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Brother Coa wrote:Right, and protecting innocent civilians against pretty much everything universe throws at them is not good and right indeed....

They incinerate those innocent civilians for heresy as often as they protect them. They are the militant arm of the Ordo Hereticus and the Ecclessiarchy, after all.

Brother Coa wrote:

The Sisters of Battle are, almost irrefutably, 'less evil' than the Night Lords, or at least what the Night Lords have become. However, they still aren't heroes - they're simply a lesser evil.

Right, and protecting innocent civilians against pretty much everything universe throws at them is not good and right indeed....

Butchering the innocent is part of the job description on the Sisters of Battle application form. Considering how much more often they do that than fight bad guys, it should come as no surprise.

In fact, the Night Haunter probably found it acceptable to die since he could see the future where the Imperium would reinstate his ideas of how to control the population, just with girls this time instead of his marines.

He was the leader of the Corax fan club... But couldn't do it himself.

The greatest feats of heroism are achieved through acts of self redemption and preservation... Such as the Blood Angels.

And the Night Lords don't seek either of these things - but rather vengeance, self indugance

I also feel there is aslo a very large amount of self hatred and wanting to be put out of their misery.

You would be extremely hard-pressed to paint the Sisters as wanton butchers and indiscriminate killers.

Do they kill civilians and civilian populations?
Yes.

Do these civilians and civilian populations "have it coming" because they have become tainted by Chaos or the Xeno or simply become far too lax in their faith and piety to be redeemed?
Yes.

The difference here is that the Night Lords will kill people, lots of people, in truly interesting, excruciating, and terribly horrifying ways... just because.

The Sisterhood, on the other hand, is methodical and efficient in their purges, on the rare occasion that they happen. They might excruciate a few arch-heretics, but, for the most part, it's mass pyres and firing squads. Quick, brutally efficient, relatively painless. In the worst cases, where the corruption and heresy is so wide-spread it infects the entire planet, beyond all hope of redemption, they may request the Ordo Hereticus condemn the planet to Exterminatus. And, unlike the victims of the Night Lords... the victims had it coming.

It might be difficult for us to grasp this concept in our 20th century ways of thinking... but what we view as "good" or "evil", "right" or "wrong" is not always in agreement with these same concepts in the 41st millennium.

Konrad started with noble intentions. But his lust for blood and diluted sense of nobility made him a murderer.

And the Night Lords don't seek either of these things - but rather vengeance, self indugance

I also feel there is aslo a very large amount of self hatred and wanting to be put out of their misery.

Omegus wrote:They incinerate those innocent civilians for heresy as often as they protect them.

No, they don't.

Stop making gak up.

Mr Morden wrote:I also feel there is aslo a very large amount of self hatred and wanting to be put out of their misery.

I wouldn't agree with this point, certainly not with the picture of them painted in the Soul Hunter/Blood Reaver series. Barring Talos the other members of the Legion seem to enjoy what they do. The prophet is really the exception that proves the rule.

The minotaurs have a better reputation than the Night Lords...and that isn't saying much.

That's because the Minotaurs kill people for the Emperor. The Night Lords do it because it's fun.

Little lord Fauntleroy wrote:That's because the Minotaurs kill people for the Emperor. The Night Lords do it because it's fun.

"people." = Chaos filth, and Xeno instigators.

Not exactly. The Minotaurs, alongside the Carcharodons and numerous other chapters, have no concept of the term 'collatoral damage'. If they habe to kill hundreds of thousands of humans to slay their enemies so be it. But they ultimately do it with noble intentions, which makes them do it to the VIII Legion, who are Sociopaths one and all.

I trust the methods of the Imperium. Though they are a bit brutal, Terra remains safe.

Yes. You've done a rather good job of protecting your corpse on his chair, I will admit.

*Skips back to the Eye giggling*

Little lord Fauntleroy wrote:Yes. You've done a rather good job of protecting your corpse on his chair, I will admit.

*Skips back to the Eye giggling*

Yes...go spoon with your wicked gods.

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:Right, and protecting innocent civilians against pretty much everything universe throws at them is not good and right indeed....

Innocent? Innocent of what?

Innocence proves nothing.

Innocent = the people that have done nothing wrong toward anyone, just living peacefully, doing their hobs only to be slaughtered by alien menace one day.
That are the innocent in 40k... ( in short - imperial citizens on various planets )


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Omegus wrote:
They incinerate those innocent civilians for heresy as often as they protect them. They are the militant arm of the Ordo Hereticus and the Ecclessiarchy, after all.

No, they only do so when demonic incursion happened on the planet and people get infected with daemon possession ( like zombie bite ). And in that case it is better for them to die by opur hands then to suffer as Chaos pawns...
And one must prove Heresy to punish the viced ( otherwise people would die more then usual. ( I can't accuse my parents of Heresy just because they won't buy me PS 3, right ? ).


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DarknessEternal wrote:
Butchering the innocent is part of the job description on the Sisters of Battle application form.

Again, no.
Find me text that say exactly that and I will believe it. Until then, no....


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Psienesis wrote:
It might be difficult for us to grasp this concept in our 20th century ways of thinking... but what we view as "good" or "evil", "right" or "wrong" is not always in agreement with these same concepts in the 41st millennium.

