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Dr_Chin wrote:Perfect example of this is how do you model a pink horror with bolt of change?

I use a pair of Blue Horrors for that.

I guess I could search ebay and get some but I think they are all lead lol

i agree, if i pain stakingly spend money on making my army wysiwig, and repainting those models when i have a perfectly good one, just so i am complying with the "strict" wysiwig rule, then enforce the rule!!! Id rather buy mroe models for a new army if you're just gna let it pass and get al confusing, im fine with pen and paper writing down what every single upgrade on the opponents army list aactually is...but please enforce wysiwig if you're going to advertise it!

Who cares? You don't need to be painted in Ard Boyz, I don't get why you have to be super strict WYSIWYG. The goal of Ard Boyz, other then ruining the hobby, is pure generalship. There is no reason to be super strict. Hell, you should be allowed to play with cardboard cut outs if you want.

The rules for 'ard boyz specifically state that WYSIWYG is required. That's why.

Oh, I get that. It's just silly that they do. You'd think a GW sponsored event would demand painting and sportsmanship.

Oh, Ard Boyz. I'll never play in you but I still wish you'd flush yourself down a toilet.

Thanks for your insight.

If its a rule for the tournament why isn't it enforced? When you go to a tournament of any kind you should never enter the tournament unprepared. WYSIWYG should be enforced no matter what. I take my time to model everything correctly and to make it clearly obvious what weapons my marines are holding. I expect the same kind of stuff from my opponents. If its a casual play its not a bother, since I proxy units all of the time to test out units and lists. But at 'Ard Boyz you should never show up without your army completely WYSIWYG.

Todd wrote:@Kirasu and his buddies...

Tournaments running smoothly isn't necessarily an indicator that everyone is fine with it. I'm betting no one wants to be the "douche" that speaks up. That's the message you're sending, that anyone waac enough to expect their opponent to use the right models is being ridiculous. Its rather convenient that anyone speaking up becomes (by default) the individual causing the event to not run smoothly.

Here is your first official complaint.

Yes. While I did not see or experience any of this at 'ard boys with Kirasu, my friend did. To the point, he does not want to go back to that store for tournaments. He said he was going to make a comment to him before he left, but I am not sure if he did or not. Again, I never saw any of the proxying going on, but I did hear of it from a few other players.

Personally, I was under the impression that the only 'ard fast rule for 'ard boyz was you had to be WYSISYG. To the point, I was nervous that I forgot my sergeant's melta-bombs in my car. I asked every opponent if it was an issue. I was more than willing to either go get them or just not play with them. None cared, so I never did go out and get them (in truth, I should have after the first game, but well, .... oops).

My only "gripe" from the tourny Kirasu ran was the letting one table extend their game for what felt like an extra hour. He made it clear that he wanted to let the games play out, but it did drag the event on. I can understand letting the final tables going late on round 3 to get a winner, but doing so in the 1st round has a domino effect. Just my two cents.

Ok, a couple quick questions about the WYSIWYG of my army:

1. I'm running Blood Angels in the Semis and I have a Stormraven that I modelled the Hurricane Bolters on the sides. I dont use them in my current army list and to make it WYSIWYG for prelims i made two plasticard boxes to cover them up. You can't see the hurricane bolters at all. Will this fly at the semis?

2. Also I have a bunch of Lascannon/TL Plasma Gun Razorbacks. I basically used the TL Lascannon turret (2 Lascannons next to each other) and magnetized a pair of Plasmas from various sets onto the sides of that turret. Two questions about this:
a. I assume I'll have to cover up ONE Of the Lascannons to make it look non-twinlinked, right? I'll probably use my plasticard box method to cover it up.
b. some of the Plasmas I used were from various sets IG Sentinal, Stormraven, devastor plasmas. I think technically they are Plasma Cannons but the rules for razorback has them as Plasma Guns. Will I get flagged for this or will it be fine as just a big Plasma gun?

Thanks.

ajefferism wrote:Ok, a couple quick questions about the WYSIWYG of my army:

1. I'm running Blood Angels in the Semis and I have a Stormraven that I modelled the Hurricane Bolters on the sides. I dont use them in my current army list and to make it WYSIWYG for prelims i made two plasticard boxes to cover them up. You can't see the hurricane bolters at all. Will this fly at the semis?

