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**pretre**

Lord Palmerston wrote:No i really just think that the new Codex was poor conceptually.

Again, how long have you had your copy?

**Agent_Tremolo**

I'm considering starting a Necron army (I'll just be giving them a different paintjob. Stale gray or bleached-bone white, dunno yet. For once, I'm dissappointed with the GW studio... No more dark green, pleez!).

I think it's a matter of liking or not the Necrons' previous incarnation. For me, who thought they were dull both in fluff and in the tabletop, this is a welcome update.

**whigwam**

I liked the old fluff and never considered it boring. An ancient civilization's Faustian bargain with a pantheon of imperfect Gods. Soulless, immortal armies slumbering beneath the surface of unsuspecting worlds. An incomprehensible and unrelenting threat to all life in the galaxy. As cliche or overdone as all of that might have been, those ideas excited me a lot. I gather it was dull for some, but not me. I bought old-Crons on release.

There is little smoothing over the differences between the old and new-Crons. It is not a logical progression from the last codex--it is a rewrite. That said, I don't really mind! I've read a lot of the leaked fluff, and while I still may prefer the now defunct backstory, Necrons still sound cool as all hell. Ancient dynasties rising to reclaim their rightful place in the galaxy? Enslaving Gods, collecting tithe from subjugated lesser races? Forgotten Lords pursuing their own millennia-old agendas? It builds off some ideas and runs right over others...it is undeniably different, but it's still badass. I'll take it.

All this to say that, yes it's a change. And not an insignificant one, especially not to people who actually played as Necrons. If the new fluff doesn't work for some players, you can't really begrudge them that or glibly dismiss their complaints. GW may have had good reason to rewrite the fluff, but that doesn't mean Necron players had no good reason to get attached to it.

**Void__Dragon**

I think the new fluff (Based on the rumor thread) is garbage, and not a logical progression of the old fluff or its thematic elements. Rather than fixing the problems that the old Necron codex admittedly had, it threw much of what the codex did establish in the trash and started over, alienating those who liked the original army's thematic elements without expanding on it to make them more accessible. It is a retcon, pure and simple.

I now look forward to reading all the posts coming after mine mocking me for liking the "boring fluff".

That said, I disagree with much (Maybe all, I admittedly didn't read the entire wall of text) of what the OP says. I think the Necrons should of gotten new units to play (Even though I frankly think the new models overall have taken the Egyptian aesthetic and made it really ugly, garish, and gaudy), rather than just re-release the old ones. Necrons as an army had a sort of theme of technological perfection, yes, but they are not infallible, and shouldn't have an incredibly small choice of options and units to reflect that, rather having a variety of options to handle any situation potentially, at least, from a thematic perspective. I don't mind the lack of green rods. The new Immortals look spectacular, the Deathmarks are also great. Some units being bulkier is not unusual, Immortals for instance were also supposed to be bigger and thicker than Warriors, more combat-oriented units being more stocky is not a bad thing.

Can't say anything for sure until I read the codex, though.

**pretre**

Void__Dragon wrote:Can't say anything for sure until I read the codex.

You should have started and stopped here.

**Void__Dragon**

pretre wrote:You should have started and stopped here.

Why? Considering I already said this:

"I think the new fluff (Based on the rumor thread)"

Which clearly indicates that I am aware the final result may be overall different from the information the rumors propagate.

Try to read and comprehend the entire post next time.

Oh, and if I want to post my opinion on the rumors regarding the Necron 5e codex, believe me, I'm going to.

**pretre**

Void__Dragon wrote:
pretre wrote:You should have started and stopped here.

Why? Considering I already said this:

"I think the new fluff (Based on the rumor thread)"

Which clearly indicates that I am aware the final result may be overall different from the information the rumors propagate.

So you're railing against the injustices of the rumor thread?

You go!

Try to read and comprehend the entire post next time.

Oh, I got it, but thanks!

**Void__Dragon**

pretre wrote:So you're railing against the injustices of the rumor thread? You go!

