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King Pariah wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:

Jimsolo wrote:And if self-destruction isn't one of the most common threads amongst human existence, I don't know what is.

But that's already Tzeentch's domain.

How the hell is it in Tzeentch's domain? Tzeentch represents Change (thus Tzeentch = Obama) and the volatility of it. Malal is more of MAD, everything dies and he's the one gets to got out in utter glee.

Uh, because it is. Read Realms of Chaos.

Circular logic is pretty cool, huh?

DarknessEternal wrote:

King Pariah wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:

Jimsolo wrote:And if self-destruction isn't one of the most common threads amongst human existence, I don't know what is.

But that's already Tzeentch's domain.

How the hell is it in Tzeentch's domain? Tzeentch represents Change (thus Tzeentch = Obama) and the volatility of it. Malal is more of MAD, everything dies and he's the one gets to got out in utter glee.

Uh, because it is. Read Realms of Chaos.

Not seeing it, at all. Tzeentch looks like he feeds off of species desire to aspire to change and forge one own destiny, not to kill everything.

What would be cool is if they brought back out all three of the Renegade Gods of Chaos: Malal, Zuvassin (the only one I haven't seen previously mentioned on this post, pretty much he likes to say feth your plans and laughs as your "perfect" plan blows up in your face, also has the ability to pretty much undo anything, as in he can remove the taint of chaos from an individual by removing all mutations), and Necoho

I thought that Malal essentially embodied the concept that Chaos was self-defeating?

Not sure what emotion he applied to though, self-destruction? Not really an emotion...

Cottonjaw wrote:

yevix wrote:the fact that humans are the biggest race that has a warp signature a lot of human emotion come in to existence..

Fairly certain Orks outnumber humans.

Also, the Tyranid population we have witnessed is just the tip of the iceberg. Their population is rumored to be monumental (and on their way), just not so within this galaxy.

And that's why none of the other Chaos entities can even think of messing with Gork or Mork. Orks, though a multitudinous race, are in a way a gestalt entity, similar to the Hivemind, in that, far from the human "no two are exactly alike", no two Orks are exactly different. They all worship Gork and Mork, in the same way, for the same reasons- so instead of a bunch of Orkish warp signatures, there's just the one/two that create Gork and Mork.


And Zuvassin? Is he basically Murphy? As in Murphy's Law?

Void__Dragon wrote:I thought that Malal essentially embodied the concept that Chaos was self-defeating?

Not sure what emotion he applied to though, self-destruction? Not really an emotion...

Nihilism. I think.

Ironsight wrote:

Void__Dragon wrote:I thought that Malal essentially embodied the concept that Chaos was self-defeating?

Not sure what emotion he applied to though, self-destruction? Not really an emotion...

Nihilism. I think.

Nihilism is a philosophy, not an emotion, Necoho would probably embrace nihilists considering that nihilists are atheists. Malal, I read somewhere is the "Hierarch of Anarchy and Terror" and his power grows whenever the Ruinous Powers do because his is somewhat parasitic.

King Pariah wrote:
Not seeing it, at all. Tzeentch looks like he feeds off of species desire to aspire to change and forge one own destiny, not to kill everything.

Tzeentch rewards his worshippers by turning them into mindless lumps. That's a little bit treacherous, correct?

Tzeentch is not the god of generic change, he's the god of pointless change, since that's all that matters to him.

Necoho would probably embrace nihilists considering that nihilists are atheists

Necoho does not embrace anyone or anything, as he does not believe that they exist. If those who claim to worship Necoho draw the attention of their deity, there is certainly no sign of it.

Tzeentch is not the god of generic change, he's the god of pointless change, since that's all that matters to him.

Tzeentch is the Lord of Change and the Architect of Fate. He knows the fate of everything in the galaxy. He doesn't care if a change is good, bad or indifferent, so long as people are becoming fed up with their current state of being and strive to change that state of being. Whether this is someone striving to get out of the trenches and into the command strata of the Imperial Guard, or Forge World Factorum, or a planet's populace fed up with their tyrannical governor and taking action to overthrow him, to the aspiring Chaos Champion who fails and falls to Chaos Spawn, or succeeds and rises to Daemon Prince.

Change is change is change, and that is all Tzeentch cares about... as it's all going according to plan.

Psienesis wrote:

Change is change is change, and that is all Tzeentch cares about... as it's all going according to plan.

Were you not aware he has no plan? That's his big secret (kept from his cultists, not from the omniscient reader), there is no plan, only change for the sake of change.

Psienesis wrote:

Necoho would probably embrace nihilists considering that nihilists are atheists

Necoho does not embrace anyone or anything, as he does not believe that they exist. If those who claim to worship Necoho draw the attention of their deity, there is certainly no sign of it.

Tzeentch is not the god of generic change, he's the god of pointless change, since that's all that matters to him.

Tzeentch is the Lord of Change and the Architect of Fate. He knows the fate of everything in the galaxy. He doesn't care if a change is good, bad or indifferent, so long as people are becoming fed up with their current state of being and strive to change that state of being. Whether this is someone striving to get out of the trenches and into the command strata of the Imperial Guard, or Forge World Factorum, or a planet's populace fed up with their tyrannical governor and taking action to overthrow him, to the aspiring Chaos Champion who fails and falls to Chaos Spawn, or succeeds and rises to Daemon Prince.

Change is change is change, and that is all Tzeentch cares about... as it's all going according to plan.

Could have sworn that I read somewhere that Necoho is the God of atheism and embraces those few in Warhammer who do not believe in the gods or that the gods aren't truly gods.

Now Zuvassin I remember rarely interacts with his followers because he loves to unravel plans so those that say they worship him are rarely, if ever graced by him or a herald of his, and even fewer are blessed by him.

You actually get to meet Necoho in Something Rotten in Kislev. Handle the encounter badly, and you end up Not Existing, roll new characters.

Because he is a Chaos God, his "portfolio" still has power, and people still call on it/worship it and him/whatever you want to call it, and draw (some) power from that circle of belief that Necoho embodies. The sentient/conscious aspect of this Chaos Power that is depicted as the "kindly old man in a grey robe", however, is totally ignorant of the actions of these worshipers, and wouldn't believe you if you told him.

It is, in a sense, similar to worshiping just "violence". This is Khorne's domain, and a power of Chaos, and you might get some Chaos gifts and party favors from such worship... but the Blood God himself may never notice your supplications at all.