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My wife and I purchased an Abaddon figure and think he's great. He cleaned up and was put together faster than metal and the details were extremely crisp. I painted a metal one a few years ago and this one is better in a lot of ways.

The material feels brittle so I'm worried about that. As long as GW is good about replacing miscasts and start to be more consistent in terms of delivering quality miniatures I'll be happy.

Granted, we purchased one in store and looked at it through the packing but so far I'm extremely pleased with it. The figure's details are more crisp than the metal I painted years ago.

But, hey, some people are going to hate GW for anything they do so why bother?

"Wish they never invented it! How could FC replace metal models?"

Metal models are superior as play pieces.

Resin is for big things and static modelers. Fine Cast is a triple lie:

(1) Revolutionary: (done before by privateer press)

(2) To combat metal price increases: (coupled with a price increase)

(3) Improved Quality: (has it's own set of documented flaws, QC packing issues, air bubbles, incomplete casts, irregular shapes, arguably about the same as previous metals)

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I like resin as a material over metal, especially for big models. But I do not like the price (the blister I looked at today, uruk hai berserkers, £14 for 4 dudes. Mantic charge the same for a regiment of 20. You can't tell me the quality is five times better between the two!). I am wary of paying such a high price when there is a risk of miscast at the moment (I expect it will improve with time) and I don't like the marketing speil associated with it.
So I guess I'm "meh". I can't see myself buying much finecast, if any. The only thing that has remotely tempted me is the LOTR Dragon.

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I think it has a lot of promise.

The Liche Priest in particular is a very nice model. Fingers, toes, rings, lots and lots of small details.

Plus, as a material it's favourable over metal. Easier to glue, less weight, and very resilient.

I own a fair amount of it, and so far, apart from the well documented dodgy casts in the earlier models, I'm impressed. I look forward to seeing it's potential realised in the next couple of years.

Honestly, I don't know. That would require me to buy one for an informed opinion, and I haven't bought anything GW since the TK magic cards were released.

havent had the need to buy any. That said i will probably buy some plauge bearers of nurgle to convert. If a FC version becomes available The resin will be easier on me for conversions sake, and any bubbles or minor misscasts wont bug me too much (nurgle right, duh). However i probably wont be buying anything that the potentail for a misscast reallly screwing it up. Ie Marines are not going to be bought unless i can inspect them first.

CaseyVa wrote:But, hey, some people are going to hate GW for anything they do so why bother?

Let me get this straight: you bought one model. One of the few models which actually hasn't seemed to suffer much from the switchover to Finecast at that, which you were able to inspect beforehand for defects, and it came out okay. Therefore, you've decided that not only are all Finecast models great, but that any complaints about them can't possibly be valid and must be more mindless GW hate with no reasoning behind it.

You even mention in your reply that GW need to improve quality control, acknowledging that you've probably seen the pictures that have been circulating and that maybe the material isn't utter perfection like what was advertised, and still you felt the need to take a jab at people who are less than satisfied with their purchases...why? Just to stir up trouble and bait people? What the hell is the point of what you posted?


...anyway, I finally got a chance to check out the replacement box of incubi I was sent by GW, and honestly, this box is no better, and might even be the worst of the three. Right upon opening the box I notice one of the trophy racks is loose from the sprue...not a good sign. Then I look over the bodies, and they all have the same problems as before: in all three boxes I've handled personally the spikes just look like crap, on the legs and armor pieces mostly, and there's a big hole in one of the arms in the same spot every time on the same model, below the hole where the arm glues in. The trophy rack bits in this box look okay though, even the one that was loose, and besides one bubble in a gem I didn't see any of the actual trophy details missing due to bubbles (which is an improvement over the first two boxes), but the little spikes toward the base of the part that face the incubus's body are messed up...it seems to me like any models that have little spikes sculpted on them like that are probably going to come out this way, so that means most boxes of incubi and the new DE wracks will have the same problems. So when you buy a box of these I guess you'll just have to either shave the miscast stumps off, or fill them in with GS and have little "buttons" on the armor/legs instead of spikes, which will just look goofy IMO. One of the heads is also missing half of a horn, and it isn't in the plastic box.

Now the sword sprue...in all three boxes the swords have come in their own little bag. When I open this bag I notice one of the bits isn't on the sprue, and I almost thought it was missing until I noticed something in the bottom corner of the bag. Not only did one of the parts come off the sprue, but the sword had snapped in half and the other half wasn't there. So right off the bat I have one unusable bit. Then I look at the sprue and one of the swords that's still attached is also broken at the thinnest part of the blade where it attaches to the hilt, and I really doubt a spot of glue is going to hold there, and even if it does I predict having to glue it back on every time I take them out of the case. The other three swords looked okay, from what I can tell...just have to give a couple of them thumbs and fix a couple of chipped points.

I have to look over everything I have, cherry pick the best bits, and try to cobble together a unit from that. I was hoping this box would have perfect casts, so that I could be reasonably sure I'd have a unit of at least 10 after all is said and done, and maybe even get a little reassurance that GW is fixing the problem. But no, Failcast continues to deliver, and now I'm wondering if GW ever will improve quality or if this is what we can expect to pay for from now on: $40 for a box of five guys that are all miscast and ugly.