Not really.

You seem to be under the impression that it is foolish or stupid to post my opinion on the Necron fluff rumors, when the codex is not out. Yet for some reason you seem not to mock those who make posts indicating they like the new fluff. Which I find interesting, considering clearly they don't know if it's good until they see the codex, right?

Oh, and I made a typo in my first post that I just noticed and corrected, that may of influenced your humorous attempt at mocking me. Specifically, I actually disagree with what the OP progagates.

If you are not being facetious towards me right now, and I have misinterpreted your post, I apologise.

Oh, I got it, but thanks!

You are very welcome.

**bombboy1252**

No i really just think that the new Codex was poor conceptually.

How long have you had the codex?

and its no coincidence that such an abomination was written by Matt Ward.

Huh? Last time I checked Matt Ward made good codexs with good rules...and the codex isn't out yet, so how is it an "abomination"

**pretre**

Void__Dragon wrote:You seem to be under the impression that it is foolish or stupid to post my opinion on the Necron fluff rumors, when the codex is not out.

That is exactly my point.

Yet for some reason you seem not to mock those who make posts indicating they like the new fluff. Which I find interesting, considering clearly they don't know if it's good until they see the codex, right?

Because we don't have a problem of overwhelming positivity around here, now do we? Whereas everything is the worst slap in the face to ever walk the planet everytime a new book is rumored to be on the horizon. So hence, I rail against folks who make uninformed negative declarations.

**Ktulhut**

I sort of agree with OP, but on the other hand, I don't.

To clarify, I like almost all the new models. The rules seem pretty sweet. But when I get my hands on the codex, the amount of nerd rage might just kill me if they balls up the retcon regarding mars and the void dragon. That "conspiracy" was a massive part of my early hobby and I will be very unhappy with them if it is ignored or handled in a stupid fashion.

**Void__Dragon**

pretre wrote:That is exactly my point.

Then don't post on discussion boards if you dislike discussion or the sharing of opinions.

Because we don't have a problem of overwhelming positivity around here, now do we? Whereas everything is the worst slap in the face to ever walk the planet everytime a new book is rumored to be on the horizon. So hence, I rail against folks who make uninformed negative declarations.

A lot of people seem to like the rumors. Only I try to avoid jumping up the asses of people who like them, despite having a different opinion regarding them.

The rumors are elaborately detailed and it's improbable that they could be completely false. It is very possible to form an opinion on them, as I have, and perfectly acceptable to post an opinion on them, whether you like them or dislike them.

That's not to say "whiners" don't exist, especially when the complaint is nonsensical or based on falsehoods. Saying that, I'd even agree that this thread probably didn't need to be created, since there is already a rumor thread where opinions on the rumors can be posted (And I have posted there). I just figured that since the thread was here I'd post my thoughts on the matter, and if you were displeased with me propagating continued discussion in a thread that perhaps need not exist, then I could admittedly understand and your own position. that's fair enough.

But if you have a problem with me posting my opinion on the rumors in general, "tough gak" is all that needs to be said to you.

