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SabrX wrote:Good btrp jy2. Sorry to hear you lost. Solid game play on the Tau players part.

Dividing your forces wasn't a great idea. Tau have enough range and firepower to focus and neutralize any smaller force without having to worry much about movement. IMO, Terminators or your foot-slogging GK Strike squads with Psybolt Ammunition would have stand a better chance (just in like in our game). Tau works surprisingly well against small MSU style armies that don't pack a lot of AP3 or less. Also, Annihilation is one of the best missions for Tau in a mech vs mech match up.

Better luck next time!

It's all good. It appears that I didn't give Tau shooting enough "respect" this time. Next time, I may play a slightly more conservative game....or I may just trade shots with them to see who can do it better.

Valek wrote:I think the thing you missed here is early pressure.

One or two squads of jumpgreyknight, using their teleport and shooting the hell out of a unit, would focus his attention elsewhere, yes they would die but it would give your rhino's the crucial turn it needs to get to the other side and whoop their asses.

I would start considering a callidus assassin as well, she could have turned the battle here. Again diversion, so that your purifiers can advance.

I don't know how effective these "diversions" would be really. My vindicare was a "diversion", yet he didn't skip a beat in taking him down as well as the rest of my army.

The problem is his rapid-firing kroots and fire warriors initially don't have a target to shoot at anyways. You send in 1 unit of jump knights or the callidus, and all of a sudden, now they've got target practice. And since the callidus can no longer assault on the turn he comes in, he's just a sitting duck.

No, I believe it's either all or nothing. Either hit him with multiple, dangerous units all at once or not at all.

italiaplaya wrote:Great battle rep as always. We should get a game in sometime. I want to get a couple practice games in against a good Grey knight list. Not many out here haha.

I won't be able to game this week, but I believe I should be able to do so next week. I'll PM you.

gpfunk wrote:This is one of the few battle reports in which I was actually disappointed with your performance, and this would include your game against that fearsome nid army. I read the post game analysis and see that you noted all of your mistakes. Meaning the splitting of your forces and the odd sense of target prioritization. I would definitely say that if you hadn't deviated from your plan you could have done some serious hurt. Even with the first turn loss. I think the vindicare needs to go, he's just a bit of fat in a rather tight list. I always root for you man.

No disrespect to a competent Tau player. Hot dice will always turn a battle in your favor. Stat lines become irrelevant.

Good game to all, and Jy2 you still have the best battle reports on this site. Hands down.

Thanks. While I am disappointed in my performance as well, overall I'm satisfied with the results. Sometimes, losing is better than winning. You can learn a lot more from it and come out a better player. That's not to say I like to lose or will intentionally lose, but because of this humbling experience, I can say with confidence that it will help my development overall into a better player.

killykavekommando wrote:Well, even when I was a newbie tau player 4 years ago, I knew that nomatter who is using them, a rhino is useless against tau, except for the fact that once it's dead you can use it as cover. You should have used landraiders (if the GKs can take them) or a stormraven. Deepstriking or infiltrating on tau works excellently, as genestealers and the like have put the hurt on me several times using this tactic. overall, once I saw those rhinos, I knew who would win.

BTW, great job on the tau paintjobs, and I envy whoever this 'gus' is

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Ironically, the way I used to beat Tau back in my daemonhunter days was to charge straight at them with my grey knights in land raiders. 4 broadsides be damned, my smoke launchers would reduce pens to glances so damn their markerlights.

Doubt nowadays that tactic would work anymore against Tau. Stormravens with a librarian, maybe, but my land raider days are over, at least against a good army.

Gus Indo wrote:
The 'Gus' would be me. Thanks for the compliment! I also have the most problems with Genestealers and infiltrators as well, it's hard to deal with them as Tau when you need to move out to take objectives or handle the rest of the army. I really need to practice against nids.

Don't worry. I don't use too many genestealers in my army. Maybe just 1 unit of 13 stealers at 2K. What you're going to have to worry more are my biovores.

pretre wrote:Great report, jy2! Keep them coming.

Thanks. I will. I've got a bunch of rematches coming up in the future, as well as the 'Ard Boyz.

killykavekommando wrote:I have a thread on fighting nids, you might want to check it out, even though now it's practically dead, Gus. May have some useful info.

Great battle report, though. I want you two to do a rematch, just to see how the new result is after the feedback has been heard.

We will. You can bet on that. I'll even let him choose which GK build he wants to face - my Crowe-purifiers or my Mordrak-shunt-punch knights.

I'll be waiting for the rematch, and rooting for you to kick some fish face! Can't wait to see your next list.

Kudos to you, mr.jy2 player for not even trying to 'change' some facts around like some other players do when they lose a game to make it seem like a draw, or 'really close game' (Eh, Knox...)
But anyway, hurry up with the rematch! I need some more GK vs. Tau action!

What did your dreads do?

All 4 of them and I see some tau tanks left.

All those 16 autocanon S8 shots should have easily killed him.

Also that means your rhinos would have survived.

Marthike wrote:What did your dreads do?

All 4 of them and I see some tau tanks left.

