

You think so? I think the staircase is the worst of them - it's overly busy with all those panels, a bit like the wizard's tower they released. The portal is just as bad, with the goofy reapers. I like the throne though - it's big skulls fit perfectly with the Temple of Chaos piece, so much so that they could go together. And the spiral vortex thingy is just good for a dozen different conversions and whatnot.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:The wizards, on the other hand, are all bloody excellent. The Dark Elf and Tzeentch ones especially. Nelson is on top of the game, just like Goodwin.

And with any luck single-frame plastic characters is the future (rather than Failcost).

H.B.M.C. wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:With the exception of the stairwell, the rest of the terrain is goofy, immature and daft. It's like old He-Man toys.

You think so? I think the staircase is the worst of them - it's overly busy with all those panels, a bit like the wizard's tower they released. The portal is just as bad, with the goofy reapers. I like the throne though - it's big skulls fit perfectly with the Temple of Chaos piece, so much so that they could go together. And the spiral vortex thingy is just good for a dozen different conversions and whatnot.

I've seen that Wizard Tower, without the shields and gubbins and gubbins on the gubbins, without all that crap it looks really good. The mansion is similar in that regard.

One of the things I think GW does pretty well and more reasonably priced, is the terrain. I hate that giant skull temple you reference though. It again looks like a child's toy. They should go back and look at the terrain from the WAR online game. That stuff looked amazing. We are moving very quickly into things in fantasy looking like toys. From the recent boars and minotaurs, to the skullz!! terrain, it's looking like it's about creating an IP in their fantasy stuff, perhaps given these models, to the detriment of the aesthetic.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:The wizards, on the other hand, are all bloody excellent. The Dark Elf and Tzeentch ones especially. Nelson is on top of the game, just like Goodwin.

And with any luck single-frame plastic characters is the future (rather than Failcost).

Perhaps... perhaps failcost will only be an 'interim' until a full shift to plastic, I would suspect so given how much cheaper the plastic is, even to resin. However, the cockatrice being in failcost puzzles me and puts that into some doubt.

I am very interested to see the other mini companies step up and produce these monsters to look better for about the same money (or less...).

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:With the exception of the stairwell, the rest of the terrain is goofy, immature and daft. It's like old He-Man toys.

You think so? I think the staircase is the worst of them - it's overly busy with all those panels, a bit like the wizard's tower they released. The portal is just as bad, with the goofy reapers. I like the throne though - it's big skulls fit perfectly with the Temple of Chaos piece, so much so that they could go together. And the spiral vortex thingy is just good for a dozen different conversions and whatnot.

I've seen that Wizard Tower, without the shields and gubbins and gubbins on the gubbins, without all that crap it looks really good. The mansion is similar in that regard.

One of the things I think GW does pretty well and more reasonably priced, is the terrain. I hate that giant skull temple you reference though. It again looks like a child's toy. They should go back and look at the terrain from the WAR online game. That stuff looked amazing. We are moving very quickly into things in fantasy looking like toys. From the recent boars and minotaurs, to the skullz!! terrain, it's looking like it's about creating an IP in their fantasy stuff, perhaps given these models, to the detriment of the aesthetic.

Actually, a lot of the terrain from the Warhammer: Age of Reckoning game is quite similar to these pieces.

Maybe something is being lost in the translation?

Interestingly, the Manticore in the Collector's Edition artbook actually looks really similar to the one Trish produced. Ugh.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:The wizards, on the other hand, are all bloody excellent. The Dark Elf and Tzeentch ones especially. Nelson is on top of the game, just like Goodwin.

And with any luck single-frame plastic characters is the future (rather than Failcost).

Need to look again at some of the terrain and wizards
Was so disappointed with the monsters overall that I didn't really notice them.
Interesting that the (imho) lovely Carmine Dragon was allowed to be developed over a long period.

Hope Trish is allowed to continue working that way with projects as much goodness will come of it.

Where did the vortex templates go?

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Need to look again at some of the terrain and wizards
Was so disappointed with the monsters overall that I didn't really notice them.
Interesting that the (imho) lovely Carmine Dragon was allowed to be developed over a long period.

Hope Trish is allowed to continue working that way with projects as much goodness will come of it.

I don't think it was so much "the Carmine Dragon was allowed to be developed over a long period" so much as "Trish was working on it over a long period because it was for her personal collection".