This is the smartest thing I have read since I joined this forum.
You sir should get a medal for this


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Magtherion_Soulsaver wrote:I trust the methods of the Imperium. Though they are a bit brutal, Terra remains safe.

Brutal?

I would exterminate all life on one planet to save hundreds more. It's the concept of noble sacrifice. Like letting one town being raised to the ground in war, but to save entire country ( Stalingrad ). And like the man said: we cannot understand their methods because:

-We live on 1 planet.
-We are raised in system were individual is above all else, that thing is different when you have untold billions of Humans per planet... ( in short, we are not working toward the grater good of Mankind but to our personal gains ).

Brother Coa wrote:I would exterminate all life on one planet to save hundreds more. It's the concept of noble sacrifice. Like letting one town being raised to the ground in war, but to save entire country ( Stalingrad ).

As the game itself says, "In an Imperium of a million worlds, what is the death of one world in the cause of Purity?"

Exterminatus is far, FAR rarer than the internet, in its infinite stupidity, makes it out to be.

Sure, but that is not to say that it doesn't happen.

Of course, you can also kill every man, woman and child on a planet the old fashioned way: Lots of guys with guns, and a really deep ditch.

Brother Coa wrote:

Omegus wrote:
They incinerate those innocent civilians for heresy as often as they protect them. They are the militant arm of the Ordo Hereticus and the Ecclessiarchy, after all.

No, they only do so when demonic incursion happened on the planet and people get infected with daemon possession ( like zombie bite ). And in that case it is better for them to die by opur hands then to suffer as Chaos pawns...
And one must prove Heresy to punish the viced ( otherwise people would die more then usual. ( I can't accuse my parents of Heresy just because they won't buy me PS 3, right ? ).


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DarknessEternal wrote:
Butchering the innocent is part of the job description on the Sisters of Battle application form.

Again, no.
Find me text that say exactly that and I will believe it. Until then, no....

"With a single word, a bombastic Confessor can preach the doom of an excommunicated world, and when such an undertaking is called for, it is the fanatically loyal Sisters of Battle who lead the way, slaying the Emperor's enemies with no compassion, heedless of the blasphemous protestations of innocence that assail their ears."-page 10, Witch Hunters

That is, the Sisters will flat-out murder you for living on the wrong planet if the crazy man tells them to.

Key words: "when such an undertaking is called for", IE, when it is justified.

The Sisters of Battle are allowed to exist by the High Lords of Terra for a few reasons-- the well known technicality wouldn't really be enough if they wanted to remove them. One of the main reasons given by Sebastian Thor was because they are to keep tabs on the Ecclesiarchy and help make sure that no one official gains too much power. When damning an entire planet's population to the pyre, they do it for a REASON, when not because they blindly follow orders.

Arturius wrote:
"With a single word, a bombastic Confessor can preach the doom of an excommunicated world, and when such an undertaking is called for, it is the fanatically loyal Sisters of Battle who lead the way, slaying the Emperor's enemies with no compassion, heedless of the blasphemous protestations of innocence that assail their ears."-page 10, Witch Hunters

That is, the Sisters will flat-out murder you for living on the wrong planet if the crazy man tells them to.

And like I said - you need to prove heresy to get someone killed. For a whole world to be purged it must be some really good reason - not even the Imperium would destroy an entire world population so easily.

And again, that's the "Emperor's enemies", were does it say "civilians" or "innicent people". That could be all cultist or Chaos worshipers and I agree to slaughter them to.

Arturius wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

Omegus wrote:
They incinerate those innocent civilians for heresy as often as they protect them. They are the militant arm of the Ordo Hereticus and the Ecclessiarchy, after all.

No, they only do so when demonic incursion happened on the planet and people get infected with daemon possession ( like zombie bite ). And in that case it is better for them to die by opur hands then to suffer as Chaos pawns...
And one must prove Heresy to punish the viced ( otherwise people would die more then usual. ( I can't accuse my parents of Heresy just because they won't buy me PS 3, right ? ).


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DarknessEternal wrote:
Butchering the innocent is part of the job description on the Sisters of Battle application form.

Again, no.
Find me text that say exactly that and I will believe it. Until then, no....

"With a single word, a bombastic Confessor can preach the doom of an excommunicated world, and when such an undertaking is called for, it is the fanatically loyal Sisters of Battle who lead the way, slaying the Emperor's enemies with no compassion, heedless of the blasphemous protestations of innocence that assail their ears."-page 10, Witch Hunters

That is, the Sisters will flat-out murder you for living on the wrong planet if the crazy man tells them to.

The Ordo Hereticus exists for exactly this reason. A "bombastic" Confessor can preach whatever he likes, but if he dares to preach a crusade against a still loyal world then some of the nastiest people in the Imperium of Man will be out for his head.

If a world has been declared Excommunicatus, then the world is already a Traitor World.

This bit...

preach the doom of an excommunicated world

... is very important. Vitally so.

The world is already fallen from the Light of the Emperor. Let the Purgation commence.

Psienesis wrote:And, unlike the victims of the Night Lords... the victims had it coming.

We all have it coming, kid.