To be fair, it's not like I would have really changed my mind about Finecast if the replacement box did turn out perfect, blowing $80 on ten dudes and getting the quality I got was enough to put me off for good, but the fact that it's just as bad really tells me that this new material is utter garbage. I hope for their sake they pull their heads out of their asses and get this gak fixed, because I am not buying any more Finecast models until then. Definitely nothing in a closed box like the incubi, anyway, and I'll only pick up blisters if I can be reasonably sure that I'm holding a perfect cast...so far I've failed to find a DE model that was worth of a $20 price tag.

I have not tried out the fine casts yet so i can not say if the detail is really better or not. What i can say is that i really liked metal models.

Personally I think it was a bad move to change to a weaker material when they have had the metal processing facilities.

But without owning any, how can you come to a real conclusion? Not saying you'd necessarily change your mind, but surely you can only say for sure once you've bought one?

Because we're not blind, and either have access to pictures of Failcost or have friends who own it and have looked over it.

Mr Mystery wrote:But without owning any, how can you come to a real conclusion?

All of the pictures of Finecast product posted here on Dakka, the video reviews you can see on YouTube, the fact that you can just look through the blisters at the local store and be guaranteed to find product that isn't fit for sale, threads just like this one where you can read other people's personal experiences?

Personally, I wouldn't be encouraging people to take the risk. If you have the money to burn and you don't really care then by all means, go buy a closed box of Finecast models and see what you get. But the last thing I want is someone to be disappointed, to feel like they wasted their money...and then remember my post when I told them "Go out and buy one, you can't really form an opinion and post here if you don't!", and blame me for that.

Steady on, I was referring to the material itself, rather than the actual castings.

Given what I hope is the teething problems seen with the casts thus far, I can quite understand apprehension/reservations about the quality of the actual models. But as an actual material to work with as a gamer/modeller, I'm of a mind that until you've actuallly built one and painted it up, it's hard to say either way.

Pro: Better for conversions and no need for pinning with monstrous creatures.

Con: Bigger flaws in the casting process, lack of "mass".


Worth a price increase? Nope.

I like the material but hate the outcome with the poor models.

I wanted a Crowe the other day but the only one they had had a bubble in the face not a big repair but thats not the point, I asked for a reduction in price and told that couldn't happen os that just put it back on the shelves.

I don't understand why it was rushed out without proper checks, what was the need?

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Sidstyler wrote: I'll only pick up blisters if I can be reasonably sure that I'm holding a perfect cast...

I would make them open the blind boxes before I would purchase them either. I would accept no less until they fix QC. Other than that, I have become comfortable with the material as long as it is free of miscasts.

I should throw this into the other thread where we're taking notes as well, but I just picked up a FC Yarrick over the weekend. The rightmost storm bolter barrel is malformed, but the thing is in perfect condition otherwise. I think I'm going to keep it.

Oh, ya, so....Don't like it?

I picked the "really like it" choice because it more or less encompasses my feelings (i'll take resin over metal 8 days a week) but that doesn't mean I don't recognize the present shortcomings. They need to get the QA/QC issues under control (though admittedly, I've had only a single problem out of about 15 Finecast miniatures). They also need to make them more available to their independent stockists.

Beyond those two issues, I'm ecstatic with Finecast.

Ya, i like Finecast, and they do have good details

Went for 'Meh', I'm just not interested.... My lil Bro bought some Wracks and brought them to my flat for the unboxing. Not good.

I won't go into it here as he has posted about it himself on this fine website before.

The fact that GW wanted to change from metal ( which I really liked btw) to a cheaper technique is sound business reasoning. The crap that they flung our way about it being 'super awesome sauce cool' was not......It's nicknamed 'Failcost' for a very good reason!
And none of it will be finding it's way into my hands anytime soon!

Oh, how where they bad?

I went for 'i think its ok'

i never went for their marketing hype about it being the greatest thing since sliced bread, because thats just marketing and thats something every company does when they release a new product or make a product change and its always best to take marketing with a grain of salt, or in my case i just completely ignore marketing and make my own decision, normally helps stop me raging out about sometihng.

I have the space marine libby and while there are a couple of faults with him they're all in places i plan on chopping off for a conversion anyway, i could have gotten a more perfect one since there were about 4 on the shelf but decided since someone else might actually want him to have a staff i'd take the slightly bubbled one. Everything else on him is perfectly ok, and looking through the stores other blisters on the shelf i didnt see many miscasts. Even though yes there has been alot of flawed minatures out there i'm quite liking the change, i never really liked metal minis.

All the ones I have, have flaws... lots of air bubbles.

Ah, so you don't like them right?

I said don't like it. I guess my opinion is moot because I'm not buying any GW stuff anymore, but I said I don't like it. I do like how it's lighter, but I see absolutely no difference in detail quality between Finecast and Metal. Supposedly GW switched to Finecast because it's cheaper, but then in their latest IR report they said Finecast is costing them more.

Then of course there are the quality issues. Granted, there have been miscast metals, and GW have supposedly been improving, and the majority of Finecast models have been fine... but when you're touting how revolutionary your product is, and charging such a premium price for them, well... I think you had damn well better get it right the first time.

I like the weight of the metals and the metals don't break as often

It's ok, at least I don't have to pin anymore. Yet.