Well frankly the Carmine Dragon is about the weakest thing that Warhammer Forge has yet put out, and way worse than the dragon FW put out some years ago (though that was much larger scale, if i recall). in the end, Morrison is just a mediocre sculptor, and the monster sculptors of other companies have by now simply surpassed her limited skills.

the plastic sorcerers are pretty awesome though. i don't play Fantasy, and don't plan to, but will buy at least the Chaos one and the Necromancer, and figure out some way to convert them into something playable for 40K, just because they are so well done. and plastic! PLASTIC!

The head of the Manticore makes me want to cry for mommy.

Although, I could use the rider...

Hmmm, I like the manticore... you like chaos lord..

Is there anything new for Skaven or am I a bit late for the party?

Totally getting both Chaos Sorcerors; a couple arm swaps, a new weapon, and a new head ought to satisfy my conversion needs.

Also totally getting the new Black Dragon. My Dark Elves are wetting themselves in anticipation.

Foda_Bett wrote:Where did the vortex templates go?

I bet they sold out. Limited quantities go fast- I got one confirmed on an order.

Finally some monsters I can use with Warhammer Quest...excellent...

MGS makes a good point here. In the event that you are won over by some of the new monsters, you really don't need a rulebook to drop one on the table.

You only really need the rules for the magic craziness, but it's a moot point as to whether this brings any value to the game.

All those models look like gak, with the possible exception of the vampire guy and the black dragon.

This, on the other hand:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Where is that from, and who do I have to feth to get one?

Omegus wrote:Where is that from, and who do I have to feth to get one?

Its from Banebeasts (Maelstrom Games) and costs £80.99 as opposed to the Citadel one which is £25.50. I like the paint job on the Banebeast one but I'd be hard pressed to do a decent job of it myself. Also I find the Banebeast model to be a bit static for me. I love the goat's head on it but the rest is a bit meh. (Idont get the crocodile head and there are many models and statues of lions if I really felt the need for one. I'd rather buy the Citadel one and then sort the dragon head out using the alternative Dark Elf Dragon head. But I'm going to wait until I see the SoM rulebooks to see what special abilities the monsters have. I already have an HPA for my skaven and am holding out for a Ghorgon for my Beastmen. I'll be trying to get hold of the limited edition items but I'm not fussed about buying the monsters right now as I'm still busy painting my Skaven force.

I like Banebeasts as luxury display items but for something thats going to get handled a lot in games I'd rather have the cheaper one.

Bloodwin wrote:

Omegus wrote:But I'm going to wait until I see the SoM rulebooks to see what special abilities the monsters have.

From the looks of it, just a selection of add on USRs such as poisoned attacks, killing blow etc. Some have chomp and tail attacks. Chomp sounds intriguing, but I suspect that it amounts to an attack that causes D3 wounds (similar to a Carnosaur).

I really like the look of the magical vortex tower thing.
Might get one.

I got quite suprised by the amount of plastic they are releasing. At first i tought the mages and all monsters were finecast... nice to see them i plastic, even thou I dont have anything aginst finecast. Easier to work with.

Btw anyone know a good hooded head to use on the necromancer?

Im also happy to see a dark elf dragon, looks like there are lots of nice bitz on the sprues.

I LOVE plasitc. So much easyer to work with than any other material.

I too thought they were finecast, at first, but I am so pleased that GW have managed to do something right for a change.

Moopy wrote:

Foda_Bett wrote:Where did the vortex templates go?

I bet they sold out. Limited quantities go fast- I got one confirmed on an order.

Kinda a fail release if the items are not available in less than 24 hours.

Bloodwin wrote:

Omegus wrote:Where is that from, and who do I have to feth to get one?

Its from Banebeasts (Maelstrom Games) and costs £80.99 as opposed to the Citadel one which is £25.50. I like the paint job on the Banebeast one but I'd be hard pressed to do a decent job of it myself. Also I find the Banebeast model to be a bit static for me. I love the goat's head on it but the rest is a bit meh. (Idont get the crocodile head and there are many models and statues of lions if I really felt the need for one. I'd rather buy the Citadel one and then sort the dragon head out using the alternative Dark Elf Dragon head. But I'm going to wait until I see the SoM rulebooks to see what special abilities the monsters have. I already have an HPA for my skaven and am holding out for a Ghorgon for my Beastmen. I'll be trying to get hold of the limited edition items but I'm not fussed about buying the monsters right now as I'm still busy painting my Skaven force.

I like Banebeasts as luxury display items but for something thats going to get handled a lot in games I'd rather have the cheaper one.

Thanks for the link, some solid stuff there. Euryalia would make an awesome Slaaneshi Daemon Princess.