All those 16 autocanon S8 shots should have easily killed him.

Also that means your rhinos would have survived.

While the dreads are excellent in taking out vehicles, where they are not as good at is taking out MEQ's and infantry in cover. This game, my opponent was just rolling well for his saves.

1st turn my dreads incapacitated 3 vehicles.

Turn 2 they fired on 1 unit of deathrains and his pathfinders. I believe I kill his drones and maybe 3-4 pathfinders in cover.

Turn 3, all 3 dreads (I believe 1 died to his broadsides) fire at his HQ + fireknives. I only kill his 2 drones. Suits wouldn't fail a 3+ save.

Turn 4, again I fire at his HQ and his pathfinders. Killed another drone but suits were invincible. Whittled his pathfinders down to just 1 guy, who still passes morale.

Turn 5 is garbage time. I concentrate on his HQ and kill 2 suits this time. They pass morale like a champ.

Ouch well, yeah you could always shoot at him since cover is same as his save. I guess you learnt that.

I understand how difficult it is to kill a suit unless you have an AP3 or lower weapon. Gus most likely anticipated that.

That was a pretty good battle report, although Tau won. My friend Joey plays Tau, and they always get killed in close combat.

killykavekommando wrote:I understand how difficult it is to kill a suit unless you have an AP3 or lower weapon. Gus most likely anticipated that.

Whether he had anticipated it or not, he brought his all-comer's list. No matter what I brought, I think he would've still used the same army. I think in a competitive Tau army, their crisis suits are one of the best units. Most good Tau players I've come up across usually bring a lot of suits, usually up to 9 or even 12! (My constant opponent SabrX regularly brings 12 fireknives in his 2K Tau army.)

BattleBrother wrote:That was a pretty good battle report, although Tau won. My friend Joey plays Tau, and they always get killed in close combat.

Very true. However, good Tau players won't even let their important units get assaulted if possible. This can be done by using a lot of sacrificial "screening" or "blocking" units. In this game, the only units I was able to assault were his kroots, who are the sacrificial screening units in this game (along with his transports).

Nice! This just gave my Tau playing brother some hope... which I plan to crush in the near future with my CSM (can't wait til the new crons come out and then he'll be in a world of hurt... hopefully)

Tau is actually quite effective at taking on CSM, unless you're running dual-lash. If your brother is proficient with Tau at all, your CSM is going to be in for a hard fight against them.

jy2 wrote:Tau is actually quite effective at taking on CSM, unless you're running dual-lash. If your brother is proficient with Tau at all, your CSM is going to be in for a hard fight against them.

I'll admit it's a tough fight, but he's never been able to handle my obliterators, maybe he's just rolling poorly, but they rip him to shreds. And my lord with dual lightning claws and jump pack plus squad of 5 raptors have consistently taken out every unit he's thrown at them.

After playing my new Tau list, I'm not too worried about double-lash or assault. Its very reassuring to have 80 Kroots, 6 Fire Warriors, 9 Fire Knifes, 9 Broadsides, and 2 Piranhas

Ouch. All that at 2K? That's a fearsome Tau list indeed.

I voted Tau and I am happy that I was right. I love it when the tau win games as they have been the underdogs for so long know and quite often get ridiculed.

They may be an underdog army, but they are also quite often an under-estimated army as well. That is why they can continue to compete with some of the better armies out there. If run by a competent general, they continue to surprise. I've seen/heard of quite a few tournaments were Tau consistently place high as an underdog army.

Yeah, my Mechanized Tau list placed me in 1st at my FLGS 'Ard Boyz. Most people underestimate the overall strength of Tau which is their long-range and speed. Plus JSJ annoys people to no end.

In the end its the dice rolls. You can have terrible placement, but if the dice are with you . . . well yeah. I think the best part of tau is their ability to help negate the chance of dice rolls through markerlights(Reduce Cover Saves, Inc BS).

Yay for thread necromancy?

AchillesFTW wrote:Yeah, my Mechanized Tau list placed me in 1st at my FLGS 'Ard Boyz. Most people underestimate the overall strength of Tau which is their long-range and speed. Plus JSJ annoys people to no end.

In the end its the dice rolls. You can have terrible placement, but if the dice are with you . . . well yeah. I think the best part of tau is their ability to help negate the chance of dice rolls through markerlights(Reduce Cover Saves, Inc BS).

Congratz on your 1st place finish at the prelims. I admit, I don't like JSJ much....but that is only because they usually do well against me. It's an awesome ability for the tau. I'm just glad their broadsides don't have it. Are you planning on taking your Tau to the Semi's (that is, if you're going)?

Markerlights is another one of those equipments that is really, really good. They are a force-multiplier item/unit that makes a huge difference in a Tau army. It's the "little" things like JSJ and markerlights, combined with the awesome firepower of Tau, that makes them still a formidable force even against the newer armies.

Those dice can make a HUGE difference. Nothing like a little chance to make games interesting and competitive.

SabrX wrote:Yay for thread necromancy?

It's not too bad - less than a month since the last post.

SabrX wrote:Yay for thread necromancy?

21 days is nowhere near any sort of thread necromancy.