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I justed added another 50.00 to the cause. I support you, I already bought a levithan from you already. You have a customer that believes in your work.

Grot 6 wrote:Where do I get in on this action?

There's a kickstarter link in the blogpost linked in the first post.

The prototypes look fantastic! And you've already rocketed past the initial kicktstarter goal... will have to think this over and think about getting in on it although I am really wanting to wait for your 15mm Crusader to put my funds towards!

Imo they would be improved x100 if the upper legs were either in baggy combat pants or skirted. At the moment it looks like they are wearing jodpurs.
EDIT: They are technically impressive though.

Here is my perception of them:

When?

How Much?

RiTides wrote: I am really wanting to wait for your 15mm Crusader to put my funds towards!

Im looking forward to that as well. However, I might be very tempted by a squad of troops...after I get a few of the other things in on my "must have" gaming list.

Perkustin wrote:Imo they would be improved x100 if the upper legs were either in baggy combat pants or skirted. At the moment it looks like they are wearing jodpurs.
EDIT: They are technically impressive though.

Here is my perception of them:

Here is something I just sent to all the project backers.

This is the suggested change to the miniature to bring it into "correct" scaling.

Larger legs, thinner shoulders and re-scaled to bring the figure to 32mm scale. The project backers have the final say but I'm interested in what you think...

The proposed model does look better.

Medium of Death wrote:When?

How Much?

Now....
Here.... http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dreamforge-games/dreamforge-games-project-eisenkern-32mm-miniatures
$5.00 per fig

That really does make a great difference. Still not a fan of the thigh armour, but those proportions are bang on.

That is an awesome figure and infinitely better than most GW sculpts by far. I wish these could be produced in plastic, but I realize that plastic injection model production can be cost-prohibitive.

I have a soft-spot for 'Space Germans'... it's amazing what a little Stahlhelm-gas mask-like action can do for a figure. These would make brilliant Steel Legion figure for the 40k universe as mentioned elsewhere.

Please, don't make them fight 'Space Zombies'... that is so overdone it gives me gas...

BrookM wrote:The proposed model does look better.

Agreed...much, much better...and the original was pretty damned good to start with.

Yup, likewise, the tweaking is a surprisingly huge improvement for such a little change.

Like the changes, still don't like the Tie-Fighter-pilot face though.

Like the changes, much improved.

Kroothawk wrote:Like the changes, still don't like the Tie-Fighter-pilot face though.

Agreed.

A more generic gasmask look would be preferred though that is easiy fixable via Pig Iron, etc.

BrookM wrote:The proposed model does look better.

This, and the commentary about the TIE pilot look.

I get that you're trying to make a 'futuristic' gas mask, but something about it just looks a little...'off'. I can't quite put my finger on it right now, but looking at it all taken together it doesn't really seem to be a single design aesthetic (if that makes sense).

The proposed model definitely looks better. However, the original still looks excellent, and I would still buy that one. I will say, the stormtrooper face mask looks much less obvious from any angle other than head-on. With the right paint job, it will probably be a non-issue.

The proposed change is a dramatic improvement IMO.

I'd like a box of these guys, how many come in a box?

Can I just send you some paypal for a set, or do I have to get in on all of that other stuff?

I'd like about 20 or 30, give or take. 3 or 4 squads, for GP. if they are a good price.

I like the improved version methinks, the legs did look a bit thin, perhaps they could still use a bit more something as suggested, but the proposed I think is a good change either way.

Grot 6 wrote:I'd like a box of these guys, how many come in a box?

Can I just send you some paypal for a set, or do I have to get in on all of that other stuff?

I'd like about 20 or 30, give or take. 3 or 4 squads, for GP. if they are a good price.

For now, this is the only way to purchase them. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dreamforge-games/dreamforge-games-project-eisenkern-32mm-miniatures

I will offer them later on my website, but for now its Kickstarter.

Fabulous work. As soon as Amazon decides to cooperate you'll have another backer (assuming Amazon fixes whatever is keeping me from flinging shiny gold rocks at you in time).

Keep up the good work and I might have to get a collection going.

Love the changes towards more realistic scaling. Make that change and I'm in for a box (to convert for Infinity...)

They look lovely, and the rescaling does wonders. The fact that their metal kind of puts me off, but I've bookmarked the kickstarter website and am still seriously considering putting in some money.

Will the Kriegmarines also be rescaled?

Fafnir wrote:They look lovely, and the rescaling does wonders. The fact that their metal kind of puts me off, but I've bookmarked the kickstarter website and am still seriously considering putting in some money.

Will the Kriegmarines also be rescaled?

Indeed... The project backers have given their consent to make the changes.

THESE. THESE WILL BE MY STORMTROOPERS. I was looking for some badasses for my Elysian Stormtroopers and then I happened on this thread.

Consider me hooked. I love them.

@NoseGoblin: These still aren't looking right.

The arm proportions are all wrong.

Stand up straight, with your arms straight.

Look at where your hands are, they're on your hips, or very slightly below them.

Now, look at these models. If they were in the same pose, their arms would be nearly at their knees at worst, or halfway between the knee and crotch at best!


"Gorilla arms" syndrome strikes again. Fix it!

It's the #1 thing that wargames factory 3d sculptors constantly get wrong on every single kit they make, and it's the #1 thing you've got wrong here.

Ideally, the shoulders need to be higher up too.

scarletsquig wrote:@NoseGoblin: These still aren't looking right.

The arm proportions are all wrong.

Stand up straight, with your arms straight.

Look at where your hands are, they're on your hips, or very slightly below them.

Now, look at these models. If they were in the same pose, their arms would be nearly at their knees at worst, or halfway between the leg and crotch at best!


"Gorilla arms" syndrome strikes again. Fix it!

It's the #1 thing that wargames factory 3d sculptors constantly get wrong on every single kit they make, and it's the #1 thing you've got wrong here.

Ideally, the shoulders need to be higher up too.

Dammit, that's exactly it!

Can't believe I didn't realize it until you said it. Something looked off, that's definitely it. The resized ones are a big improvement, but I'm sure you can do better.

scarletsquig wrote:@NoseGoblin: These still aren't looking right.

The arm proportions are all wrong.

Stand up straight, with your arms straight.

Look at where your hands are, they're on your hips, or very slightly below them.

Now, look at these models. If they were in the same pose, their arms would be nearly at their knees at worst, or halfway between the knee and crotch at best!

Not to say that the models couldn't be improved since all things can be, but I do think your anatomy example is a bit flawed.

When I stand up ram-rod straight with my hands at my side, my hip (where the ball-and-socket joint with the leg is, in case we define hip differently) lines up with about midway down my forearm meaning I have half my forearm plus my entire hand below my hip. My fingertips reach about halfway from my leg to my knee and even with a clenched fist it reaches about a third of the way down my thigh. Given that nobody I work with comments about my having freakishly long limbs nor does anyone hurl bananas at "Monkey Boy" (and believe me, they would), I'm going to say that it's within normal human variance for arms to be as long as mine.

Adjusting for the perspective since the legs are actually in a fairly open stance in the pictures, it seems to me that the arms are in the ballpark enough to say it's not wholly out of proportion while still providing an interesting model for pose and part interchangeability. Both of us can have our own opinions on whether or not that's acceptable and/or detracts from the model at all, I just wished to offer a counterpoint.