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MrMerlin wrote:Ok ill start working on it now.

Btw. if you ever want to start Orks I'd be glad to help you out!!

Thank you!

so here it is:

hq

-ccs
w. atrop., 2 meltas 100

elites

-marbo 65

troops

-Vets with 3 meltas, pp on sarge, pioneers 160

-see above 160

-Vets with harker, 3 meltas

Fast

-3 Valk with these 30p missiles 390

-2 hellhounds, one multimelta 275

-3 sentinels, 2 autoc., one ml 125

Heavy

-Manticore 160

the 2 vets without harker jump into a valk, as does the ccs

Harker's vet squad is going to be singled out fast, seeing as it has no ride. Also, i feel like you should do less squadroning. Mayhaps you drop the the sentinals, and move one of the valks into there slot. Then, if you could scrounge up some more points by getting rid of the doctrines(they arn't all that useful anyhow) you could get a 2nd manticore. Right now, it's vunerable to outflankers and such, because it's the only thing backfield. But hey, i'm no gaurd player, so take my advice with a grain of salt. After all, i'm just a guy on the internet.

@loota boy

who isnt? But anyway, your advice makes sense, ill keep it in mind

thanks for posting

Some guy on the internet


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MrMerlin wrote:so here it is:

hq

-ccs
w. atrop., 2 meltas 100

Good, maybe an extra melta. (three is the magical number because: one will fail, on will miss and one will hit. )

elites

-marbo 65

Marbo is awesome, but he's a bit hit and miss. (He's basicly, i kill something and then i die too. The problem is when he misses, you've given away a killpoint.)

troops

-Vets with 3 meltas, pp on sarge, pioneers 160

-see above 160

-Vets with harker, 3 meltas

Plasmapistol is basicly a waste of point. For the same points you can have a plasma gun, that can shoot twice at 12 inch range.
Pioneers....Don't know what it is, i'm guessing you have a german Codex? But basicly they're all useless, except the one that gives you lots of MB and a demo charge.

Harker...the consensus is 'not competitve'. I have no idea about him seeing as i never used him.


Fast

-3 Valk with these 30p missiles 390

Vendetta's is the better choice. (you have a manticore for anti horde.)

-2 hellhounds, one multimelta 275

Drop one, get an extra vet squad. to ride your extra Vendetta.

-3 sentinels, 2 autoc., one ml 125

Drop, get an extra vendetta. and arrange them in 2x2

Heavy

-Manticore 160

Manticore is awesome!

Not to bad for a first list. But it's still a bit too much of everything.
And the biggest point: Not enough Troops. Troops win games. If you look in the rule book. There are 3 gametypes: Two off them are capture objectives.
Only troops can capture objectives. So they're important. Add the fact that they are weak guardsmen, but powerfull for their cost. you wiould like to invest a bit more in them.

So i'm suggesting this ( a more streamlined list.) :

Im finally getting closer to the finished list! thanks!

But about the list you wrote; what happens if the manticore breaks? ill have to shoot gants with lacannons.... Shouldnt i get at least one valk to lay down pieplates?
But then again, every veteran has his lasgun (or should i give them pumpguns?)

I think ill keep marbo, and for ome reason i also want to keep the sentinels; though its not that important.

And we dont have to fix it up until its supa-awsum btw; im not going to attend a tournament with them, and as said before i like themed lists. But your list actually fits very nicely, Ill jut try to do some small modifications. I think im going to end up with something between yours and mine.

Oh and have I told you already that your help is very much appreciated?

Well, it's your game, you decide how you want to play it.
(I'm a bit more of a competitve gamer. )

And for the gaunts it would this:

Ignore, kill all his other stuff.
Then laugh because his gaunts will never reach your turboboosting Vendetta's.

But if you're worried, you could get a valkyrie or exchange the Stormtroopers for a second manticore.

and happy to be of service.

I really think you need more anti-horde.. Green tide will sweep you away, because you don't have really any templates besides the manticore. And proper spacing can mess even that up. I think that mayhaps you should go half & half with vendettas and valks. Or take a vet/stormtrooper squad with flamers instead of meltas/plasmas.

hq

-ccs
w. atrop., 3 meltas 100

elites

-marbo 65

troops

-Vets with 2 meltas, pioneers 140

-see above 140

-Vets with 3 flamers, 105


Fast


-1 vendetta, 1Valk with these 30p missiles 390

-1 Vendetta, 1 Valk with 30p missiles

Heavy

-Manticore 160


Now Im at 1500 again; and the one they call pioneers in the german dex is the one that gives you meltabombs and a democharge. Quoting that for fun: -Pioniere: Der ganze Trupp ist mit Melterbomben ausgerüsted, ein (1) Veteran trägt zusätzlich zu seiner anderen Ausrüstung noch eine Sprengladung.....30 Punkte

I know this list isnt the most competive one, but its adapted to the armys around here (my lovely Orks, my brothers eldar, my mates deamons, some jerks SPESS-MUHREEENS and some other guys loyal IG)

If there is some major flaw in it, let me know, but i think it should work. If i make it too good that'd actually be a bad thing, as it would regularly beat the crap out of the other local armys, wich are all more or less fluff inspired as well. So Id win more often, but nobody would want to play against me after a short time...

And special thanks to sillyboy for leading me in the right direction

MrMerlin wrote:Now Im at 1500 again; and the one they call pioneers in the german dex is the one that gives you meltabombs and a democharge. Quoting that for fun: -Pioniere: Der ganze Trupp ist mit Melterbomben ausgerüsted, ein (1) Veteran trägt zusätzlich zu seiner anderen Ausrüstung noch eine Sprengladung.....30 Punkte

I speak dutch, and somehow i understood what it said.

I hope you have fun, and slay some little plastic soldiers for me.

Yeah, i will slay many little plastic soldiers . That language thing is funny; I can also understand dutch/ norwegian/ swedish newspapers...

Ill upload some wip pics once i get the stuff, and ill send you a link to it.