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DarknessEternal wrote:Why? He serves no narrative purpose.

I disagree. He had a vital function, one which is reflected as much as if not more than the functions of the other four Chaos gods. He didn't have a plot about him, but that's because the developer who held the rights to him walked before they got a chance to implement some good Malal plots.

What was this vital function that isn't currently being handled?

Not sure about a vital function in the fluff. He was made early on, had a relatively basic description and his impact wasn't explained in any sort of detail. He doesn't have to serve an important purpose, but his fluff was interesting, and it's a shame he was cut.

Chaos doesn't need an extra god to make them fight amongst themselves. The canon rivalries between the Great Four are sufficient enough.

He didn't make them fight amongst themselves, he just embodied how chaos is indiscriminate to the point of even going against itself. His motto is more or less "love that which you hate. Hate that which you love," He loves chaos, thus he has no objections towards killing it as well. If anything, the other 4 are/were more or less united against him and fear his doctrine.

King Pariah wrote:He didn't make them fight amongst themselves, he just embodied how chaos is indiscriminate to the point of even going against itself. His motto is more or less "love that which you hate. Hate that which you love," He loves chaos, thus he has no objections towards killing it as well. If anything, the other 4 are/were more or less united against him and fear his doctrine.

Chaos powers already do this without something being the god of it.

Eh, he's just badass, I also selfishly want him back. Always liked the idea of MAD...

They didn't fear Malal. At all.

He, and his followers, were called "The Doomed Ones", because all other factions of Chaos could overcome their hatred for one another in order to attack followers of Malal.

Pretty hefty hatred to allow Slaanesh and Khorne to gang up on you...

Yes, they did. Malal preyed on Chaos itself, his champions sought out the Champions of other Gods to prove themselves, and he grew stronger as the others grew stronger.

IIRC the chaos gods get created by the most powerful emotions or something like that ie: Honour, lust, change, fear of death etc.


So wouldn't it make sense for their to be countless gods for everything? Varying in power from shadows to the big 4?

In blood gorgon they

There are many god-like entities. That Daemon Prince was obviously very powerful, so was treated as such, but the Big Four are the only true ones, along with Malal/Malice.
Malice is the embodiment of Chaos's chaotic and self destructive nature, he preys on the other Gods.

But a god is any deity that is worshiped. So that would make the prince a God by default.

It could be argued that the big 4 are the only true gods, but as to the real number, it would be impossible to be certain.

Toastedandy wrote:But a god is any deity that is worshiped. So that would make the prince a God by default.

It could be argued that the big 4 are the only true gods, but as to the real number, it would be impossible to be certain.

Buddha is considered a deity and in some places worshiped/venerated. That does not make Buddhism a religion.

I liked Malal and Kaleb Darke - bit of an Elric clone but cool - still have the Citadel Journals that he appeared in

Perhaps Lady Malice of the Dark Eldar is something to do with it - but I figured the heart she got was from a Daemon of Tzeentch?

Malal is not in 40k.

He also can't be fit back into it.

Chaos Gods are comprised of the behaviors of the mortal races. Chaos' own need to fight itself is not any of the mortal races. If you say various factions of mortal chaos fighting each other might count, nope, that's Khorne's business if it's fighting and Tzeentch's if it's intrigue.

Malal was a stupid, emo, hipster idea that they got rid of and no longer functions within the bounds of the setting.

DarknessEternal wrote:Malal is not in 40k.

He also can't be fit back into it.

Chaos Gods are comprised of the behaviors of the mortal races. Chaos' own need to fight itself is not any of the mortal races. If you say various factions of mortal chaos fighting each other might count, nope, that's Khorne's business if it's fighting and Tzeentch's if it's intrigue.

Malal was a stupid, emo, hipster idea that they got rid of and no longer functions within the bounds of the setting.

That may be true, but that hasn't stopped GW bringing in the Big 4 from the first game into the Second game. There is a Khorne, Nurgle, Tzeentch, and Slannesh in Warhammer and in 40k. Why not have a God originally created for Warhammer be remade into something for 40k? Have Malice come into 40k first, and then Warhammer, or maybe it was all just for n intresting read, or just so GW can look at these forums and laugh their asses off at our speculations during lunch break , either way, theyre not bringing back Malal because of copyrights, so why not create a whole new "Renegade" God with the same traits as Malal, but different so they don't get their pants sued off. Malice, Malal, whatever.

Kanluwen wrote:

Toastedandy wrote:But a god is any deity that is worshiped. So that would make the prince a God by default.

