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 Vain wrote:
For every Bloodbowl player there is about ten 40k players, so it is understandable why our minis don't get sold in the numbers needed to take advantage of the economies of scale that 40k models can.

Hell our Southerm Shrikebowl minis often get sent over seas due to not always being able shill them all in Oz.

I don't know if it's 10 to 1 and I cannot say how big is the community for BB but the game itself is still quite popular. I do wonder if GW continued to support BB with some teams plastic boxed sets etc etc if the numbers would not grow very fast... So in short I dont think anyone really knows these numbers ( not even GW because the playerbase is now self sustained).
Hopefully if they release a new edition in the summer we will see if it sells as much as SH... I'm betting its going to be sold out very fast.

As for prices, there are so many good options that you can buy, convert, create your own team at very modest prices.

Man I just finished my own custom bloodbowl pitch, and and almost finished painting my Norse team... (One freakin werewolf). I'll put up pics shortly.

 NAVARRO wrote:

Hopefully if they release a new edition in the summer

There's been rumours of a new edition, which is keeping me from pulling the trigger on the current set. Interestingly, Cyanide's Khorne team has created a stir on other forums, with the possibility of GW sanctioning them. If they do, there's hopes of them releasing team minis too. It might be something they could couple to a new BB edition.

 NAVARRO wrote:
I don't know if it's 10 to 1 and I cannot say how big is the community for BB but the game itself is still quite popular. I do wonder if GW continued to support BB with some teams plastic boxed sets etc etc if the numbers would not grow very fast... So in short I dont think anyone really knows these numbers ( not even GW because the playerbase is now self sustained).
Hopefully if they release a new edition in the summer we will see if it sells as much as SH... I'm betting its going to be sold out very fast.

As for prices, there are so many good options that you can buy, convert, create your own team at very modest prices.

The game itself is awesome and still very popular for the same reasons that GW is not going to support it ever again (beyond a anniversary or special pack like Space Hulk).

Once a player has a couple of teams, lets say 5 to to make them reasonably dedicated, that is them set up for life. There is no ongoing meta for them to switch out blitzers for linemen coz the rule changed and now there are flying players. There aren't game changing rule additions that negate the benefits of one player over another (too much) so there isnt an ogoing income stream like 40k where you need to build more marines with rocket launchers, or with melta or more poweraxe weapons, or new units etc.

It is an awesome game you can play, it has its own balancing issues (some of which are intentional) but it isnt going to be more than a short term money makers for GW and they know it.

And as for the 10 to 1 ratio, that is a rough number I pulled purely on the anecdotal evidence I found in South Australia from my running and attendance of BB tourneys and my recent induction into the 40k world. I would assume it to be much higher but thought that might look like i was padding it.

I don't necessary disagree with some of your points but I take this chance to expose my perspective on the subject.

 Vain wrote:

The game itself is awesome and still very popular for the same reasons that GW is not going to support it ever again (beyond a anniversary or special pack like Space Hulk).

Hummm. I'm not GW so I don't know their reasoning apart from the fact they decided to not support specialist games years ago. If we are going to be picky about it, they to a very dormant extent still have things for those games for sale. Also I'm totally clueless if the reasoning behind GW not supporting bb is the same that make players love the game and the game is so popular.

Assuming the rest of your post are the reasons, lets talk about them.

 Vain wrote:


Once a player has a couple of teams, lets say 5 to to make them reasonably dedicated, that is them set up for life. There is no ongoing meta for them to switch out blitzers for linemen coz the rule changed and now there are flying players. There aren't game changing rule additions that negate the benefits of one player over another (too much) so there isnt an ogoing income stream like 40k where you need to build more marines with rocket launchers, or with melta or more poweraxe weapons, or new units etc.

I find hard to compare a game that is constantly updated with one that isn't for many years... even if games are quite different and one more prone to expansions than the other there are ways to bump interest.
How many races does warhammer universe has? can you imagine the impact of fleshing out those teams? Alliances, rules updates, star players, terrain hazards and traps etc etc...
5 teams and you are set for life? heheh you clearly don't know the nature of the wargammer/collector... just look what happens to skirmish games, the easier to collect the more we collect.