I don't see why not. If they're not visible, they're not there, right?

2. Also I have a bunch of Lascannon/TL Plasma Gun Razorbacks. I basically used the TL Lascannon turret (2 Lascannons next to each other) and magnetized a pair of Plasmas from various sets onto the sides of that turret. Two questions about this:
a. I assume I'll have to cover up ONE Of the Lascannons to make it look non-twinlinked, right? I'll probably use my plasticard box method to cover it up.
b. some of the Plasmas I used were from various sets IG Sentinal, Stormraven, devastor plasmas. I think technically they are Plasma Cannons but the rules for razorback has them as Plasma Guns. Will I get flagged for this or will it be fine as just a big Plasma gun?
Thanks.

a. I don't see this issue with this, but you will need to make one of the cannons 'go away'.
b. Well, I wouldn't care because I know the difference, but a plasma cannon is NOT a plasma gun, so you might run into issues there.

ajefferism wrote:Ok, a couple quick questions about the WYSIWYG of my army:

1. I'm running Blood Angels in the Semis and I have a Stormraven that I modelled the Hurricane Bolters on the sides. I dont use them in my current army list and to make it WYSIWYG for prelims i made two plasticard boxes to cover them up. You can't see the hurricane bolters at all. Will this fly at the semis?

This is a strange way to do it. I would have magnetized the HB so they were removable. That being said, if you have them completely covered, you're good.

2. Also I have a bunch of Lascannon/TL Plasma Gun Razorbacks. I basically used the TL Lascannon turret (2 Lascannons next to each other) and magnetized a pair of Plasmas from various sets onto the sides of that turret. Two questions about this:
a. I assume I'll have to cover up ONE Of the Lascannons to make it look non-twinlinked, right? I'll probably use my plasticard box method to cover it up.

Yes. Again, probably would be easier to magnetize the las than to cover them, but whatever.

b. some of the Plasmas I used were from various sets IG Sentinal, Stormraven, devastor plasmas. I think technically they are Plasma Cannons but the rules for razorback has them as Plasma Guns. Will I get flagged for this or will it be fine as just a big Plasma gun?

I haven't ever seen a problem using a variety of plasmas.

All that being said. Contact the TO for your location and check with them. What we say does not matter.

1) yes this should fly at semis. Most of the time it's less of a concern if you have something extra that happens to not get used, but still the way you are doing it is a good idea.

2) as far as the razorbacks, you should be fine because you are making an effort to make it reasonable (covering up the one barrel). It's obvious you are are doing a Lasplas razorback. plasmacannon vs plasma gun as long as you make it obvious that it's a Lasplas you are generally fine since they are from a bunch of different kits


EDIT: ninja'd...twice...and everything said above goes

ToI wrote:1) yes this should fly at semis. Most of the time it's less of a concern if you have something extra that happens to not get used, but still the way you are doing it is a good idea.

I disagree with this. Extra gear is just as bad as not enough gear.

pretre wrote:

ToI wrote:1) yes this should fly at semis. Most of the time it's less of a concern if you have something extra that happens to not get used, but still the way you are doing it is a good idea.

I disagree with this. Extra gear is just as bad as not enough gear.

I agree that it is not ideal, but sometimes passable. In this case covering the sponsons up is the correct way to go so they aren't visible as being present

ToI wrote:

pretre wrote:

ToI wrote:1) yes this should fly at semis. Most of the time it's less of a concern if you have something extra that happens to not get used, but still the way you are doing it is a good idea.

I disagree with this. Extra gear is just as bad as not enough gear.

I agree that it is not ideal, but sometimes passable. In this case covering the sponsons up is the correct way to go so they aren't visible as being present

Definitely not ideal, sometimes passable but not legal. Covering them removes that problem.

Mostly just a problem I had with your wording.

Thanks for all the responses... probably just gonna make little boxes to cover up the one lascannon on each Razorback, i have a bunch of extra plasticard. And I guess I'll hope people don't nitpick between Plasma Gun/Cannon and see that I put forth an effort towards... plasma-ness.

To be fair, counts-as will help you out there.

4 of my 7 Razorbacks are guys hanging out of a hatch (in the right place) with a Devastator Lascannon and a pintle mounted Plasmagun next to them. Never had a problem.