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jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:
Now read the rest of the line to me; about Deepstriking. They are one and the same beings you are not allowed to do the second half of the power you may not do the first half. It's really quite clear about this when it states models in CC may not Move

By the time you get to the DS part, you have cast the power, are removed from the table, and are no longer in combat, so you can use the DS rules since you are no longer in combat.

After you DS you count as having moved, but not before, so when in combat you remove yourself from the table, which is not a move, so GoI is legal to use.

I hope not to detract the thread here, but if a Librarian with GoI is embarked on a Rhino or similar, can GoI teleport the entire tank (with all models embarked within it)?

Raatcharch wrote:I hope not to detract the thread here, but if a Librarian with GoI is embarked on a Rhino or similar, can GoI teleport the entire tank (with all models embarked within it)?

No, since the transport is never a part of the librarians unit.

DeathReaper wrote:

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:
Now read the rest of the line to me; about Deepstriking. They are one and the same beings you are not allowed to do the second half of the power you may not do the first half. It's really quite clear about this when it states models in CC may not Move

By the time you get to the DS part, you have cast the power, are removed from the table, and are no longer in combat, so you can use the DS rules since you are no longer in combat.

After you DS you count as having moved, but not before, so when in combat you remove yourself from the table, which is not a move, so GoI is legal to use.

Show me how there are two parts in that line. It is one sentence with precise rules to follow, there is no break so they all happen at the same time.

Removal comes first, and immediately (This is what tells you to place them after you remove them) placed back using DS rules.

To have them removed and placed at the same time makes no sense.

you have to remove them, then place them using DS rules.

Anyways you still don't have permission to move; so frankly until you can rules to support that ...

When I read the line I see no breaks, no punctuation which generaly means all at once, no breaks.

If you had a power that removed you from the table, than a second one that deepstriked you back down I'd completely agree. However that's not the case.

When you even attempt to use that power, you're trying to move. Moving is disallowed when in CC

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:Ah the english language, how i love thee. Just like their rule of remove them and Deepstrike them (paraphrased roughly)

They're one and the same; and DS is movement so you'd be moving out of combat.

Simplicity

Sweet! I love this logic. So when my units die in close combat I can't move them off the table?! I mean, that would be movement, even though its not "movement".

Lobukia wrote:

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:Ah the english language, how i love thee. Just like their rule of remove them and Deepstrike them (paraphrased roughly)

They're one and the same; and DS is movement so you'd be moving out of combat.

Simplicity

Sweet! I love this logic. So when my units die in close combat I can't move them off the table?! I mean, that would be movement, even though its not "movement".

Hmm I could've sworn the rulebook expressly allowed this ...

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:

Lobukia wrote:

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:Ah the english language, how i love thee. Just like their rule of remove them and Deepstrike them (paraphrased roughly)

They're one and the same; and DS is movement so you'd be moving out of combat.

Simplicity

Sweet! I love this logic. So when my units die in close combat I can't move them off the table?! I mean, that would be movement, even though its not "movement".

Hmm I could've sworn the rulebook expressly allowed this ...

It does not matter at all. That would not occur in the Movement phase. (Re)Moving models locked in CC is allowed outside of the Movement phase.

kirsanth wrote:

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:

Lobukia wrote:

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:Ah the english language, how i love thee. Just like their rule of remove them and Deepstrike them (paraphrased roughly)

They're one and the same; and DS is movement so you'd be moving out of combat.

Simplicity

Sweet! I love this logic. So when my units die in close combat I can't move them off the table?! I mean, that would be movement, even though its not "movement".

Hmm I could've sworn the rulebook expressly allowed this ...

It does not matter at all. That would not occur in the Movement phase. (Re)Moving models locked in CC is allowed outside of the Movement phase.

Just to throw a wrench in your idea, you are allowed to (re)move models out of CC in the movement phase.

For example: A vehicle is parked next to the CC. It is rammed, explodes, and the explosion kills some of the models locked in CC. You then move the models out of CC and into the casualty pile.

I do agree that removing models due to casualties is fundamentally different than removing them to deep strike them elsewhere. But, I think any rules argument for either side is rather shaky and requires significant "interpretation" of the rules.

Just a random question that's similar...can a librarian who has gone to ground with a unit use this?

No,as a pinned unit cannto perform voluntary actions, and gtg == pinned