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The Chaos Gods are infinitely more powerful, but, unless this bit of fluff has changed between Codices, the C'Tan had a way of sealing the Warp off from an area, meaning they could trap the Chaos Gods even if they couldn't stop them entirely.

Farseer Petriel wrote:Chaos Gods, because C'Tan are now slaves of Necrons.

Chaos Gods win. Flawless victory.

The Chaos Gods cannot defeat the C'tan; however, the Necrons could cut off the warp from the materium, thus defeating the Chaos Gods.

But the fact that the C'tan can't lose, doesnt mean that they will win.

Brother Coa wrote:C'Tan was destroyed them imprisoned by Necrons ( their shards at least ).

Chaos Gods still pumpin after 38.000+ years...

C'Tan are possibly trillions of years old.

Chaos Gods any day

CpatTom wrote:The Chaos Gods cannot defeat the C'tan; however, the Necrons could cut off the warp from the materium, thus defeating the Chaos Gods.

But the fact that the C'tan can't lose, doesnt mean that they will win.

That wouldn't defeat the Chaos Gods, and no they can't.

iproxtaco wrote:That wouldn't defeat the Chaos Gods, and no they can't.

What was the point of those pylon things that the Crons were trying to make around the (iirc) Eye of Terror?

And wouldn't severing the ties to the materium halt the flow of emotion into the warp, returning the warp to its original state of peaceful immaterium?

CpatTom wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:That wouldn't defeat the Chaos Gods, and no they can't.

What was the point of those pylon things that the Crons were trying to make around the (iirc) Eye of Terror?

And wouldn't severing the ties to the materium halt the flow of emotion into the warp, returning the warp to its original state of peaceful immaterium?

To close the Eye of Terror, it does not permanently cut off the two realms, the connection is much deeper than that. What happens in one reflects eternally in the other, there is no separating the two.

The pylons were meant to cripple the forces of chaos in the material universe. This would allow the C'tan to operate less interference from the Chaos Powers

iproxtaco wrote:

CpatTom wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:That wouldn't defeat the Chaos Gods, and no they can't.

What was the point of those pylon things that the Crons were trying to make around the (iirc) Eye of Terror?

And wouldn't severing the ties to the materium halt the flow of emotion into the warp, returning the warp to its original state of peaceful immaterium?

To close the Eye of Terror, it does not permanently cut off the two realms, the connection is much deeper than that. What happens in one reflects eternally in the other, there is no separating the two.

I think someone is forgetting that the pylons on Casual were going to completely severe the connection between the immaterium and the materium. Which means NO CONNECTION BETWEEN REAL SPACE AND THE WARP. And thus chaos loses it's nom noming of emotions, thus starves to death equivalent.

Why would it starve to death? If it was cut off from realspace, there'd be nowhere for it to lose its energy to. And the cut off would probably have negative effects on the materium as well.

King Pariah wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:

CpatTom wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:That wouldn't defeat the Chaos Gods, and no they can't.

What was the point of those pylon things that the Crons were trying to make around the (iirc) Eye of Terror?

And wouldn't severing the ties to the materium halt the flow of emotion into the warp, returning the warp to its original state of peaceful immaterium?

To close the Eye of Terror, it does not permanently cut off the two realms, the connection is much deeper than that. What happens in one reflects eternally in the other, there is no separating the two.

I think someone is forgetting that the pylons on Casual were going to completely severe the connection between the immaterium and the materium. Which means NO CONNECTION BETWEEN REAL SPACE AND THE WARP. And thus chaos loses it's nom noming of emotions, thus starves to death equivalent.

No, the connection cannot be cut. As long as a mortal has a soul, they have a connection to the warp. And the pylons would only seal the Eye of Terror, not the whole galaxy. It just makes the Eldar worried because a large part of their webway is still linked to worlds in the Eye. If the Eye was closed, entire sections of the webway would collapse, and they don't have the knowledge to build new webway tunnels.

Seal just the eye of terror is silly since those pylons were being constructed nigh 60 million years BEFORE the eye of terror came into existence.

Sorry, made a mistake with the fluff. But I think that those pylons are no longer valid with the new Necron Codex, since the Necrons 'broke' the C'tan, and they break into the webway to travel FTL.

Durza wrote:Why would it starve to death? If it was cut off from realspace, there'd be nowhere for it to lose its energy to. And the cut off would probably have negative effects on the materium as well.

I like to think of the Immaterium like a little pond. All the little people with their emotions keeps the pond moving, and creates ripples that band together into tides. These tides, pushing this way and that, are the different Forces of Chaos. Now, the only problem is, if the Materium with the little emotion makers stops dripping into the warp, the tides would continue for a while, but without anything to continue the dripping/paddling, would eventually settle. At this point, all of the tides would no longer exist, because the pool is still.

So, the Warp, without a connection to realspace would revert to its original form as the immaterium. (a still and peaceful psychic realm, easily traversable by those still around capable of doing so)

In the old Necron codex, the C'tan planned to sever the Materium from the Immaterium. Doing this would destroy Chaos, as it would also render all life soulless (The Pariahs were referred to as the C'tan's next phase for the ideal of the galaxy for a reason).

However this fluff has been completely invalidated by the new codex, and as such no longer holds weight when used in a discussion.

Void__Dragon wrote:In the old Necron codex, the C'tan planned to sever the Materium from the Immaterium. Doing this would destroy Chaos, as it would also render all life soulless (The Pariahs were referred to as the C'tan's next phase for the ideal of the galaxy for a reason).

However this fluff has been completely invalidated by the new codex, and as such no longer holds weight when used in a discussion.

I agree. The new codex mentions the Dolmen Gates, which allow the necrons to break into the webway and use it for very short periods of time. If they were planning to break the connection between the warp and reality, then the gates would become useless. So the previous fluff about them cutting off reality from the warp probably isn't valid anymore.

Still haven't read that new one yet. So, Chaos is no longer created by psychic disturbance?

Regardless if the new Codex negates the Necron use of pylons to detach the materiums, chaos' reliance on emotions could still be defeated through nid nom noms, or any number of different ways, thus destroying Chaos, the Ctan, being all energy and what not, I am only aware of splitting the C'tan, not out and out destroying them (even if only in the theoretical).

Chaos cannot be destroyed, as long as life exists. The Warp is created by all living things. It's only the thoughts of sentient beings that create daemons and allow the existence of the Dark Gods in the first place.

Tadashi wrote:Chaos cannot be destroyed, as long as life exists. The Warp is created by all living things. It's only the thoughts of sentient beings that create daemons and allow the existence of the Dark Gods in the first place.

So, if you destroyed all living things would you not destroy chaos? Or at the very least destroyed all sentience?

If you wipe out sentient life, the Dark Gods could be fatally weakened. The Warp would revert to how it was before the War in Heaven. But you cannot destroy the Warp itself, because it parallels reality across the universe. Most of the Warp is the Formless Wastes, areas of pure, relatively stable, immateria due to the lack of sentient life in the inter-galactic voids.

CpatTom wrote:Still haven't read that new one yet. So, Chaos is no longer created by psychic disturbance?

No, the Necrons are no longer capable of cutting it off from real space.

Well I guess that in that case, Cadia just got swallowed by the eye of terror until GW comes up with a new reason why Cadia didn't get swallowed up by the Eye of Terror

Stupid retcon, being all new and different.

Thanks y'all for helping me sort this out.

King Pariah wrote:Well I guess that in that case, Cadia just got swallowed by the eye of terror until GW comes up with a new reason why Cadia didn't get swallowed up by the Eye of Terror

I think it's probably because it only covers the heartland of the ancient Eldar Empire.