 Vain wrote:


It is an awesome game you can play, it has its own balancing issues (some of which are intentional) but it isnt going to be more than a short term money makers for GW and they know it.

That is looking at the game from just one perspective... How many of us started to get into WFB/40k by being introduced to SH or BB or other small "short therm" games first?
BB and other games are the perfect impulse buy and has the potential to lure huge numbers of people to the core games, how can you measure that? I guess no one can.
Also short therm assumes again that there are no updates, no new teams and stuff to buy and that gamers don't go crazy with new shiny updates.
Look at how well other companies are surfing the BB wave... Now create BB in 40k.
In short the game is popular because it rocks and with some smart expansions it could be quite bigger.

 Vain wrote:


And as for the 10 to 1 ratio, that is a rough number I pulled purely on the anecdotal evidence

I know, but I believe that BB has the potential to be something HUGE.

 NAVARRO wrote:
Valid points

I am going to go out on a limb and say you are probably not a bloodbowler yourself, and apologise if you are.



But unfortunately this isn't showing off the new models and awesome updates to the Amazons, so have your right of reply and we shall go back to lurking and waiting for more pretty pictures.

Let's talk just a little bit more and hope the mods don't catch our offtopic:




Now lets see more nice pics of news.

Here are pics of my friend's custom pitches

Version 1, the prototype (seam in middle not yet dealt with):




Version 2, the professional pitch (seam not visible even when folded):




A furious match ensues:




It's all fun and games until...

Two new, fresh looking teams by Black Scorpion, sold first on Salute, released later:
http://www.blackscorpionminiatures.com/

Vermin (11 models £24.00, Giant Vermin £8.00):






Elf team (11 models £22.00, Treeman £8.00):




Referee £3.50:

 NAVARRO wrote:

 Vain wrote:
For every Bloodbowl player there is about ten 40k players, so it is understandable why our minis don't get sold in the numbers needed to take advantage of the economies of scale that 40k models can.

Hell our Southerm Shrikebowl minis often get sent over seas due to not always being able shill them all in Oz.

I don't know if it's 10 to 1 and I cannot say how big is the community for BB but the game itself is still quite popular. I do wonder if GW continued to support BB with some teams plastic boxed sets etc etc if the numbers would not grow very fast... So in short I dont think anyone really knows these numbers ( not even GW because the playerbase is now self sustained).
Hopefully if they release a new edition in the summer we will see if it sells as much as SH... I'm betting its going to be sold out very fast.

As for prices, there are so many good options that you can buy, convert, create your own team at very modest prices.

We have a huge following where I am from, Our local store has a 48 player Bloodbowl league, and 60+ total bloodbowl players. The game is fantastic, probably GW best game really.

Silly question perhaps, from a non-bloodbowl player (so far, thinking about giving it a go): many 3rd party teams seem to be rather... expensive to get into the game. If one were to get one of those vermin teams and one big vermin, is that a decent starting team (to play with for a while, without further required purchases) or would that still require all kinds of extras?

Sometimes when I see these not-Bloodbowl teams I wish the companies would also transition the designs into not-Warhammer units...

 Bolognesus wrote:
Silly question perhaps, from a non-bloodbowl player (so far, thinking about giving it a go): many 3rd party teams seem to be rather... expensive to get into the game. If one were to get one of those vermin teams and one big vermin, is that a decent starting team (to play with for a while, without further required purchases) or would that still require all kinds of extras?

For each team, there are different builds and different tactical opinions. Better check some BB tactica for your favorite army. In case of Skaven, you might want an extra assassin.
Keep in mind, that you usually just need one team. So if a team costs as much as a riptide, it is still cheaper to play Bloodbowl.

I LOVE BLOODBOWL!!!

RiTides -- That pro Bloodbowl pitch look AWESOME!!! is there a thread on how old boy made that?

I have been playing since its first inception..when it was an endless blocking match.. the game has gotten better and better in each of its rules updates.

The potential for expansions is quite litererally endless.