Pyri wrote: I got quite suprised by the amount of plastic they are releasing. At first i tought the mages and all monsters were finecast... nice to see them i plastic, even thou I dont have anything aginst finecast. Easier to work with.

Btw anyone know a good hooded head to use on the necromancer?

Im also happy to see a dark elf dragon, looks like there are lots of nice bitz on the sprues.

Looking at the Necromancer, I wouldn't be at all surprised if it's compatible with the Empire Wizards, and indeed the bloke on the Corpse Cart.


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Also worth pointing out, though I think it's pretty much a given, looks like Ogres will be creeping out obscurity before long.

White Dwarf mentions their Cataclysm Spells, and says Ogres use 'The Lore Of The Great Maw'.

I know, not exactly earth shattering, but added to the current lack of Finecast, it's pretty encouraging that they'll be out this year.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

There is no amount of paint jobs/camera angles/smoke and mirrors that can cover up what ugly bloody minis those monsters are.

lol this is so true. You'll come out with a better effect just gluing a Todd Mcfarlane dragon to a base and putting a dark elf on top.

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There is no amount of paint jobs/camera angles/smoke and mirrors that can cover up what ugly bloody minis those monsters are. They are all 'not very good'. Given Trish (Carden/Morrison)'s Carmine Dragon on Warhammer Forge and how much I like it, I can only guess she was very rushed for these things.

With the exception of the stairwell, the rest of the terrain is goofy, immature and daft. It's like old He-Man toys.

The wizards, on the other hand, are all bloody excellent. The Dark Elf and Tzeentch ones especially. Nelson is on top of the game, just like Goodwin.

I actually quite prefer the GW one. And at about 1/2 the price.

Had old He-man toys when I was young, they didn't look like this terrain...but hey meaningless hyperbole is fun, right?

Had old He-man toys when I was young

Funny you should say that.

I saw some dragon type monsters in Pounland the other day. Might be a tad small (5" approx iirc) but given that my first thought on seeing these images was, "They look like toys" ...

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:

Had old He-man toys when I was young

Funny you should say that.

I saw some dragon type monsters in Pounland the other day. Might be a tad small (5" approx iirc) but given that my first thought on seeing these images was, "They look like toys" ...

Pics? Comparisons?

"They look like toys" is an easily dismissive way to bash anything that requires no justification. If you don't like the aesthetic you don't like the aesthetic, but I don't really see how much of this release looks more or less like "toys" than most of GW's releases, and if you just don't like GW aesthetic, well why would you even bother to keep posting?

Everybody keeps stroking this new Infinity game, which to me looks like cheap anime crap, but I don't sit on whatever infinity threads are out there to dog on them.

I really feel like bitching about GW is almost as big a hobby as playing GW...what a sad little world some people live in.

On topic-great looking figs and release. Looks like I need about 250 to give to GW this time around (the SoM and spellbook, Manticore, Chimera, the chaos wizards and both terrain sets)

Here is my summary:

the new plastic kits liking them all tzeentch one is the worst but still isn't bad the normal sorcerer im gonna get and stick a archon head on it for the full armour look

templates and dice can never have to many

i like the chimera kit mainly in dark blue as shown as the reptile head doesn't take center stage

the black dragon is beasty the alternate head is the better of the two and new parts and conversions make taking the kit viable

cockatrice is very nice only fault is the legs there to high to be realistic but to low to be arm like but an easy conversion maybe

overall seem pretty good the scenary might need a little work but the base is ok to work with and painting is important

"They look like toys" is an easily dismissive way to bash anything that requires no justification. If you don't like the aesthetic you don't like the aesthetic, but I don't really see how much of this release looks more or less like "toys" than most of GW's releases, and if you just don't like GW aesthetic, well why would you even bother to keep posting?

The comparison is already there and has subsequently reappered several times since MGS posted it.
You may not agree with me and think they are hyperreal representations of mythical beasts if you like.
That is fine and you are entitled to your opinion.

Read my posts above and tell me where I have stated that I dislike GW aesthetic as a whole?
I suggest that anyone would interpret my postings as indicative of a model by model critique, which is how I approach the issue.

In my estimation the photos show a model that is toy like in terms of softness of form and in the stylisation of the paintwork and colours chosen.
Just because it is a product of the Holy and Infallible Games Workshop doesn't mean it automatically is a work of genius as far as I'm concerned.

It's an odd piece butI have a friend who want to do that cockatrice for demon (he has 17 demons so it should be good) and I have a feeling if he does it then I would like it then because seldom honestly do the EAVY Metal people do models like that justice. Namely because they are painting for a certain style that is quick and meant to be easily altered by photoshop.