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Meh.
I understand HBMC's opinion. My reaction is not as intense, because GW lost most of my business a couple of years ago.

I have seen and held the actual product, and none of the ones I saw had any major flaws compared to metals. Others have painted them up and they look fine. I have no objections to resin in principle.

But I can't see myself ever paying GW's asking price for a finecast miniature.

I was surprised to see that some of the new release single figures (like the DE sorceress, Necromancer, and the Tzeench champion) were plastic, not finecast. It made me wonder, if they are able to do that, why bother with Finecast at all?

They have nothing worth buying for me and thus no reason to even consider Finecast. Now should a required model come where I have to get one, then we'll see as I may just go the route of conversion instead of shelling out 20$ for a single model that requires 5 for a unit =/

Ya, and with the recent price increase.......

Mr Mystery wrote:But without owning any, how can you come to a real conclusion? Not saying you'd necessarily change your mind, but surely you can only say for sure once you've bought one?

Not to pick on YOU personally, but I LOVE how stupid this particular argument from people really is; it generally sums up their ability to think for themselves. I've never owned an F15 Eagle; but I'm 100% sure the thing is a fething beast that would rip your arse out your wind pipe if you tried to take one on with yer plastic Vendetta toy .



Failcast remains the name of the game for me, not because of the large numbers of flaws in the models; given FW's general view on casting it was not really the "surprise" to me. In fact, just so that Mr. Mystery is content, I have bought a failcast model, the Lord Commissar ((I choose one that had no obvious flaws because I can see it in the blister which helps; two air bubbles under his boots, did not care bout this because you don't see it when the model is glued to its base of course)).


The over-riding fail in GW here is costs; of COURSE costs went up, yet product material costs went drastically lower. I expected there to be some poor runs, though they should have left one more batch to be the proto-type runs use those up in stores for test models etc.

But, then again if I can let GW off the hook for miscasts because I expected them to miscast the first couple runs while QC was put into order; I guess I should let them off the hook for increasing model costs. But its getting too rediculous it seems these days to do that. But then I remember, its not the costs of the model that goes up, its the costs of the "license" to play that model that goes up.

With how over protective of what players can and can't use to play the game ((50% GW parts conversion rules, rules against personal casting, terrain in stores needing to be 100% GW terrain)) how anal GW hq can get over model sculptors being close to theirs at ALL and sometimes its so far off the claims are ridiculous. One that comes to mind is recently one the smaller companies released a kit of soldiers that remind me of Helgast from Killzone, but on their site you already see lots of people going on that its a total rip from FW's Steel Legion when the only two real things they have in common is greatcoats and gas masks; and honestly if that's all you have to have in common for GW to start shooting at you then no one ever is going to be allowed to make cool mini's.


GW has gone the way of which most think will bolster sales but generally still them; not that I think GW is going to be suffering much anytime soon. With the introduction of game play like Apoc; people want large armies, which the increase of models, few people can afford this. Even normal games today being anywhere from 1500-2000pts your starting army is likely to cost you ~$500 new including a few paints, primer, and glue. And that often doesn't leave a lot of room for options in many cases, but of course that's depending on what you want in an army.


I guess at the end my dislike of failcast boils down to the same issue I have with the rest of their products and that is cost; though I guess that's my own damn fault for choosing armies with lots and lots of vehicles .

They shoulda called'm okaycast or decentcast.

I am loving finecast for one reason, models like Queek and the DE Hydra are so top heavy and tipsy when they where metal, but now with Finecast I dont have to worry about fixing my models after every game.

In all honesty I think as a technology, if it's properly mastered and quality control is at an appropriate level then yes I think it is a very good material to use.

However I believe GWs way of presenting this to it's customers and the quality it has provided has been abysmally bad, literally some of the worst PR and product release I have ever seen.

This is my major gripe with GW, they can produce a good product, but the ruin that with a profiteering pricing policy and the inability to communicate honestly and clearly with there customer base.

They have no respect for there customer base and as a company deserve no respect in return.

However I will quantify this with the fact that there front line staff are generally decent human beings trying to do a job in a difficult situation and do not deserve to be treated in a disrespectful manner.

Meh...

I cut way back on my Games Workshop spending with the price hikes prior to the introduction of Finecast. Since then, I've been focusing on finishing what I have (a novel concept!) and looking into other games. I've only purchased one Finecast model and was pretty ambivalent to it. I prefer the material to metal (lower mass and density means less problems with balance and pinning), and was impressed by the detail, but didn't like the fact that I needed to sand/fill more than on a metal model due to more pronounced seam lines and the presence of tiny air bubbles.

As it stands, although I've drastically cut back on my GW budget, if I needed 'one more' model to finish a unit or whatnot, I wouldn't hesitate to buy a Finecast model, provided I could inspect it through the blister before purchase. I'll reassess my stance on GW products the next time the release something I really want (new Sisters of Battle or Black Templars); I don't expect to be any happier about prices but if I'm impressed with the models and confident about the cast quality, GW will get some more cash out of me.

I was surprised to see that some of the new release single figures (like the DE sorceress, Necromancer, and the Tzeench champion) were plastic, not finecast. It made me wonder, if they are able to do that, why bother with Finecast at all?

In fact, where is the border between plastic and finecast single models?

i bought a zoanthropes failcost model and looks horrible. huge divot right in the middle of the head carapace and the chest is horribly miscast. To add to that, it costs $25 for 1 model. If i wasnt going to turn it into a doom i would really be pissed.

Ya, at GW, I heard some people complaining about Finecast.