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Another angle may help? Elbows are at the top of the hips "crest of the Ilium" where they should be.... Could the shoulders be thinner? yes but that causes collisions with the chest plate when the arms are posed. Not prefect but hardly gorilla arms

These are really nice prototypes, really liking the correct scale of them!

They look cool, my only question is about the comparison pic next to a Space Marine silhouette. Are they going to be the same size as a Space Marine?

Thare1774 wrote:They look cool, my only question is about the comparison pic next to a Space Marine silhouette. Are they going to be the same size as a Space Marine?

The SM silhouette is a pretty good approximation of the SM actual mass and height, so what you see is a a good comparison of how the figs will appear next to a SM fig.

Those are very nice--best alternative ST I've seen so far--nice job.

So are they super human? Just couldn't see them as a valid ST replacement if they are the same height as a Space Marine. I like truescale models but it would be weird to play these models as stormtroopers among regular sized guardsmen. I love the model itself though, just not for a 40k guard army.

Thare1774 wrote:So are they super human? Just couldn't see them as a valid ST replacement if they are the same height as a Space Marine. I like truescale models but it would be weird to play these models as stormtroopers among regular sized guardsmen. I love the model itself though, just not for a 40k guard army.

You do realize unaltered space marine models are the almost the same height as guardsmen

Why do you think so many people make heroic true scaled space marines?

I'm sure he realizes that - it would be nice, if unrealistic due to potential loss of sales, to see someone release a 'proper 28MM' futuristic human soldier - so I wouldn't 'have' to True Scale my Marines!

Alpharius wrote:I'm sure he realizes that - it would be nice, if unrealistic due to potential loss of sales, to see someone release a 'proper 28MM' futuristic human soldier - so I wouldn't 'have' to True Scale my Marines!

They are so close on scale to a Cadian that I doubt there would be an issue, they have the same mass as a Cadian due to GW over scaling and they are only half a head taller. They can sit right next to them on the gaming table and look quite at home IMO.

I had a test print done at "true" 28mm and it looked small and emaciated next to most minis including GW SM and Cadians... True 32 really is a sweet spot. you match the mass of the "Heroic" 28mm and only get a slight increase in height. Looking down onto the game table they look right at home.

Part of the problem is that very few mini makers are actually the scale they list... take a SM scout. to the eyes it 28mm, so its 28mm scale, right? Not exactly, take the figure out of its pose and into a fully upright position and its actually a 30mm scale with 33mm plus scale proportions for limb thickness. My troopers are 32mm when fully erect. Posed they are 30 to 30.5 mm to the eyes.... They are 2mm taller than a SM scout but have just slightly thinner limbs than a SM scout. Don't get me started on GW weapon sizes... these are 34 to 50mm scale.

I’d personally be interested in buying a small squad if these guys were 28mm but not if they’re 32mm as they look out of place any army that contains 32mm power armoured miniatures.

True I will admit that the models themselves probably look better as in 32mm scale but not in proportion to the rest of my models. I can see these being good replacements for GW Cadians though.

I think the scaling as you have it now is perfect, nice tweaking!!

You do realize unaltered space marine models are the almost the same height as guardsmen

Why do you think so many people make heroic true scaled space marines?

You can definitely tell the size difference between space marines and guardsmen. It doesn't make this model bad, just IMO they would look strange amongst other guardsmen.

Maybe a comparison pic would help solve this?

NoseGoblin wrote:

Alpharius wrote:I'm sure he realizes that - it would be nice, if unrealistic due to potential loss of sales, to see someone release a 'proper 28MM' futuristic human soldier - so I wouldn't 'have' to True Scale my Marines!

They are so close on scale to a Cadian that I doubt there would be an issue, they have the same mass as a Cadian due to GW over scaling and they are only half a head taller. They can sit right next to them on the gaming table and look quite at home IMO.

I had a test print done at "true" 28mm and it looked small and emaciated next to most minis including GW SM and Cadians... True 32 really is a sweet spot. you match the mass of the "Heroic" 28mm and only get a slight increase in height. Looking down onto the game table they look right at home.