I agree with some of the previous posts..I have 4 teams , my son has 2. We have a full coaching staff for all of them and we have made refs and spectators as well. We made all but our Wood Elf team from GW fantasy and 40k box sets.
We would buy new teams and coaching staff, new "tiles" for different teams stadiums. I could even see having a crew of wizards and apprenticees for the Cabal vision coverage. Dungeon Bowl would be SWEET with plastic "locking" dungeon tiles...heck id even settle for thick cardboard tiles that lock together.
In short, our family and ALL my 40k friends play and LOVE Bloodbowl, and we HOPE the rumors of new teams and maybe another Astrogranite pitch would be GREAT!!

...gah, there's never justvan easy answer, is there? Oh well, maybe sme day then. thanks!

Those rats and elves are badass. I love the treeman.

Bolognesus wrote:Silly question perhaps, from a non-bloodbowl player (so far, thinking about giving it a go): many 3rd party teams seem to be rather... expensive to get into the game. If one were to get one of those vermin teams and one big vermin, is that a decent starting team (to play with for a while, without further required purchases) or would that still require all kinds of extras?

The most players you'll ever need are 16 (due to max roster size), but 12 would be plenty to get started. With that set of 11 it looks like you've got 1 Thrower (the rat with the ball), 4 Gutter Runners (the rats bent over & running), 2 Blitzers (helmeted rats on either side of the Thrower), and 4 Linemen. Perfect place to start a Skaven team IMO...but in the long run, you'll probably want a few extra bodies (probably Linemen) to shore up the numbers. While you can only field 11 players at a time, extra players are very useful to have since your fragile ratties will invariably end up KO'd, injured, killed, or otherwise in need of replacement. A friend of mine typically runs his Skaven teams at 12-13 players, sometimes including a Rat Ogre (Giant Vermin), sometimes not. That seems to work pretty well for him even at high team values. So, those 11 Vermin + 1 Giant Vermin should be a great place to start, plenty to get some one-off games in. But if you're looking to play in a league or tournament, you might want a little more (1-2 Linerats, maybe a Star Player).

Ah okay, lovely. That sounds encouraging: I'll order some for on the to paint pile soon

 Kroothawk wrote:
Two new, fresh looking teams by Black Scorpion, sold first on Salute, released later:
http://www.blackscorpionminiatures.com/

Vermin (11 models £24.00, Giant Vermin £8.00):

Elf team (11 models £22.00, Treeman £8.00):

Those prices are exceedingly reasonable. The thing that's put me off buying aftermarket BB teams has been the $80-100 price tag attached to so many of them. These ones look to be excellent sculpts as well!

I wasn't really sure what thread to put this in, but there is a new Minotaur being sculpted for the Volmarian team which is in the very first pic of the OP!

Part of a Kickstarter, of course

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/rolljordan3/rolljordan-volmarian-chaos-dwarf-team-fantasy-foot

I like those Rolljordan minis a lot. They've got a nice cartoony style without getting too silly with it. I'll definitely have to pick up those Volmarians at some point.

In other news...Willy Miniatures has an Indiegogo campaign for their new Vampire team (already at almost twice its funding goal):



Look like these should be on par with Willy's Chaos team in terms of sculpt quality, which is saying a lot. Unlike Chaos, however, Vampires are a team that really needed some better options. Thralls are a dime a dozen, but finding decent BB-ready Vampire models has long been a challenge.

The campaign I linked to above ends tomorrow, and the minotaur is mostly done. Here is the latest WIP:

That's a fantastic suitcase Blood Bowl pitch, are there any more pictures of this, or any more information on its construction?
Thanks

These Mats look great

where can I get one from

Iv had a look around but I cant find a wood elf team.
The black scorpion miniatures set looks more like high elves but before I try them on I thought id see if anyone here knows of a place that did a team that looks more like wood elfs.

I had thought of doing a team using Dryads but I am not good at sculpting them

The Italian company Greebo do a pretty nice Wood Elf-esque team

(I guess NSFW)
http://www.greebo-games.com/shop/silvania-team-16/

I think you can also buy a smaller team without the 'treeman'

I bought their Necro team not that long ago, bloody brilliant sculpt quality and a great time to buy with the rate of exchange with the Euro at the moment if you are buying with another currency.