It could be argued that the big 4 are the only true gods, but as to the real number, it would be impossible to be certain.

Buddha is considered a deity and in some places worshiped/venerated. That does not make Buddhism a religion.

But Buddhism is a religion.


Darkness--Chaos spends more time fighting amongst itself. Mortal beings who serve Chaos do the same. And if self-destruction isn't one of the most common threads amongst human existence, I don't know what is. (And hell, the Orkish race should be able to provide enough of that by themselves to empower a god.) I understand you've got a chocolate in the peanut butter/peanut butter in the chocolate thing going on here with your Warhammer and your 40k, but I do believe the consensus is that more people would like Malal in 40k than would like him to be confined to Fantasy.

Jimsolo wrote:And if self-destruction isn't one of the most common threads amongst human existence, I don't know what is.

But that's already Tzeentch's domain.

Jimsolo wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Toastedandy wrote:But a god is any deity that is worshiped. So that would make the prince a God by default.

It could be argued that the big 4 are the only true gods, but as to the real number, it would be impossible to be certain.

Buddha is considered a deity and in some places worshiped/venerated. That does not make Buddhism a religion.

But Buddhism is a religion.

Buddhism is mislabeled as a religion. It is, in reality, a philosophy.

So, the Imperial Cult is just a philosophy then?

I mean, the Emperor isn't really a god, he's just a dude... powerful dude, to be sure, but not, you know, quite on the same level as the various "true gods" of the 40K universe, insofar as immortality and the creation of Daemons and Daemon Princes and planes of reality and all that sort of thing is concerned.

He's pretty much a God. Most of his mind now resides in the Warp, he holds the very fabric of reality together, he empowers his servants, and posed a real threat to the Chaos Gods.

So sayeth the Priesthood. It might not be true.

The only way to really find out would be to kill 'im. And pretty much only the Orks and Chaos would be willing to do that.

DarknessEternal wrote:

Jimsolo wrote:And if self-destruction isn't one of the most common threads amongst human existence, I don't know what is.

But that's already Tzeentch's domain.

How the hell is it in Tzeentch's domain? Tzeentch represents Change (thus Tzeentch = Obama) and the volatility of it. Malal is more of MAD, everything dies and he's the one gets to got out in utter glee.

DarknessEternal wrote:Malal was a stupid, emo, hipster idea that they got rid of and no longer functions within the bounds of the setting.

And yet infinitely more interesting than a fat simpleton like Khorne.

There are already more than the Big Four Chaos Gods. Like Necoho, god of atheism, undeniably the manliest concept a deity can embody.

Also, according to Lexicanum, it seems Malal essentially lives on as Malice, apparently.

Hey, calling Khorne fat insults Fat people everywhere. And Nurgle don't like it much either.

Don't forget Hashut, he'd kick the big 4's butts.

Anvildude wrote:Hey, calling Khorne fat insults Fat people everywhere. And Nurgle don't like it much either.

You know, you're right.

I'm sorry Father Nurgle, you disgusting, festering Santa Claus you.

Void__Dragon wrote:

There are already more than the Big Four Chaos Gods. Like Necoho, god of atheism, undeniably the manliest concept a deity can embody.

Also, according to Lexicanum, it seems Malal essentially lives on as Malice, apparently.

God of Atheism. Many followers?

I would like for malal to come back. He seems so much scarrier then the other four chaosgods. They are just scarry because of theire power.


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You do all realise that technically there are no gods in the warp its just the warp...it makes gods in images of the current most popular emotions (Its a big pool of popularity) the fact that humans are the biggest race that has a warp signature a lot of human emotion come in to existence..

all the gods of the warp (more then one) are one creature that is the warp..

think about it khorne is basically god of war but that doesn't stop his worshippers from having FUN killing, so when they have fun (pleasure from killing and warfare) they feed slaanesh its the same for slaanesh...some of his worshipers love killing so they will feed khorne whenever they kill, it works for all the gods...nurgle lives of death, khorne kill nurgle is happy, change is everywhere etc....

one thing I dont get is why we dont have daemons for the good side, I mean surely all imperial citizens love and worship emperor, surely that love would manifest itself in the warp and make some good daemons who fight with the power of emperors worshippers....

yevix wrote:the fact that humans are the biggest race that has a warp signature a lot of human emotion come in to existence..

Fairly certain Orks outnumber humans.

Also, the Tyranid population we have witnessed is just the tip of the iceberg. Their population is rumored to be monumental (and on their way), just not so within this galaxy.