Part of the problem is that very few mini makers are actually the scale they list... take a SM scout. to the eyes it 28mm, so its 28mm scale, right? Not exactly, take the figure out of its pose and into a fully upright position and its actually a 30mm scale with 33mm plus scale proportions for limb thickness. My troopers are 32mm when fully erect. Posed they are 30 to 30.5 mm to the eyes.... They are 2mm taller than a SM scout but have just slightly thinner limbs than a SM scout. Don't get me started on GW weapon sizes... these are 34 to 50mm scale.

Oh, I agree!

GW scale is out of whack.

FW Elysians and Krieg are OK, I think.

GW standards are... not well proportioned.

Still, it is the world we live in if we want to play 40K!

Anyway... your sculpts are quite nice and I'm certainly thinking about picking up a squad or two!

Just to update that I heard back from Mark about the timetable for the 15mm Crusader, and he said he's not sure but his best guess is mid-December, but he's hoping for sooner.

Here's hoping! Mid-December would be fine with me, as long as I can preorder / order some before Christmas and get them by/before early spring (need a few in time to paint up for Adepticon in mid-April).

Dammit, I'm still saving up for the big GK robot thing you make! "Investment", "Preorder" who cares what you call it? The prototypes look great. I grew up with metal minis, so I'm down with metal.

The thing with metal is: it's a pain to convert. Therefore, the 'original' better look damn good right out of the box (positioning/coolness wise...I understand there may be some flash removal and filing to do)

I really like the helmets. The weapons look very good. Proportionally they look great. My one concern is the thickness of the biceps compared to the thighs. It could just be an optical illusion of the photography, but it looks like the biceps should either be a tad smaller or the thighs a tad thicker.

I think I'm sold. These may turn out to be my new IG Stormtroopers.

We are in the home stretch with the Kickstarter project...

http://dreamforge-games.blogspot.com/2011/11/only-five-days-left-on-kickstarter.html

Thank you everyone who made this possible!

That's beautiful! Any ideas on how much these guys will sell for? I'm in need of some stormtroopers for my drop Guard army!

Alpharius wrote:I'm sure he realizes that - it would be nice, if unrealistic due to potential loss of sales, to see someone release a 'proper 28MM' futuristic human soldier - so I wouldn't 'have' to True Scale my Marines!

Mantic's corporation in the spring.

Hate to perform threadcromancy but when will these be available for purchase?

It seems you got the preorders outa while ago and i have found nothing about normal sales on your forums, your website, dakka or your blog.

Having seen the prototype... these look a lot better in the flesh, really nice work and some of the best sculpts on the market currently.

Think this range will succeed due to the quality of the sculpts being on a par with forge world. Good job.

To echo ChocolateGork (in a way) I'd been asking about the 15mm Crusader Leviathans, and NoseGoblin said he thought he'd have them up for preorder by mid-December. I've been trying to wait until the 15th to ask about them, but since this thread is back up, anyway... is this still on track?

Sorry we're always asking for more but that just means we love your stuff!!

Please TAKE IT! TAKE IT!

Your sculpts are epic and I want

I heard back from NoseGoblin about the 15mm Crusaders- he said he's now expecting them in mid-January.

Looking forward to it

First look at the new minis!
http://dreamforge-games.blogspot.com/2012/02/first-look-at-new-minis.html

That looks better than the model of it...

RiTides wrote:

That looks better than the model of it...

Yep these were the re-worked minis that adjusted the proportions.... I Like-em

Are they plastic or metal? I might pick up a squad or 2 for my Guard.

Multi part metal. Or At least from what I remember.

That looks pretty sweet btw!

I like the final model a lot more than the 3d render. You have successfully done what WGF failed to do with the greatcoat troopers!

Now if only these guys had greatcoats

ph34r wrote:Now if only these guys had greatcoats

Hah, and here I was thinking I was the only one wishing this.

On that note, how do they compare to Guardsmen? Are they more Space-Marine-bulky? I notice you put it on a 30mm Lipped base.