**LordOfTheSloths**

Lord Palmerston wrote:The latest Necron releases are a massive disappointment considering the time Necron players have waited for releases and balanced rules for the 6th
edition. All GW needed to do was make pariahs, immortals, tomb spyders and flayed ones into a plastic kit along with a customisable necron lord kit. A plastic Heavy destroyer would have been appreciated. Perhaps even a Heavy support vehicle or possibly another monstrous creature (the tomb spyder being one). More C'tan with more characterful stats would have been great also.
Instead GW gives us praetorians which could not be more uncharacteristic of the Necrons. The new gauss weaponry such as the immortal gauss blaster is now a bar painted black with green lines instead of the famous green rod for which necrons are so well known. This offsets the new gauss stuff with the necron warrior, monolith and destroyer kits. The new warscythes further deviated from the venerated green rod and look utterly unoriginal next to pwer weapons. The bodies of the new Necrons look to me to be too bulky which gives them a cartoon look and not the sinister skeletal form i so love. The new Vehicles are too complex in design to look as though they are flawless technological ancients, a look the simple monolith pulls off. To sum up, it seems Mat Ward (author of the new Codex) saw Necrons as a representation of Tomb Kings (another badly done job) in the 41st millenium when in fact Necrons well preceded Tomb Kings. Therefore he ignores the groundwork Kelly and others made in the 3rd edition Codex. It seems Necrons are moving from their Tomb Worlds into full scale assault on the galaxy and this is reflected in their now larger and more diverse Army list. Necrons, for me, were about technological perfection and perfection isn't diverse. The whole point was that they were awakening from their Tombs, not yet at full strength, yet even so their technology still won over. The technology they could employ in a full assault on the galaxy wasn't the point, because left to the imagination it seems more wondrous then now that its been levelled with the other Armies in thje latest Codex. Please tell me i'm wrong.

Not wrong at all. Spot on. And Matt Ward is a tool of Satan.

**Void__Dragon**

Come on man... I was just defending people who post negative opinions, and you post that?

**Ktulhut**

Welcome to the online riot that is a GW codex release.

**LordOfTheSloths**

Sasori wrote:So you want Phase out Back?

If that's the case, we're done here. That is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard.

You must not have heard very many ridiculous things.

I never had a problem with phase-out. It was there when I started my Necron army. I knew how it worked. I thought it was a characterful rule. And I rarely got phased out in games.

GW got rid of phase out IMO primarily so that it could sell more non-"Necron" (per the rule) minis that otherwise would rarely show up in Necron army lists, not because the rule was so bad. Hence all the new vehicles in the new codex.

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starship trooper wrote:
bombboy1252 wrote:
In all seriousness though...GW gets way to much flak for giving the community what they wanted....a new Necron Codex...and at the same time you have all the Necron players complaining about fluff rape...like it hasn't ever happened to any other army before....

Yeah in all seriousness Games Workshop has done Gray Knights, New Dark Eldar, SoB, Blood Angles and now Necrons! What more could we all ask for? As a player who played 2nd edition then left the game then came back a year ago with 5th. I have to say Games Workshop is doing a great job.

Thats just my 2 cents.

Don't even go there with Sisters of Battle. Or as I think of them now, Squats of Battle, because that's obviously the route GW has in mind for them. What GW did to the Bolter Barbies is

. I didn't even mention them among my armies because I've completely given up on them. I'll just use their minis when I play Necromunda.

**whigwam**

pretre wrote:
Void__Dragon wrote:You seem to be under the impression that it is foolish or stupid to post my opinion on the Necron fluff rumors, when the codex is not out.

That is exactly my point.

Yet for some reason you seem not to mock those who make posts indicating they like the new fluff. Which I find interesting, considering clearly they don't know if it's good until they see the codex, right?

Because we don't have a problem of overwhelming positivity around here, now do we? Whereas everything is the worst slap in the face to ever walk the planet everytime a new book is rumored to be on the horizon. So hence, I rail against folks who make uninformed negative declarations.

pretre, have you been following the leaks at all for the past month? The rumors, especially as they pertain to fluff, have been very consistent for a very long time. We're at the point where many people have the codex in their hands and they have corroborated every major rumor mentioned in this thread. On top of that, scans of the final codex have leaked. Given all of this, it is pretty easy to believe the "rumors" at this point. I'm having a particularly easy time of it myself, because I too currently own the codex. It is sitting on my lap. You may have issues trusting others, but please try and take my word for it: it's all true.

**bombboy1252**

starship trooper wrote:
bombboy1252 wrote:
In all seriousness though...GW gets way to much flak for giving the community what they wanted....a new Necron Codex...and at the same time you have all the Necron players complaining about fluff rape...like it hasn't ever happened to any other army before....

Yeah in all seriousness Games Workshop has done Gray Knights, New Dark Eldar, SoB, Blood Angles and now Necrons! What more could we all ask for? As a player who played 2nd edition then left the game then came back a year ago with 5th. I have to say Games Workshop is doing a great job.

Thats just my 2 cents.

I agree completely

**Lord Palmerston**

Gentlemen i think by the overall reception of the new necron codex, however vague that might be, it is fair to say that all the rumours upon which i based my opinions were factual.

Furthermore i was in no way wrong for expressing my beleive that many others would find the Codex disappointing.

Just as others loved GKs i loved Necrons, and Matt Ward butchered them both.

Good Day!

**pretre**

@Lord P: Still haven't read it, have you?

Just like all the Draigo ragers before you, you rage against Ward without having actually read what you're angry about.

**CthuluIsSpy**

Lord Palmerston wrote:Gentlemen i think by the overall reception of the new necron codex, however vague that might be, it is fair to say that all the rumours upon which i based my opinions were factual.

Furthermore i was in no way wrong for expressing my beleive that many others would find the Codex disappointing.

Just as others loved GKs i loved Necrons, and Matt Ward butchered them both.

Good Day!

That's weird, to me it appears that the overall reception is favorable. I could be mistaken. I mean I have only been a necron player for the last seven ing years.

**DAaddict**

Alright got the codex and started looking it over. HTH is still going to be a problem but they are not going to be a problem with accepting fire.

For example- 2 Necron warrior squads with 3 barges in range and res orbs in the unit. 15 4 T troops with 4+ saves. 60 marines fire (probably their entire army) 40 hits,20 wound, 10 necrons die. 5 stand up and then the barges recover 6 necrons. Congrats! You have killed nothing.

Now this is simplistic but illustrates how tough a nut the necrons are going to be to crack.

**CthuluIsSpy**

DAaddict wrote:Alright got the codex and started looking it over. HTH is still going to be a problem but they are not going to be a problem.

For example- 2 Necron warrior squads with 3 barges in range and res orbs in the unit. 15 4 T troops with 4+ saves. 60 marines fire (probably their entire army) 40 hits,20 wound, 10 necrons die. 5 stand up and then the barges recover 6 necrons. Congrats! You have killed nothing.

Now this is simplistic but illustrates how tough a nut the necrons are going to be to crack.

Yeah I just played a Cron vs Cron match.
It took until turn 4 til someone got a kill point

**iproxtaco**

If you don't like it fine, the only problem with I have with the arguments of people who don't like the new fluff is that they seem to think everything about the Necrons has been re-written and they aren't anything like what they were. This is wrong. The only real change is that they no longer serve the C'tan. It's a pretty major one at that, but to be perfectly honest it is a natural change that incorporates itself quite well into the current background. In my mind, the Outsider is now the "one who got away", the Dragon is one they weren't strong enough to defeat, the Nightbringer is that got its revenge, and the Deceiver's fate was JUST AS PLANNED!

**asimo77**

From what I've read the old souless, silent, killing automatons are perfectly viable in the new fluff. The new fluff is flexible enough to allow old style Necrons and newer ones that have a society and culture. I admit people who were into the Necrons for the C'tan are left out a bit, but you can always have a Dynasty that still worships the C'tan or a shard of one, or even be decieved by a Deciever shard.

So far the only change which I personally find terrible is the loss of inertialess drives for FTL. Now we have to use the webway? I also need to see how far the whole "we fear the Eldar" thing goes. I can understand Necrons being wary of Eldar after having killed veriatable star-gods in a war, those kinda shenanigans wears you out! Enough even for silly space elves to get an edge over you. I hope it just amounts to an arch nemesis type of relationship.

Also I find it interesting that Necrons are one of the only Xenos races who apparently value honour so much, aside from Tau maybe. I guess they are trying to shift them into that Lawful Evil category, sure they want to exterminate you all but they wont shoot you in the back!

The only thing I dread in the new book is the inevitable SM fanboyism that will show up. It seems unavoidable even in non SM codexes. I still can't get over the Slamanders taking on all of Commoragh...